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1966 - Port of Portland selects Sky Chefs, Inc. to operate the restaurant and bar service at Portland Air terminal from 5 bidders. http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=peVVAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EuEDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4742,4161005&dq=sky+chef&hl=en but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I get it. But hey, with a phrase like this one: "She offers to light the cigarette for him. The matchbook he has is blue. The words Sky Chef are on the cover. He leans in close as she flicks the cardboard stick against the strike pad and watches the sulfur fizzle into flame." "Want one?" He holds out the pack. Why not? Tina takes a butt and sticks it in her mouth. She lights it." (Taken from Skyjack: The Hunt for D.B. Cooper by Geoffrey Gray pg 57 on Nook book edition) Maybe he was too busy coming up with that sulfury fizzling image to include the "s" on Sky Chefs. I just can't get over that he only gave her a butt and not a whole cigarette. Maybe that's why he felt compelled to offer her a stack of bills. For being so stingy with the cigarettes. But I'm a cynical ol hunkette and got my own back-of-the-brain niggling suspicions about Tina's role in all of this so I guess i need to shut up before I get major flamed. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

So now I've got two songs to try and get out of my head. The Brady Bunch and Spongebob Squarepants. Thanks guys.

TomKaye said Thanks for the post and thanks to you and team for all of your work. Looking forward to your report. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it also true that anything on the tie being related to Dan Cooper at all is pure speculation? IOW, Unless this evidence has been or can be tied in with any other evidence known to be related to Cooper, it's still only an assumption that this was his tie. Maybe a logical assumption, but still just an assumption. Is that an accurate statement? Does anyone know if there was anything (other than where the tie was found) that led to this being labeled as his tie? Was it ever identified by any of the witnesses as being on his person? Or did they ckeck on recent previous passengers seated in that area to see if they lost a tie? I know they clean up between flights - but unless they were a lot more fastidious in their cleaning in 1971 than now that's not saying much.

Yeah, I saw that. The one that was particularly interesting to me was the Red Cross inert dynamite. Edited to say - can't really tell if it's red or not. Apparently that brand was popular in agricultural settings. There's even a handbook for farmers. "How to use Red Cross dynamite" put out by Dupont, in the early 1900s. http://www.scribd.com/doc/33290335/How-to-use-red-cross-dynamite-Du-Pont-farmer-s-handbook-USA-1912 It was just taking forever to download so I didn't see a pic of the real thing. I guess it's a moot point anyway since whatever it was seemed to have worked like a charm for what it was intended to do, huh? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

hmmmmmm. Well first, we both mentioned flares, but aside from that.... So obviously there has never been any dynamite made with red wrappers?? I have no idea, but that just sounds so absolute. How would he know that I wonder? Keep in mind TM said the same red as her uniform - we spent weeks on that! Like this flare - Yeah I know, weeks, but humor me for a minute

hmmmmmm. Well first, we both mentioned flares, but aside from that.... So obviously there has never been any dynamite made with red wrappers?? I have no idea, but that just sounds so absolute. How would he know that I wonder? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

That was funny. He had me at power + sex. Lost me at one inch thick. Got me again at airplane ready so I don't knock over my drink. Hey, I'm just so wanta want one. Until he lost me again at $2599 and $3499. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Not arguing with you Blevins. I'm not a scientist either, but prior to Georger's post, Orange1 posted this.... This is much like what I found when I looked it up. The way i read it is sponge in an intermediary process between raw material and alloy creation that allows for the fabricated metal used in Aerospace (read Boeing) industry. My point is bringing it up is the first place was that Gray wrote that the tie which may or may not have been Cooper's contained titanium sponge, according to Tom kaye. Then there is further speculation in the book as to potential sources of titanium sponge. Aerospace (read Boeing) industry was mentioned as well as a paint chip. My thought was: being it was sponge, could it have come from the flare/dynamite/red stick that comprised the "bomb". As opposed to the aerospace (read Boeing) industry. Or Sherwin Williams, or a titanium plant in Albany, Oregon. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Yeah, it says "END-USE" statistics. How does that contradict what Georger said? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I thought that was interesting also. I've read of titantum sponge being used in fireworks - which is why I mentioned in an earlier post whether it could have come from the flares or whatever was used in the "bomb". Thought someone would have agreed or disputed that idea by now, but, alas, no takers..so glad you brought it up again. Also btw...if anyone recalls...was the color of the sticks the only reason that it was assumed to be a fake bomb or were there other reasons? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

A simple search of the word "dial" brings up 27 posts by Skyjack71. In many, you are lamenting the fact that you can't see maps, Sluggo's site, open attachments, things went poof, yada, yada, yada. WHY? Because you "have dial up". When people try to help you, you always have an excuse as to why they will have to pry your dialup connection from your cold dead hands. OK - no problem....but then you repeatedly ask people to send you this file, that picture, hard copy of this map or that dvd so you can see the things that are being discussed. Another of the myriad reasons that people tend to lose patience with you. You know...if you don't want to spring for a faster connection at home for whatever reason - you can always use the computer at your local library or senior center. Most only charge if you print off any material and it's likely you could ask for a senior discount for that. Or you can continue to be on the outside looking in with convenient excuses - while relying on the kindness of your internet pals to send you stuff. I don't know Jo, but seems to me -- if I was as distressed about not having time left to do all I want to do as you seem to be, AND I thought this forum or that web site is gonna help me find out what I want to know - I wouldn't be wasting any of that time fooling around on dialup. I'd get on a faster connection. But that's just me.. Or better yet ....get on a plane. Put the house on the market, find a nice senior subsidized apartment in Washington State or Oregon and spend the rest of your days in county courthouses. Cross country moves have been done by old folks, disabled folks, poor folks, and dumb blonde folks. Just takes a leap of faith and a little time. Or maybe just quit stressing about any of it and take up a new hobby.......skydiving maybe?

Ewww. That stinks And what about that keyboard (covered with lettuce and special sauce) that somehow?? keeps sticking. Actual question I posed to one of my friends (her floor you could eat off of - her computer looks like the condiment station at Burger King). Q: What should you have if stranded on a deserted island? A: Your laptop. There's enough food in there to keep you going for at least a week. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Second that on the faster connection. Jo, with everyone clamoring for your high speed internet business, I would imagine that you could find a faster speed for probably not more than $10 / month over what you are paying now - if you are paying $10.00 a month now. All you have to do is make sure that the price you lock into isn't an introductory rate that will go up in 12 months (or allow for that by figuring out a way to work it into your budget.) There are likely mini-satellite services in your area that - while maybe not as fast as broadband or dsl -- might still be faster than dial-up and not that much more expensive. Doesn't cost anything to look into, right? Or tell your family that's what you want for Christmas in September. A gift certificate for a year's worth of hi speed internet. Renewable every year. Have them take all of the junk gifts you might usually get from family members - divide the cost. A gift that keeps on giving. How cool is that? I give one of my relatives cell phone service every year - she keeps in her car for emergencies when she drives. (Just to the local places now - she quit driving long distances about 2 years ago - Hurts her knees to drive long distances after she fell on an icy step while taking some food to a sick neighbor). And her daughter gives her cable service every year. (My relative is in her mid 90s - gardens and cans food, volunteers at the local senior ctr, dances when her knee allows, works puzzles and reads voraciously - doesn't want a computer, but loves the game show network) Thought i'd add...her kids are more than willing to go and get her for long distance trips - especially to go see her twin sister who lives about 200 miles away. Her twin sister quit driving long distances about a year ago after getting stopped a couple of times for driving too slow on the interstate. Sometimes their brother volunteers to drive them places but he drives like a maniac, so they say.

I received a url from snowmman that shows what money looks like after water damage. Thought I'd share.... http://photos.signonsandiego.com/mutilated_money/86ca772127284aacb9cfb6b005576c67_1 The site doesn't say how long the money was submerged, however, Snowmman points out "this picture of water damaged currency shows how edge decomposition can be accelerated compared to the rest of the bill. And it makes sense to me that the effect would be uniform around the whole bill?" He also notes that we have no pics of the bills as found, and that the the Ingrams probably washed the bills off further debriding the edges. More pics from the site: http://photos.signonsandiego.com/mutilated_money/a0aea96ce5d54ab3a937644e341a41a8_1 I also found a pic that shows depression era money that had supposedly been buried and dug up. (The article is contradictory with the lead line so it's confusing as to whether it was actually buried or not - found in debris of shed that was torn down.) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,361404,00.html Towncraft #3 clip-on....$1.50 Airline ticket............$18.52 Money fragment.....$358.00 Hijacking a 727.........$200,000 Two mysteries in one.....Priceless but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I'll give my two cents on the money.

Jo, i think you misunderstood the article. The 15 day sentence was not in CA. As I referenced, the article was taken from the Rockford, Illinois newspaper and the county jail there is where he was sentenced to 15 days. In another article from the Rockford Morning Star in Rockford, IL, the judge said that the FBI would be notified of his whereabouts because he obviously violated the terms of his probation in California for forging and passing a US treasury check. As such, the judge anticipated that the FBI would come for Duane and take him back to CA. Unless you know otherwise, I would imagine this is exactly what happened and why he ended up back in CA in McNeil. An aside.....I hesitate to mention this as it will no doubt be discombobulating to anyone that doesn't realize that our McCoy would have only been around 2 years old at the time; but, another person arrested in that same article was one Richard McCoy, age 20 for contributing to the delinquency of a 15 yr old. Just thought it was a funny coincidence. And if anyone cares....Double Indemnity was playing at the Coronado, perms were 5.00, pepto Bismol was soothing and pleasant to the the taste, and the best thing you could do for your country was to save and turn in cans of used fat. (Now that was an interesting ad) but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I too enjoyed the book. I will admit that, although I'm glad that the FBI allowed the citizen scientists' access to certain items to investigate, I am a little disappointed that an official report has been so long in coming - Does this mean that we are waiting for a book by Tom Kaye? or is it because there were several adrenalin producing finds on the evidence that led nowhere? For example, the silver on the money turning out to be fingerprint residue, the pollen on the tie which could come from anywhere, the titanium sponge on the tie which Gray speculates could belong to the paint chip that was found or I speculate could have come from the flare or whatever was used to resemble dynamite. If indeed it was Cooper's tie. I'm certainly not criticizing. They put their time and energy into trying to come up with something specific on the evidence and deserve major kudos for that. But unless they are holding something back that Gray did not mention - which I will forever not understand considering the age of the case and the problems with prosecuting it if they did find Cooper alive - I've not seen anything from Kaye and company that warrants a lot of excitement. Just saying... Sure would like to see a report from the horse's mouth though. Maybe I'm missing something - wouldn't be the first time.

Hate to break up the love fest, but..... I keep trying to put Duane in a parachute for pity's sake, but all I seem to be able to do is put him in women's purses......... Retrieved from Rockford Register Republic (ILL) Tuesday, Dec. 5, 1944 pg. 5 "15 days for 5 dollars......Duane L. Weber, 22, Montebello, Cal., was sentenced to a 15-day jail term in County court yesterday afternoon for theft of $5 from the purse of Alice Chun at the Spot tavern last Nov. 26. Weber probably will be turned over to federal authorities upon completion of the sentence. He was placed on two-year probation in United States district court in San Francisco, Cal. last Sept 19 after he had pleaded guility to forgery of a U.S. treasury check." Could this be why he went to Mcneil...breaking probation on a US treasury check forgery charge?? I forget Duane's real birthdate, so the age might be off, but really...who else could it be?? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Mentally challenged or mind-altering chemicals? LOL. Farflung, I don't care what anyone else says ...you still make me laugh. And I'll have two of whatever you're taking. I know I've said it before and maybe you're already a world famous satirist who makes funny collages.....but on the off hand that you're not....you really oughta think about putting it all together and sending out to editors. I can see a book or a regular column in a magazine. "The World (and DB Cooper) According to Farflung". I subscribe to Texas Monthly (yeah i like cowboys) that used to have a regular columnist named Kinky Friedman. I loved his columns and you are every bit as fresh, funny, and sassy with the written word as he is. Hey, if he can keep a regular gig doing this....just saying.. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Warning: Totally off subject. Well...... kinda. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/10/scitech/main20090877.shtml?tag=strip What can I say?....my first thought was of Farflung. Not only did the article make me think of him, but I thought of all he could do with this article in his first anthology. Weber's Law...whoda thunk it... but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

So any other quick reviews for Geoffrey Gray's book? IOW......should I download it to my nook? The last book I bought on Cooper I got burned.....My own fault for not reading the description. Oh well...I've wasted $9.99 and 15 minutes on worse, I guess. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

This is kind of interesting too...... http://huntfordbcooper.com/spy-plane-searches-for-cooper but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

And just when you thought it was safe to go out..... http://huntfordbcooper.com/the-gregory-sketch but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

You're right Lurk. It has been done long ago. There are other forums out there. For example, there's the yahoo group - DB Cooper Research and the Norjack forum that (I think) Sluggo set up. Several people from here post on there occassionally. A couple more web sites too that I'm not remembering off the top of my head. Google would know, I'm sure. I think it's just a matter of signing up? I follow the other sites, but personally, I like it here. Hunky, hinky, haughty, histrionic, heteroclite, hircine, halcyon, hedonistic, hyperbolic, healthy, and hebetudinous. Yep we've got all those "adjectives that start with an H" ...and more....but, as Frankie said...."That's Life". I just skip over what tires me out. BTW: I don't know if he's had time to update it lately, but I always like to tout Sluggo's website. It is a great place for info, transcripts, maps, and such. .......Plus he always waves when he passes my way :) but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill