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for the zillionth time Jo: show your PROOF. I have seen zero evidence that Duane was a trained parachutist. I think you are posting a wish as a fact. Duane never received Ranger training. Duane never made a parachute jump. You just wish that he had as it makes him a better Cooper candidate. You keep mentioning that he knew an aircraft mechanic and helicopter pilot. Big deal. It doesn't make him a jumper or 727 tech expert. Not even the pilots of the NWA 727 knew it could be jumped. I am being tough with you because you keep posting wishes as facts. Put up your evidence or stop extravagant claiming. 377 put your feet together bend at the knees slowly, straighten your legs quickly while simultaneously extending your feet towards tip-toes. Thats roughly how you jump! I believe most humans over the age of 3 have mastered that skill. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

You are absolutely correct. That is what Ckret said. Then an Mar 11/08 SafecrackingPLF stated in post #314: " There's a big difference between accepting facts from the FBI file, and challenging every one of them. Ckret specifically said "handles with no zipper". If anyone comes along and says otherwise, there should be significant reason other than what they think SeaFirst did." In addition the tying off of the bank bag consisted of passing rope 'through the handles' then tied to his waste. I have that description from several sources. I dont have a photo of a comparable bag at my disposal but can provide one later - jeez Georger - are you having comprehension problems - you have a vested interest and Jo says you aren't posting - you should obey your mistress Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Damn your a tease. I was expecting some juicy story about you sitting on it during the spin cycle Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

I wonder how many jumpers recognise that malfunction and its origins nowadays My guess is that Jo's more likely to know the answer than Orange! I have a photograph of a mate being given the Mae West award at the DZ - can't remember what it was for though. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

>>I don't believe in animal cruelty ------ Huh????? What part is difficult to understand? He's saying that: on the one hand, he believes that people should never be cruel to animals; but nevertheless, he does not believe that pets are the equivalent of human children, and he finds people who do treat their pets as though the pets were their human children to be rather odd. At least that's what I think he's saying. spot on thanks. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

i don't know your view but yes it is. As I see it there are to basic "starting points" depending on your stance. 1) Humans are at the top of the evolutionary chain, or 2) God made humans "special" I don't really care which viewpoint is used as the basis, it still leads on to the fact that in possibly all modern societies Human's have special rights and so while you can be punished for murdering a human, there is no concept of animal "murder" and the legal punishments are on a different scale - rightly so. To be fair some cultures and religions place certain animal species worth on par or above that of a human (Hindu's with cows). I don't believe in animal cruelty, but on the other hand I am left speechless by the number of people that I meet that are unable to separate their emotional/rational treatment of a pet from that of a human child. I find it deeply disturbing and honestly without wishing to offend bordering on mental illness when someone truly accepts and treats a pet cat or dog as a child of their own. I suppose with over population and endangered species you could feed indian children to bengal tigers - that might keep a few people happy and at least the tigers will be well fed. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

I thought the video was pretty damning that they were "buzzing" the whaling boat in a pretty intimidating manner, that is instilling fear. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Since as far as I can tell this is about the only response to the thread, I have replied to it. Andy's assertion that they are terrorists is correct, although I guess you could call them vigilantees just as easily. BBC had a short video of them and to be honest they were piloting their craft in an agressive manner and buzzing a much larger ship. How does a high speed, highly manouvarable craft get rammed by a large unweildy vessel? I think they cocked up with there aggressive manouvers and simply got run over - tough luck to them. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Isn't jumping a form of aviation? Focusing on the gear is interesting though. As a jumper I never questioned or looked at the gear on a retractable jumpship. Although the words "throttle back, brakes on" still gives me chills. Why would someone think about the gear setting? He knew about airspeed/altitude and flaps. A non-jumper would not care about altitude or airspeed and based on my experience with non-jumpers I would suspect they would tend to want lower rather than higher altitudes. Even a person with military SL experience would tend towards an exit altitude of 1-4 thousand feet as it would be their experience. My synopsis was that Cooper had jump experience. I suspect he shared my understanding that planes can't fly fast the gear down, and that this provided an upper air-speed limit. I also suspect that unless the terrain dictated the specific request for 10k this was "ego" driven. My logic for this is that my experience of jumping was a traditional 8k exit altitude (maybe the US was different don't know). With no reserve adding height above 2 or 3k gives no benefit, just colder, harder to determine position etc. I say 2 or 3k as that is 15-20 seconds before you bounce - which is plenty of time. Another thought - jumpers think in terms of AGL, pilots in terms of ASL. So the 10k was "damn we only ever get 10k on a good day at the DZ or at a Boogie", lets get the max from this trip. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

So it could be that it showed a partial understanding of aircraft and substantial knowledge of skydiving? A whuffo doesn't think that air hurts! BTW I picked 400 as a random high number - I don't know how fast you can go before it hurts/injures you, I also don't know what the aircraft manuals would state as far as a maximum gear up speed is. Maybe it goes full circle to the loadmaster argument? Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Farflung - jumpers don't care about the landing gear - well other than on small Cessna type aircraft where you stand on the wheel during exit - and from personal experience it is not funny when the pilot forgets to put the brakes on! It is one thing to jump from a plane, another to fall off it! My take on it is that it showed a lack of trust. If I understand correctly, you can't fly an airliner at high speed with the gear down without causing damage. Cooper would not have known the airspeed at altitude and would not have wanted to exit at 400+ knots. I see this as easy and verifiable insurance that he was at a "safe" exit speed. I can always tell when the gear is retracted as you hear the "kerchunk" etc - so you don't even need any indicator panels etc. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Maybe you've got a split personality and you're the other 1/2 of Jo By the way this thread has included most "forbidden" topics that get people banned and stir up heated debate - however it doesn't seem that Evolution has had a look in yet. Although judging by the frequency of a certain avatar (started by Georger - during the phase where he was Jo's pet baboon; do you think she liked spanking her monkey) we probably haven't evolved enough yet. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Jo, I don't like answering your posts as I feel like I am "feeding the troll". But your last post had a small section of interest. Are you alleging that 1) Tina gave Cooper a notebook/diary on the flight and that this is definitely THE Tina (not Tina Turner) 2) You still have this book in your possession and the mystical FBI gremlins have not made it go "poof"? I hope you'll prove me wrong and provide a straight answer to these questions - but I am not holding my breath as you've got a reputation to uphold Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Jo, That is very odd indeed. It has more the earmarks of a drug ripoff burglary than a Cooper cash burglary. Did Duane take drugs such as Cocaine? Did he ever sell drugs or broker deals? Did anyone think he did? Was anything in your freezer disturbed? It is a surprisingly frequent place for hiding valuable contraband and criminals know it. 377 Oh my gosh - I just put 2 + 2 together (and made 8). Remember how Ckret used to joke about FBI agents drinking Kool-aid? Remember Jo's comments about Duane stealing Kool-aid a couple of posts ago? ... Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

About 10 years ago we were screwing around at work - having a "discussion" with the good looking women in the adjacent office block by holding up notes scribbled on A3 paper. Anyway one of the guys got a phone number and ended up screwing this girl - it turned out she is the grand-daughter of a famous author. She used to regularly call this guy over and screw him in the ladies toilets. So they aren't that hard to fuck. He was a rare engineer cause he had "game" Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Jo I can guarantee you this: this hallowed thread will never see the bonfire. However I do believe this thread is pretty close to hitting the recycle bin. Besides you claimed about 6 months ago to have irrefutable proof that Duane was Cooper. I am to lazy to dig out the post - since you already KNOW the answer there is nothing left to learn - just the idle chit-chat waiting for you to get off your high horse and post the detail. high horse Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

It is pretty amazing that a strategy book over 2000 years old can contain so much "wisdom". The more I have thought about it the more I think that in general the US has become fixated on the last few pages on how effective "spies" are. I am pretty sure the US has the most effective and comprehensive surveilance systems that have ever existed. I don't wish for the US to fail but I was reading the book for business strategy but the more I got into it the more I was nodding my head and thinking of Iraq/Afganistan. A number of years ago I worked with a guy who had quite strong opinions about asymetric warfare and that in essence the more powerful the US got the more likely it was that it would be subjected to asymetric warfare methods - where primarily the enemy does not follow the "rules of war". I have forgotten most of what he said but he firmly believed that the "stronger" the US got the more likely it was to ultimately fail. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Cool glad to know your ok.

Hi All, Just hoping that Andy is ok as I noticed the same name in a news article. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/8435468.stm? Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

I'd rather walk through a full body scanner where the operator is not touching me, than have some block feeling me up - and lets face it to do a proper body search they need to "touch" everywhere. Now if the choice is a hot woman then in all honesty it would put some fun back into travel. I don't get the "privacy" concerns. Is a black and white image REALLY that indecent? Let's face it how erotic is a black and white image of a mans goods squished into a pair of under-rods, or a womens tits squished into a bra? Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

Being holidays and wanting a break I decided to read Sun Tzu's Art of War. What intrigues me is this is a book that was written 2600 years ago, and yet it appears that the USA has lost sight of the basic "logical" thought that is laid out. I have singled out the USA as I believe in the UK our strategy and involvement is largely that of subordinate/support for the US and we would not be in either Afganistan or Iraq if the US was not there. There are to many points of interest, where I feel that the US is "ignoring" basic principles to itemize them all but the following extract seems as good a place as any. The above list of 5 "sins" that a defeated general usually exhibits at least one. I see the US as guilty of items 1,3,4 and 5. I would be interested in other opinions - but based on this book (which I believe is still used as a basic military strategy guide) I believe that we will ultimately be defeated in both Iraq and Afganistan. In case you haven't read it the link is The Art of War Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

You do take an account that we're not talking of a few joints here, we're talking about NINE POUNDS of heroine? Firstly yes I understand the quantity involved. Secondly you assume that I feel that drug peddling is "morally" wrong. I have met people who have used "hard" drugs and yet they were (and still are) very successful in life and they are in all walks of life (lawyers, doctors and engineers). As I see it making drugs illegal solves nothing as you appear to get two personality types - those who get addicted to substances and those who don't. We have neighbors whose lives have been destroyed by substance abuse - the brother through heroin, and the sister through Vodka. Why is the heroin illegal and the Vodka not? To answer your second point (and taking into account Lawrocket's opinion) whether the death penalty is right or wrong ANY persons life is worth more than 30 minutes consideration - it is simply not enough time to provide a considered and deliberated approach. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

My bike is very similar to that, they are quite nice, alot more comfy than the modern "super-sports" and certainly quick enough. My bike (Yamaha) is a 2002 model and has 35k miles on the clock - I have put the last 20k on it with alot of abuse (I am not mechanical and it gets serviced/fixed when it sounds odd). Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

No China was wrong. I have no problem with the death penalty for pre-meditated murder, but definately not for drugs. According to the BBC article I read there was only a 30 minute trial with no appeals process to follow - this makes it doubly wrong in my opinion. I am not sure that the mental illness claim is correct as apparantly there is no record of any problems in the UK and I find it hard to believe that nothing would be known. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

I haven't stalked or been stalked but I do know a true situation. The office manager where I worked was quite hot and one of the engineers (Shah?) got the hots for her. He continually harassed her, sent her pics of himself wanking from the toilets/phoned her while he was wanking/followed her home at night. It scared the hell out of her and she was convinced that he would rape her. He was sacked and a restraining order put in place - but she was terrified for about a year after he was gone. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.