smokin99

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLz-68n6bvI

Dumb question time - I guess PAX stands for passenger? Never mind - Through the power of the internet, I found out more than I ever wanted to know about the origin of the abbreviation PAX.

No. I looked for a date but didn't see one. There's more info about him on this if she wants a death certificate. Never married, Student at University of CA when he died. He was honorably discharged from USAR Dec 72 after fulfilling his term of service. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Ask her if this is him. One is high school grad, the other is as a policeman. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Some more info... if this is him...matches MrS info.... Eric Lee Anderson Service Info.: SP 5 US ARMY VIETNAM Birth Date: 4 Apr 1948 Death Date: 1 Nov 1974 Service Start Date: 10 Jan 1967 Interment Date: 7 Nov 1974 Cemetery: Golden Gate National Cemetery Cemetery Address: 1300 Sneath Lane San Bruno, CA 94066 Buried At: Section 2f Site 569 Only other thing I found was short article about death saying basically same as what MrS found. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Forget the 99s, I think this calls for Mrshutter45 to see if he can trace a fabric or clothing manufacturer the same way he did with the tie pin. Switlik, Pioneer, and Steinthal are parachute manufacturers that I have heard of who produce parachutes of their own design. I don't immediately recognize the Standard Parachute Corporation name, but it apparently is a old time parachute manufacturing company also. I don't recognize any of the other names, but my guess is that during the war effort they acted as sub-contractors or licensed manufacturers to the major prewar parachute companys. So prior to WW2, these companys were probably clothing manufacturers, seat cover(?) manufacturers, or other such things. Vanity Fair may have been just such a clothing manufacturer whose machinery was also used to make parachutes or parachute components. Does Mrshutter45 have any experience or knowledge of the clothing industry during the WW2 era? Robert99 Well here's a quick and easy start - You might know that Farflung would hone in on the lingerie company.

Marilyn Monroe...what a waste... she'd be 86 if she had lived. Wonder what she'd look like today if she'd followed maybe just a couple of rules --- you know the kind a good mama or real friend might have told her about. Maybe one like it might not be wise to get romantically involved with married politicians that are connected to the mob....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lsZ6TGZ44g&feature=related but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

The pictures are not the only source to view. Does this video show tattered cloth in places? I can answer that. Yes it does. At about .24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAW80de3EUk Like I said - the article said the items were exposed to the elements. I'm not arguing this. I'm not saying silk is not biodegradable. I'm not saying that buried silk won't rot. I'm not even saying the chute is silk. What I'm saying is that until you or someone else personally examines the chute, YOU or they are NOT in a position to determine the makeup of said chute. You can speculate and you might be correct in regards to the long term effects of being buried in WA on silk , but it's still just speculation. ...You know, the fact that this chute was buried when it was found does not preclude the possibility that it was found in Grandpa's attic 5 years ago and buried then. And some say consulted. This implies ...well...consulting. And there might be reasons they didn't name them... Some folks actually don't want to get dragged into this. Go figure.

No but I looked in my old clippings and did find an article about a B52 that went down in the general area in 47. About 10 miles southwest of kelso? How close is that to the parachute find? Pilot and co-pilot were killed. Two passengers parachuted out. Both got help from people in nearby farmhouses. One injured critically - needed ambulance taken to Longview Hospital. The other passenger landed several miles from the crash scene and made it to a farmhouse where he got a ride into Kelso - This was his first ride in an airplane. he said "they hung a chute on me, told me what to do, then shoved me out of the plane". His name is Elmer L Taff - he was going home on furlough to Mertzon, TX. He was 23 years old then - maybe he's still around. Smokin, I don't believe that was a B52 since they weren't even designed until several years after 1947. Maybe it was a B25? Robert99 You're absolutely right - my mistake. The article says "B-25 bomber". But you gotta queue the Music Based on the article I found about that crash... http://www.supernaturalufo.com/index.php?newsid=5883 I wonder if BK was there for this "mystery" too Damn...and I was just looking for a parachute. I don't think I ever even followed up on it. Sure did miss the UFOs. Good find - veddy interesting.... it's all coming together..UFOS...parachutes....Cooper - Man in Black.... but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

No but I looked in my old clippings and did find an article about a B52 that went down in the general area in 47. About 10 miles southwest of kelso? How close is that to the parachute find? Pilot and co-pilot were killed. Two passengers parachuted out. Both got help from people in nearby farmhouses. One injured critically - needed ambulance taken to Longview Hospital. The other passenger landed several miles from the crash scene and made it to a farmhouse where he got a ride into Kelso - This was his first ride in an airplane. he said "they hung a chute on me, told me what to do, then shoved me out of the plane". His name is Elmer L Taff - he was going home on furlough to Mertzon, TX. He was 23 years old then - maybe he's still around. Smokin, I don't believe that was a B52 since they weren't even designed until several years after 1947. Maybe it was a B25? Robert99 You're absolutely right - my mistake. The article says "B-25 bomber". but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Well first, the chute was rather tattered in places. Second, I read that silk garments and tapestries have been unearthed in excavations from ancient civilizations in excellent condition - no raveling or discoloration. Some which had been exposed to the elements. Maybe that was a different kind of silk. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

No but I looked in my old clippings and did find an article about a B52 that went down in the general area in 47. About 10 miles southwest of kelso? How close is that to the parachute find? Pilot and co-pilot were killed. Two passengers parachuted out. Both got help from people in nearby farmhouses. One injured critically - needed ambulance taken to Longview Hospital. The other passenger landed several miles from the crash scene and made it to a farmhouse where he got a ride into Kelso - This was his first ride in an airplane. he said "they hung a chute on me, told me what to do, then shoved me out of the plane". His name is Elmer L Taff - he was going home on furlough to Mertzon, TX. He was 23 years old then - maybe he's still around. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

lol..unicorn mane... Thanks. I forgot about Hayden's chutes. This thread has been kinda bonkers for a spell and I kind of lost interest for a while. The whole parachute thing has always made me wanta "say what??" anyway. Cossey, Hayden, the other guy from Issaquah (sp?) that was featured in an article, varying accounts from the day - all different takes on the parachutes. I guess a parachute buried in the ground in Cooperland is just so intriguing...it's hard not to be afflicted with Golden ticketitis.

Look, several of us had reservations about the chute...hey - I still do- but how can you make such sweeping declarations? Roundly discounted by who?? The Citizen's sleuth team who didn't even see it? The date? What and where is the proof (not speculation - proof) that this chute is first gen nylon? I'm not being facetious - maybe I missed it. I know the opinion about the condition, and I know when they stopped mfg silk parachutes...Has anyone that was consulted or seen the actual chute said that it was first-gen nylon? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Several of your statements including, but not limited to the one above, do not appear to be accurate if you are basing them on this article. http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Suspected-D-B-Cooper-parachute-may-actually-be-1268879.php Read the article again. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Don't forget the other piece of evidence found. How does the location of the placard fit in.....or is it relevant due to wind drift, etc.? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Uncle. You win again. Guess I'm just getting lazy in this southern humidity. Going back to my end of the bar now. Just gonna sit on the stool, drink my mint julep and cry when the band plays a Hank Williams tune. Welcome back. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Didn't buy the CIA-patented extra super deluxe version, huh? Oh well, we'll just have to make do. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Good point about the lag time, Jo. It is something to think about. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

lol...I didn't know where Janet lived because I don't live and breathe DB Cooper and my memory is very selective as to what I feel the need to retain. As the other 99 pointed out, some of us have lives. You are right when you say to take into consideration the lag time. However, and I don't know this for certain, but seems like - if they were recording - the steps recorded were in sync with a timer. I've always assumed that as he's doing, he's talking, it's being recorded/typed and the recording/teletype is timed. At least that's my assumption. I could be wrong. However it's done though, even in the 70s I would have expected a little more precision than a lag time being a minute or more. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Yeah....you would...like I said, I'm quite sure that even if she saw something it is probably selective or embellished memory - it happens to most of us over time. The point is...though, did she see something that would point to anything that might help with knowing where he jumped. Cause the choices are limited in regards to Janet. Either she's outright lying, she's delusional, she thought she saw something but really didn't, or she did see something. Or maybe she just got her dates wrong. All I'm saying is that in this case with all the weirdness that surrounds it, it would be interesting to know which option it is - without a doubt and not just someone's opinion. So...if you can prove that you can't see a flare such as this one from 10000 feet at night and that it won't illuminate the plane even for just a couple of seconds, then I'll concede the point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCZXrXrN76w about halfway in. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

lol....okay...since we're not having much luck in WA...... I'll admit it's been a while since I've looked at the maps so I'm probably not remembering correctly but I thought that the 8:10 "oscilliation/bump" put him in Oregon anyway. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

And just to clarify the point...she didn't say anything was "lighting up the sky". In the article where she was quoted, she states that she saw "flames.....Immediately, the fireball arched away from the platform, split into two and then disappeared in the direction of the Columbia River ". but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Right, but, according to the transcripts, the stairs were down at 7:44:22 when they were still at 7000 ft. Also, at that point they seemed not to be sure whether their friend was still with them or not so he could have been on the stairs for all they know. At 7:51:31 they were climbing up to 10000 - going through 9000 now. At 7:51:42 they are level at 10000. I don't know - do seconds count at those speeds? Where did Janet live? I was under the impression that she was not that far out from takeoff point, but I might be wrong. I believe Robert99 is absolutely correct that the transcripts are not a full and accurate portrayal of the flight path, but i guess you have to start somewhere. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

This is great. Can't speak for all but I've been waiting on someone with the right software to do this for a long time. Hope you'll put Robert99's suggestions about the map/flight path in play and keep us updated on your progress. Thanks. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill