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You might if that look made you the kind of money it's made Steven. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

It was a few posts back... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Big drunken bash at his house with free beer and free jumps for his 37th wedding anniversary coming up on the 25th.... Gee who would have thunk it! Congrats to you both and many more.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

naw, stick with top mounted, more exciting that way.... besides that it's small, so what the big deal with it up there... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Been at least one base jumper because of it and a good deal of close calls to skydivers, just look at the list in video forums. So it's a matter of time as long as people keep thinking as you do. Hey it's small, no big deal Plain and simple your wrong on that, people are point out stupid actions of people who think it's small no big deal and posting the proof on facebook, all the info in the sims was written in blood and is there for good reason. If you think other wise and some asshat dzo is will to allow you to do that , go ahead and if you frap in or bust your ass, don't come crying here about or asking for jumpers to help pay your medical bills, also don't be surprised to read posts saying "we tried to tell XYZ dumdass", there is a whole forum full of people who didn't heed the lessons of those before. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Can't say for sure, seem like when I jumped Skips it was a 40 max load heard at manifest, but I didn't count heads. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

No it was my misunderstanding,on the process. I thought he had an STC already and only needed a 337 done, and I thought that was a field approval. I miss understood your post. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

A 3 should hold 40 jumpers and would require the belts, if it's got a cargo floor it should be no problem building the belts but it cost some bucks to do in hardware. Also a 3 is more then 12500 LBS and can no longer be operated on part 91 I don't recall the part it's now required to operate under 121? I don't think it's 135 unless doing commercial op's and I can't see too many 135 dc-3 running around due to the cost to maintain a 3 to 135. I've been wonder the same thing and have not look in to it more..... YET. There a some turbine 3's in my woods. Skip Evens in Perris is the only one I know who still operates a 3, but I think Larry Hill still has one too? And they would be your best contact for info on dc3 operations in today world. http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/6/0/1358061.jpg you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

me too, I use it all the time for images out side of skydiving. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

He already has an STC for his current fleet, he needs to fill out and file a 337 for field install of the door, that requires a sign off on the paperwork by a FAA inspector from the FSDO. Lance is trying to make sure all his I's are dotted and T's crossed so he can submit the paperwork to the FAA, after the work is done and paper work done by an A&P. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Keep it simple stupid! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

No more like when I take my 4yr old to play group and one of the mom's who don't use a cover when breast feeding has her tit hanging out and a baby nursing, if you never point out that fact that there is an exposed tit, the kid never asks, it's all normal activity to them and they go on about their business of playing. The only reason to not point out a small camera is the geek factor, the reason the camera would be hidden in a chest mount pillow is too reduce any and all snag hazards & so other assholes can't claim it's a snag hazard and we're going to start killing FJ students because they have a camera strapped to them and calling up USPA and bitching, not to lie or be deceptive to students. If you tested in real world most FJS's would be clueless of the small round lens poking through the cloth of the pillow IMHO. As I said my only concern with such an idea is how to keep morons from geek'n the damn thing, we already have enough dipshits flying around the skies with their head up their asses, hence the not making big deal of it or stating "here is your radio and camera package, make sure you look here and talk to the video on the way down, have a good jump! Now, if and when I build one and test it on non students or place one on a tandem (like when I get current with a experienced jumper, first) I might find out the point of view sucks ass and change my mind, but right now, I could see such a system working and being safe, at lease a hell of a lot safer then most the clowns currently running around with them strapped to their heads at 50 jumps or less like we see all over youtube and posted here. And quite frankly, I'm surprised no one is not already doing it and I would not be surprised to learn someone else hasn't thought of the same application & or not tried it or going to try it. Besides that, what about all the talk about pushing the limits and those who did have got us to where we are today..... It's the same thing, only different.... Hell, I remember everyone up in arms because the DZO was going to let me start jumping my own, owned paracommander on my second jump, ya had to have 50 t-10 jumps because it's too high performance! you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

We don't use AAD's or RSL's, we just cut out little photocopies of cyprus ads and place them in the window and for rsl's we us gutted 550 jesus strings.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Where did I say I would lie? I said I wouldn't bring it up, not pointing it out is not telling a lie. I also never said we don't use radios, did I. Maybe you should try reading first and not try putting words in my statements and calling me lier. What I said is in regards to radio, is I don't teach it class because the students retain the canopy course better. In a lot of years I have seen a great deal of people who show up thinking they can half ass it because "you'll be talking us down right". I want my students to know WTF to do with out a radio, it works maybe you should try it. The design I'm thinking about and have tried to explain, is where the camera is hidden in the pillow that the radio is strapped too, and only the lens will be poking out.... I also said I have not made one yet. I think it is easy to build a chest mount pillow camera holder, the pillow are full of foam, we currently use them for the radio and it would keep the thing hidden from view inside the pillow. As I said I would like to build one and test it on my tandem students first to see how many of them notice it. I think if it's done right not that big of a deal. The biggest concern is geeking the damn thing for a solo student. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

My thoughts were more for S/L jumpers, you would get a lot of their faces and comments from climb out, strut & deployment to ground. I could be wrong, I have not made a test unit yet. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

For the record, my thoughts were not to try to fool anyone, but I would not point it out, just like I train FJC's and never talk about having a radio till after they are done with the canopy control part of class and or when they get geared up, the students take in the info and retain it much better. So when I suit up someone and they ask, "what is this" we are placing on their chest strap, the reply is: it's your radio, they go ok, you'll be talking to us? Yes, but this could fail so you need to use the training you got in canopy control.... they are content and move along. Students are so over loaded at that point, very few notice the small lens embedded in the pillow next to the radio. I have not done this yet, it's a idea I have, I will test this on tandem students first, without a radio, just a chest pillow, I'm willing to bet 95% (or more) of people will have no clue there is small camera pointed up at them hidden in the pillow. With SL or AFF FJ's, if you point it out and tell them, 75% or more will be geeking the damn thing and flying around with their head up their ass, the proof of that is all the retards with low jump numbers who run out and strap on one of these and think nothing of it, see the list DSE put together. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Most won't, because the radio is contained there as well. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I don't, I want you guys to leave it alone and keep it a recommendation only, because I'm going to start using go pros for all my first jump students, mounted into all the old Alti chest mount pillows we got laying around ( we use wrist mounts) the cameras will be inside the pillows and only the small lens will be sticking out and the pillows will be on the chest strap just like we did when we used alti's there back in the day. No snag's to worry about. And every first jump student get's a video, were going to tell them it's a radio so they won't geek the thing.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

That reminds me of my visit to the farm and tandem guy's son (can't remember his name) went to make a run for the dz @ midnight..... pulls up to the drive thru... May we take your order? Yea I need 75 cheese burgers, 20 big macs and 40 large cokes..... That was one big ass order he came back with. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Please tell us more, if you can. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

That would be a good thing to have on the public record for all the other people down the road. I hope he wins and I wish the FAA would stop goofing off and enforce the current regulations for everyone, it;s a nice pipe dream though.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I can't answer that question, not my dz. you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

No were talking 280 size, maybe a 260 tight fit? you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

Yep, and I got a couple older then that taffeta (sp) Yes They always are your a lawyer, figure it out on your own.... Yes & Yes Normally it would go into a large older style vintage H&C, however if your Javelin is large enough it might fit, were talking large student size.... You could get an old used student rig or old tandem rig for cheap and build a rig on 3 rings and square reserve for it. There are ways to jump it. The lady selling it is a lady who has grown up in the sport and is related to some well know jumpers, I highly doubt she would sell it if it was unairworthy. The listing has expired, she said she might list it again in the skydiving section, if there is an honest interest in it she gave me a contact email for those who might be interested. I would be if my wife wouldn't kill me... I have enough already.... you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo

I'll go there. It's easy to forget ( I've done it) that a part 13 informal complaint is, well informal and more or less like a mediation process, more or less it's showing the courts the party tired to get compliance via talks mediated through the FAA and when all that fails, you move onto a part 16 formal complaint As a side note, (also east to forget) a part 13 case, the FAA (as I understand it) will not issue a ruling, but they will make a determination as to an airport sponsors compliance or not. The most important thing that is sometime forgotten about a PT 13, is it's open ended and there is no time limit for the FAA to make a determination on an informal complaint. Maybe this is why they filed to the next level??? Regardless of all that, Scott, your post is pretty much right on and sums it up. I do know one thing, all this bullshit will make your head spin trying to keep track of all the rules and subsections in the guidance, more so if your knee deep in the pile. http://www.faa.gov/airports/airport_compliance/complaints/ you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo