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I'd even be a little less skeptical if someone could put LD in a parachute. I know some say that DB coulda been a total whuffo with a lot of confidence or maybe even a death wish. I'm not buying it. That's why I'm always on the lookout for chute connections for contenders. I know, but there are worse ways to pass the time. I just have the gut feeling that this wasn't DB's first rodeo in a chute.....Let's see I'm gonna hijack a plane by jumping out of it with a parachute through that door back there....which might or might not open in mid air....even though I've never been in a chute before. Ah who cares......life's not worth living anyway and baby needs new shoes. Instead of a free flight to Mexico, I'll ask for a parachute - if I make it that will be a plus. I just don't buy it. So can anyone put LD in a chute? Actually, it would be interesting to know if any of the folks that actually hijacked a plane and left with a parachute DID NOT have some type of experience with a chute. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe in order to be a hijacker anyway you gotta have the kind of cojones or desperation that would also permit you to jump out of a plane without any type of previous training. You know like "it goes on like this and you pull this cord". Or maybe I'm just putting too much drama into the jumping out of a plane thing. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

First - whether the FBI puts stock in the test or not - It's pretty much a known quantity that polygraphs and the people who administer and rely on the results are fallible. Period. This is one of the reasons I would hesitate to take one that lasted any amount of time - even if I were telling the truth. Simply put - I wouldn't trust it or that the people using it might not have an agenda. Period. Credibility - that's a strong statement - Is she more credible than the witnesses who were there? Or is she more credible than Lyle or Jo or whoever? What exactly does that statement mean? Maybe Marla has been guilty of putting words in their mouth -- cause you have to admit she also has an agenda here. But I might be wrong. Second - Though I am skeptical of certain things that she has said, I don't think I said that Marla is lying - and if I did, mea culpa. My point about passing a polygraph was that she might well believe what she is saying, is convinced that it happened - but that does not prove that it actually happened - just that she believes it did. Take 40 year old memories of an eight year old, spice that up with reading thousands of pages of information (from this forum alone even) about DB Cooper, take an actual event (LD got hurt doing something on Thanksgiving day - maybe he got in a fight and Marla did see blood on a shirt), add in talk about hijacking at the Cooper house (it was on the news, after all - maybe Marla did hear them talking about a hijacking), add in a father who had (to paraphrase Marla) a vivid imagination, add in a strong sense of civic duty, add in motivation and opportunity for publicity for a book (or a cosmetic line) to help all the veterans. You might come up with a scenario where you have someone who believes everything she is saying. Doesn't make it true. Just saying - the mind is a funny thing. I have remembered events that turned out to be totally false from another person's point of view - mixing up separate occurrences and dates with others. Hey I'll be the first one to say I was wrong and you go girl if they come back with some fingerprints or she finds a twenty dollar bill in the attic. In other words, my friend, I just want the case solved with more than an eight year old's 40 yr old "memories" and a picture (just what color are his eyes?) - no matter what that eight year old looks like now or how credible she comes across. Just sayin....Tina and Company should be the only hot chicks in this production that matter.

If we're talking about Marla instead of Carla - I'm sorry but who performed the polygraph? Where? What were the actual times started and stopped? When? What type of polygraph? What type of questions? Post the validated/certified results of a certified, licensed polygrapher? Sorry but I would trust the results of a 5.5 hour polygraph a lot less than I would one that takes 1 hour. Operator fatigue, subject fatigue, bladder control, ....there's a whole bunch of reasons that doesn't make sense. Besides...I would think that polygraphs are not admissible in some areas for a reason. Plus even if they did work 100% of the time, they are only validating what she believes she saw and heard, or has otherwise convinced herself -- whether consciously or subconsciously or through really creative dreams -- that what she might have seen or heard is the truth. It does not have to be the actual truth of what actually occurred or did not occur. But that's just me.... http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2935/how-accurate-are-lie-detector-tests And an excerpt from here (footnotes removed here for clarity): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph Polygraphy has also been faulted for failing to trap known spies such as double-agent Aldrich Ames, who passed two polygraph tests while spying for the Soviet Union. Other spies who passed the polygraph include Karl Koecher, Ana Belen Montes, and Leandro Aragoncillo....... Polygraph examination and background checks failed to detect Nada Nadim Prouty, who was not a spy but was convicted for improperly obtaining US citizenship and using it to obtain a restricted position at the FBI. The polygraph also failed to catch Gary Ridgway, the "Green River Killer". Ridgway passed a polygraph in 1984 and confessed almost 20 years later when confronted with DNA evidence. Conversely, innocent people have been known to fail polygraph tests. In Wichita, Kansas in 1986, after failing two polygraph tests (one police administered, the other given by an expert that he had hired), Bill Wegerle had to live under a cloud of suspicion of murdering his wife Vicki Wegerle, even though he was neither arrested nor convicted of her death. In March 2004, a letter was sent to The Wichita Eagle reporter Hurst Laviana that contained Vicki's drivers license and what first appeared to be crime scene photographs of her body. The photos had actually been taken by her true murderer, BTK, the serial killer that had plagued the people of Wichita since 1974 and had recently resurfaced in February 2004 after an apparent 25 year period of dormancy (he had actually killed three women between 1985 and 1991, including Wegerle). That effectively cleared Bill Wegerle of the murder of his wife. In 2005 conclusive DNA evidence, including DNA retrieved from under the fingernails of Vicki Wegerle, demonstrated that the BTK Killer was Dennis Rader. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

?? Why would Hannah need a tech background (in what?) to transcribe English words from a recorded conversation between the co-pilot and a private detective? How do we know that the person that transcribed the original logs had a technical background? I'm thinking now of medical transcribers and legal transcribers - Most now have a course in terminology - but knowing how to spell something and even its definition is still a long way from knowing what it means in context, but they transcribe all day long. ETA_ Okay - we must have cross - posted. I see what you were getting out now - but I'd still bet the conversation was pretty generic since it was between a pilot and lay person (for want of a better word)? Plus one might even assume that transcriptions are signed off on after review (yeah, right) Besides - I'm sure someone on here would be more than happy to ask the guy if he said what she said he said.

I will also "pat myself on the back" as I have found the following facts. Does anyone else see the hidden message aimed toward smokin99 in Farflungs latest video homage. It is all so obvious, I can not believe I did not see it sooner. In the Gilligan's Island theme song, Smokin99's DZ Avatar is displayed for all to see while coincidentally (or is it?) the song croons out "Mary Ann". Does anyone see where this is going? Well....of course not...you need to see this old post (Sep 24, 2009, 11:25 AM Post #13117 of 29336) first to tie it all together. However looking back may be a waste of time (personal observation) so I condensed the source here: Snowmman asks the age old question - Ginger or Mary Ann. Farflung responds; ***....... PS- Mary Ann!! And he's so hunk(y). I'm swooning here. I'm just glad he didn't use the Brady Bunch theme song. He might have made me Jan.....that would've sucked...

I'm open-minded but skeptical regarding Marla's story. First, I'll have to admit that the picture of him was intriguing, but I quit paying close attention to Marla with her account of him having a Dan Cooper comic pinned to his wall. Where's evidence that he was able to read a comic book in French? OK - maybe he just liked the title, but then there's that idea that an 8 yr old would remember that when all that blood and hijacking talk was going on - I just don't see it. The comic book memory just seems to be too conveniently aligned to recent "finds". Got that hinky meter dial about to explode. So that said.....I would have to do some additional reading and construct a timeline to be sure ....but another one of my problems is that her statements (as reported by various news accounts) seem to fine-tune as she goes along. LD and Dewey left to go turkey hunting, yet she overheard them planning a hijacking and doing something with "expensive" walkie-talkies. I might be wrong (see disclaimer above) but seems I remember the walkie-talkie bit was added after the initial reports. Regardless, when they returned with LD all bloody and stuff she overheard them say that all their money troubles were over since they hijacked this plane - whoopeee - yet she also says that she finds out later thay they lost the money. Optimistic crooks - I'll give em that. Her accounts about her conversations with her dad shortly after the hijacking and then before he died seemed to get more detailed as she went along. Also, before her father dies, she has him telling her about how LD lost the money, how he was injured. So why not bring all this up before now? Again - just seems that all of this is coming out conveniently aligned to a time when DB would be garnering some extra publicity - what with that anniversary thing and all. Her accounts of what happened to LD changed. One account says they never saw him again, another says they did. He supposedly stayed in the same general area, I think - Did no one in the family ever see him again or just Marla's family? Any evidence that he has any history of being in a parachute? A biggie - that is one of that factors that comes up in relation to other contenders like Duane, Mel, and Jaime's dad. Maybe it doesn't let anyone off the hook for being DB, but, imho, it's significant. In the picture of him he looks kind of short (I know he's sitting down but I'm talking about foot to knee, length of thigh and trunk). No, I didn't measure and I know that pictures can be deceiving. Are there NO other pictures of him in existence? So how tall was he? What kind of car were they driving? Were they wearing their hunting clothes when they left? Who else was at the house for Thanksgiving? Were LD and Dewey and dad the only siblings alive? Any other wives there? Any other kids there? Anyone else remember the bloody shirt, walkie-talkies, and talks of hi-jacking? Seems like if someone showed up on Thanksgiving day all bloody after a hunting trip everyone would know about it. And it would probably be talked about from then on - "Remember the Thanksgiving ol Dewie and LD got into that fight with the turkey?" Wonder why we haven't heard from LD's immediate family? News reports say they are out there. Any record of that VA hospital visit shortly after the hijacking? What was it for? Is the FBI still using Windows Vista? Why would the fingerprint thing take so long? What we have been led to believe about military fingerprints? Is it true or not that they would be on file somewhere? Do they purge those military files if they are taken? If we are to believe Marla, why is the FBI changing stance - now willing to rely only on a picture - when the witnesses reportedly have given a hesitant nod to other people as well? Why is he no longer believed to have died in the jump? Why has their psychological profile changed? Is all of this based on a picture and an 8 year old's stated memories? Just naggin questions.

You can search her on youtube video and there is a picture of her channeling DB on her facebook page - Marla Wynn cooper. I'd say she is probably motivated with a plan, and she is indeed cute - but she has blonde hair and doesn't strike me as being very short. Plus her story is that she was about 8 yrs old in 1971, so that would put her at about 29ish in 92. And if she's like some women I know, she's still 29.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOmd-FdlI-0&feature=fvwp&NR=1 but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I wonder why Ted Mayfield doesn't mention anything about those parachutes here. Seems like would've been a great opportunity. Just wonderin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dat-UPEB15M On a side note: why do I keep wanting that newscaster to twitch her nose and get rid of Dr. Bombay before Darwood gets home? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Vanilla Ice? The Ice Ice Baby Vanilla Ice? I get the one hit wonder thing but not the analogy with lying. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_Ice Now who were those two guys that lip-synced through their 15 minutes of fame? Maybe you were thinking about these two gems...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milli_Vanilli but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I'm just glad we were able to skip over all of that ABD crap. Denial to acceptance works a heck of lot better for my schedule. But Doc Martens??.... but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

. And the jury says.....Fry em. As usual, you have cut right to the crux of the issues in your hunk(y) way. Might I add: 38. Marla (Cooper) is writing a non-fiction book about her uncle L.D. (Cooper). Case closed.

@377. Don't forget astral projection, Shirley Maclaine channeling, and the grassy knoll. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Woah..... seems I remember that some posters on this forum gave pretty short shrift to Miss Marla - tearing her story to pieces - before they fell sway to her charm. I could recite past posts but I'll give you guys a break. And are we also supposed to believe that the FBI checked DNA (which supposedly reported nil) BEFORE they even looked at fingerprints from his service records? And oh yeah.... they weren't even going to check the fingerprints until Spring of next year. Whats up with that? And now we get Mommie Dearest stories about Marla's childhood to boot? What's so sordid about a drunken-brawl-throwing food-on- the-floor story? That's just regular ole stuff here in Cat-On-A-Hot-Tin-Roof land. And what's this about the ever elusive, smokin-hot, but can't-remember-shit Tina -- she is now perusing pics of the latest suspect?? Sorry Farf Okay, call me cynical.......LD might well be the guy but all this hype is sounding like... well... hype. I'm thinking Vicki may be on to something -- if she had sent a picture in maybe some FBI agent would be fawning all over her. She is, after all, a high ranking member of the hunkette club.

lol...I don't know why..... but for some reason...I'm constantly reminded of one great big dysfunctional family.

from ckret old post: The money was provided by Seafirst bank which is now Bank of America. The money had been earmarked for situations such as these and was always on hand. It had been photographed and serial numbers recorded by their security so the FBI did none of this. The money was then transported by SeaFirst bank security to a Seattle police detective who then drove it to the airport and handed over to NWA. The money was bundled in various counts so that no bundle was the same. Each bundle was secured by rubber band and different counts so that it appeared the money was hastily gathered. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Yes. I've attached pic from Sluggo's site http://n467us.com/Answers%20Page.htm. Might not be on your local news but I've seen coverage on some national/international news sources. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Though I thought there were some interesting correlations, Snowmman tells me the guy he was referring to wasn't the guy I referenced. With more info from Snow looking like it's this guy: Found another pic of him here http://n467us.com/Answers%20Page.htm at number 5. Remember that poll? So mea culpa and scratch my post. I should have first tried to find the original picture before I got google-happy. That's what I get for trying to cook while playing at the dropzone. Just glad I didn't burn the dressing. That would've sucked. .....lol..Glad I didn't suggest he might be Cooper.

Getting ready to go over the river and through the woods. Hope everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Ever notice how pictures of ties are always cut off - or the quality is such that you can't get a good look at the clasp? It's a conspiracy I tell you.

377 Is it this guy? If it is, I only skimmed the two references below about Dave Huntman, but I'll make a stab at it. Did you post it because he was p.o'd about Boeing cancellation of program? From the midwest? Wore black skinny ties?

It is interesting. If the report is accurate, I wonder if it's Vicki's father? Who knows, maybe they are checking out Kenny again.

But, Sluggo has not been mentioned. ??? I'm wondering about him too. Hasn't been around in a long while. Hope everything's good with him. Would be cool if Ckret shows up too.

Okay someone I know touched base with Geoffrey Gray about this so it might be in the works - but, if not - I hope somebody tapes the symposium for those of us that can't be there. He mentioned they might stream it but I've not heard anymore on that so I'm guessing that's not happening? I'll pay for a dvd or whatever format. Probably be too problematic with different presenters having to give their permission? Not sure how all that works. I know I've presented before for a conference that my workplace sponsored and just had to sign a release for which I received a whole dollar.

Don't know if you meant it that way, but that line was pretty punny. (rhymes with funny)