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I would think the FAA's answer will be about free falling bodies and aircraft intersecting in and around clouds..... think of that clear blue sky with white puffy clouds and a guy flying along working on IFR with his hood on not looking out the windshield for falling bodies or parachutes. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Yep that blue one in mine. I just took a guess based on your photo, I did go look at my or the P-manual. It's a nice looking hc you got. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Can't tell for sure but that looks like a Rodriquez Parachute Systems "rod's rebel"..... at least it sure looks like mine. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

You've gone and done it now, what happened to the license agreement about keeping this hushed up? We've been using ours now for two full seasons, but we had to mod ours to a aircraft based launched units, we got two now and our video sales have tripled in volume the editing is so fast! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Not in the USA, as far as I know. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Facebook page shut down...... check

yea mine was too, you got to man handle it in the container to get the cones in to pin them.... now that I got a jumbo 27 ft PC and a new container, I like the larger size PC........ you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

First paragraph on the first link above the quoted text. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CitizensForQuietSkies/message/27 Kimberly Gibbs -- with Citizens for Quiet Skies you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CitizensForQuietSkies/message/27 Just in case anyone was flying by there.... Morning, noon & nite Her little yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CitizensForQuietSkies/messages you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Why yes it dose seem to have been taken down seems that ....Ms. Kimberly Gibbs -- with Citizens for Quiet Skies, likes to bitch a lot but can't take the heat in the kitchen and like Elvis, has left the building..... Damn the fun was just starting! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I don't call her a bitch for voicing her point of view, I would call her a bitch for having that look on her face in the photo, she just looks like a bitch and based on the news stories and her own words, I would in fact have to say she, Kimberly Gibbs -- with Citizens for Quiet Skies, is in fact a bitch. Now she lives in Dade City, Look out Dolphin and Z-hills next thing you'll know she will be after you too, then the rest of FL. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

They claim on the FB posting and news stories that has nothing to do with the noise complaints. But I'm with ya here, I'm sure there is an agenda. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

http://www.timescall.com/news/longmont-local-news/ci_19517981#idc-cover https://www.facebook.com/pages/Citizens-For-Quiet-Skies/213188222077598 The chick in this story has a major issues with mile high skydiving, she's a hater! (and taking notes on other dz's in the us) Not only is she a nutcase, her and most her followers are clueless on how the national airspace system works and who is in charge of rule making and standards. This is a great example of how one or two very misinformed people can cause a lot of problems for people in wasted time and money by a business and by the city/FAA to deal with them. And you guys thought farmer Mcnasty was bad. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

No I speak from the the perspective of someone who lives in a place where the shit is every where and it a big joke to hear that line of BS. It's even more funny when people are going broke and losing farms and yet there is a crop on their land the county sprays to kill and the government used to pay them to grow it so pilots could bail out and have oil to burn and rope for the boats and hangings. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

search much? Most every thing your asking about has been covered a number of times on this forum and with a little bit of searching around in here you should be able to find those answers or at least get up to speed on the current formats, lens, etc. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

While your history lesson on how wild hemp "ditch weed" is now found, currently growing all over KS, MO, NE, IA and a few other areas is correct, I have to find fault with your statement of: Having lived in a wild hemp producing state all my life, we have never had anyone, ever, busted for harvesting ditch weed, the only people who get busted for picking wild hemp are collage kids from out of state who don't know it's bunk as hell and some farmer's wife see them stop on the side of the road to pick it and calls the cops on um. All this bullshit about major drug dealers coming to our state to harvest in bulk wild hemp to thin out and product more profit is a total lie spread by L.E. to justify the wasted millions in drug war monies. Not only has there never been any major bust of these so called drug king pins who show up here to bulk harvest it..... the fact of the matter is, no self respecting bulk weed dealers are going to do that shit because the whole name of the game is SALES! Who in the hell would buy from you again if your selling bunk ass over seedy wild hemp mixed in with your good shit.... NO ONE would do that and your dealing days would soon end due to lack of buyers and a reputation for selling shit weed that don't get you high. And besides that, any real weed users could spot ditch weed over real weed just from seed content and how different the leafs look on the hemp strain compared to high grade pot and if you couldn't..... how many joints or bowls of that shit are you going to toke up when all it dose is make your head hurt before calling your dealer up to bitch. Where I jump the shit is every where, right on the DZ, as in step outside the club house and there it is next to the building and lining the fence around the ghetto, and all along the roads and fields/acres of the shit. I always find it funny how the farmers are going broke these days and yet there is a crop they could harvest for fibers, bio fuels, and hemp oil production, just like in the war days, and we made a lot of shit out it, in fact hemp was a major player in winning the war... yet the current government policies is to spray harmful shit on it to try to kill and that fails time and time again, so now they have to put up signs on the river about not eating the fish due to all the nasty man made shit in the water.... remember it's ditch weed, where dose the runoff go? (in the water supply) The United States imports all of it's industrial hemp from other countries while keeping the growth and harvesting of our own national supply of FREE industrial hemp is illegal under federal and state law. The attached photo is just down the road from the dz, note the cluster of wild hemp. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

206's come with both type of doors depending on model, the cargo model is the one with the aft door, the PAX model has a standard door. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Or start smoking, so you'll smell the same as your gear. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

When you lose that many friends and family in one deal, it makes a lasting, lifetime impression on you. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Maybe you've heard of selection.com........ you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

yep, Moriarity was on the load. Short of the story is the beech fell over on it's back tail first and then spun in nose down and impacted, all but one guy died. On dec.5th 1981 N8185H crashed as it turned to final for a demo into Aloha Stadium, came to rest 300yds off the bow of the U.S.S. Airzona in 3 1/2 ft. of water. Deceased: Byron Black 50 DZO D-4968 Danny Black 20 Pilot of A/C, C-13740 Bobby Black 25 D-5304 Ira "aquaman" Allan 29 William "Moriarity" Burr 43 Randy Cordes 31 C-9092 Steve Harold 21 C-14913 Charles Knaeble 29 D-5329 James Lathrop 31 James "whitey" whiting 33 C-5595 SCS # 20 and founder of "party in paradise" Roy A. Zinna 27 D-6585 lone survivor: Mike Salmons bailed out 500 ft. or lower you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

85 Hotel. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

You mean the load stall.... yes I remember it. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

What many skydivers sadly fail to understand about an airport access cases, is that they think it is a local issue and if it's not in their area it has no effect on them or their place to jump. When in reality, it is about the national airspace as a whole, if it can happen in one place it can happen else where, and we see that all the time. Currently there are 12 open cases in the USA, this case is #4 on the list from what I've been told. That means there are 3 other cases that have been going on longer then this one, this is 3 yrs. old. Many people (jumpers) fail to understand just how long the process is when you have morons running the show on an airport board and city hall, remember the old saying "you can't fight city hall". Just ask Rich Grimm, Tsunami Skydivers or Pat Garcia, Skydive Sacramento, about how much money and time they have had to invest in into their cases. (a hell of a lot!) Too often the fight is too costly or too long and a dz folds, ask Jim Crouch, albeit I bet the new place is nice and better & without as much harassment. But how much did it cost him to close up and move a 30 or 40 yr old dz? Sometimes it's not worth the fight in the long run of the pocket book or time line to keep your business afloat, this is a tough business to be in to start with. Skydivers all over the USA owe a great deal of thanks to Mr. Pat Garcia @ Skydive Sacramento for forking over large sums of money (over 25K) to take his case to the part 16 level and dealing with harassment for over 4 yrs. He won a huge one on behalf of all skydivers and deserves our full support. http://www.uspa.org/AboutUSPA/USPAinAction/USPAAirportAccessWins/tabid/547/Default.aspx The other part of all this many fail to understand is the most important player in all of these cases..... Mr. Randy Ottinger @ USPA GovRelations@uspa.org and his ongoing efforts on behalf of all skydivers & skydiving operators, this is most likely hands down the most important job @ USPA HQ, this man has done a great deal of things to keep us in the air and to reduce the over all cost to operate jump aircraft, he is a huge asset to our association. Every member of USPA owes this man a great deal, send him a thank you note and gift card for X-mas or a jump ticket @ Jim Crouch's dz. Another issue we have to deal with is the anti skydiving people among our own ranks, those who spout off at the mouth about where skydiving belongs and where it should take place. These dzo's can also be FBO's and enjoy the use of the same type of airspace,http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3693965#3693965 class E airspace, yet they seek to harm others who wish to enjoy & exercise the same rights as those dzo's. These DZO's even show up to city hall meetings and or call & write airport boards to advise them on how to help run off the new guy, because they don't want anyone "in their market". http://ci.harrisonville.mo.us/archives/31/020606%20Minutes.pdf http://www.ci.harrisonville.mo.us/archives/31/022106%20Minutes.pdf So as we see it's not always as easy as just trying deal with just City Hall & and handful of morons in the local community or on the local airport board, when there are other forces within the industry working against the betterment of the sport by spreading lies and misinformation and trying to unravel the many hours and USPA membership dues money spent, that USPA's government Relations office has invested geared towards the betterment of the sport for all of skydiving. Your question was: Those who truly wish to help an access fight can do many things to help out, first and for most is give your money to the USPA AAD fund and learn how it really works, many jumpers are clueless how it works, however without that fund, guys like Pat Garcia would have had to spend another 9K on his part 16 case, a major victory for all of skydiving. The other things jumpers can do is to write polite and well worded truthful letters to the news paper stories, as number of you already have, and to write to the Cities where access cases are being fought to express your support of the FAA approved aeronautical activity, skydiving. Another good thing to do is to support the local businesses that support the skydiving operators, wal-mart don't care, but mom & pop stores do care, spend your money there and let them know your from the DZ, fill up your gas tank before leaving town, even if you only need a little, buy gas, food, beer & lodging on the local level, be sure to let the locals know if your from out of town, let them know how much you enjoyed your visit to their town. Most of all show respect to the local pilots and other airport users and keep in check your stupid human tricks. Read and understand the FAR's and airport compliance. Advisory Circular 105.2d Sport parachuting http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%20105-2D.pdf FAA order 5190.6B airport compliance manual http://www.faa.gov/airports/resources/publications/orders/compliance_5190_6/ Advisory Circular 150/5190-6 Exclusive rights at Federally-Obligated Airports http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/3df9402e6cae52048625725d00699cb2/$FILE/150_5190_6.pdf Advisory Circular 150/5190-7 Minimum standards for commercial aeronautical activities http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/advisory_circular/150-5190-7/150_5190_7.pdf Advisory Circular 90-66A: Recommended Standard traffic patterns & practices for aeronautical operations @ airports without operating control towers http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/74c9017c9457e4ab862569d800780551/$FILE/AC90-66A.pdf The thing to keep in mind, is skydiver are our one worst enemy a great deal of the time in our actions & comments and you MUST keep it in check and remain professional at all times in your dealings with city leaders and the FAA. (not always easy to do) In the very near future there will a "notice of proposed rule change" issued by the FAA, all the public are free to comment on that and we as skydivers need to do so to make our voices heard in a educated and professional manner, if you can not handle doing that, then keep quite. When this NOPRC is issued you will know & hear about it. Again if your going to write, call or email anyone, be respectful, truthful, factual & polite! http://www.ci.lawrence.ks.us/commissioners Mailing address: City Hall, PO Box 708, Lawrence, KS 66044 Mayor: Aron E. Cromwell aroncromwell@gmail.com Bob Schumm schummfoods@gmail.com Michael Dever mdever@sunflower.com Hugh Carter hughcarter@sunflower.com Mike Amyx mikeamyx515@hotmail.com you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

What have here is a group of people who want to try to play both sides of the coin. This FBO, Mr. Hetrick is on the public record, more then once stating to the City and airport board, he would stand to lose a great deal of fuel sales and skydiving operations would drive away the rest of the traffic. And he has made many claims along with the City that there is just too much traffic @ KLWC to allow skydiving operations there. These claims have been made repeatedly to the FAA by the city. Yet according to this news story written on Tuesday, May 31, 2011, that starting in 2008 the traffic has dropped off to "emptier skies over Lawrence". As you can clearly see they are trying to have it both ways. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2011/may/31/rising-aviation-fuel-prices-contribute-emptier-ski/ The city was asked to grant landing rights under FAR 105.23B on May 6th 2009. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo