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Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries December 27, 2022 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the "cowboy" The identity of the "Cowboy" and any FBI files related to him; the passenger Cooper may have had an altercation with ?

Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries December 22, 2022 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the "Air Force map" revisited The "D. B. Cooper" files in the FBI Vault contain at least six references to a map of the flight path, in five cases explicitly attributed to the US Air Force. These references make it clear that the map was created no later than November 26, 1971 (two days after the hijacking). The references read: December 23, 2022 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the "sled test" revisited In the "sled test" flight of January 6, 1972, the FBI, with the assistance of Northwest Airlines and the US Air Force, attempted to replicate the aerodynamic effects of the hijacker's jump from Flight 305.

ChatGPT: Optimizing Language Models for Dialogue and Data Processing Searching and organising data requires modern processing tools. The FBI has several such systems. But not all agents take advantage of it. Tom Kaye, Carr, Ulis etal have shown no inclination to use these systems for the Cooper case analysis. We have already seen how Geof Gray and Bruce Smith were swallowed by the complexity of the Cooper case! These data processing models/programs are fundamental to university education today in most subjects. I cant imagine how the McCrone list could be searched and organised without data processing software! https://openai.com/blog/chatgpt/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT

That seems to be true! ......... Was Cossey gambling at the time of the hijacking? He was working as a school teacher wasn't he ? Did the hijacking become an inconvenient intruder into his personal life?

7:54 pm t1 MSP: As soon as reasonably sure the man has left the quicker you can land. 305: Roger. Miss Mucklow said he apparently has the knapsack around him and thinks he will attempt a jump. MSP: Roger. After leaving this freq go to 131.8 we have direct phone patch There (to Company and FBI) 305: Roger. [There is no 'knapsack'. So its something else Cooper has fabricated in some configuration, around his waste? Mucklow describes Cooper being upset when the knapsack was not provided and saying he would have to 'fabricate something' to carry the money. see Mucklow's crew interviews ... ]

These thoughts are interesting but since Cooper did not specify or explain anything chute wise, and there was no long winded discussion, he made do with what he was given and he went ahead and jumped. The crew could have played dumb and told Cooper they didnt know what he wanted! - didnt know what to tell people. But that didnt happened either. They took Cooper's words as given, got chutes, delivered chutes, .... he made do. We have been at this for years speculating endlessly! Cooper was only at it for several hours and gone! There weren't endless iterations from Cooper. He got chutes, made do, and jumped.

TK's original analysis of the tie from his orig website: Methods There are three possible avenues where the tie could have come to rest on seat 18E. We will examine each in detail and give reasons for including or dismissing them from the analysis. 1. The tie belonged to a passenger or worker on one of the previous flights. A tie remaining on a seat from a previous flight would require the cleaning crew to miss it between flights. The flight attendants would also have missed it. Lastly Cooper would not only not seen it, but sat down on the knot with the protruding clip, and not feel it for the entire flight. The odds of all three, the cleaning crew, the attendants and Cooper missing the tie, is thought to be incredibly high and therefore this is probability is not included here. 2. The tie belonged to someone else on the plane. This is a viable possibility and needs to be included in the analysis. The odds increase against this being true because Cooper sat alone at the back of the plane. The passengers sitting in the three rows in front of Cooper were allowed to move further toward the front of the plane. There is testimony that some people went aft to go to the bathroom so he was not completely alone there through the entire flight. For this analysis we count all 36 passengers on the plane as male, minus the number of men wearing ties and females photographed leaving the plane. 3. The tie belonged to Cooper. This seems to be the most obvious conclusion, but the purpose of this analysis is to determine if any of the other passengers had a high probability of leaving a tie. In order for the tie to come to rest on the plane from some unknown passenger, a series of steps must take place as outlined below. 1. The passenger had a tie to remove. 2. The passenger forgot the tie on the plane. 3. The passenger left the tie on Cooper's seat. Additionally the unknown passenger had the following characteristics. 4. He smoked. 5. He wore a black tie. For each of these five attributes we need to assign a probability for them being true. In some cases a probability could be assigned based on actual data, and others were based on reasonable assumptions. The odds attributed to each are outlined below. 1. Number of passengers potentially leaving a tie on Coopers flight including Cooper = 20 (36 total, 6 women on passenger list plus 10 men wearing ties when they exited the plane from 1971 video. 2. Forgetting the tie on the plane = 15% (best estimate) 3. Leaving the tie on Coopers seat = 5% (best estimate) 4. Smoker = 44% (percentage of males who smoked in 1970 [1]) 5. Passengers wearing a black tie = 35% (best estimate) A complete discussion of the math used to combine these probabilities is beyond the scope of this paper, but the Excel spreadsheet can be downloaded here. Discussion It would seem obvious that Cooper left his tie on his seat, but we must ask the question, how likely is it that any other passenger could have left the tie? Based on the probabilities given above, the chance a passenger on this flight that is a smoker with a black tie that would forget his tie on Cooper's seat is estimated to be 2%. Conversely, this puts the probability of the tie belonging to Cooper at 98%. This is better than a two sigma threshold which means that the value is statistically relevant if the probabilities are reasonable. Conclusions This analysis allows for a reasonable assumption that the tie belonged to Cooper. For purposes of discussion, the term "Cooper's tie" is therefore used throughout this research. Special thanks to Robert Crawford for this analysis. References 1. Surveillance for Selected Tobacco-Use Behaviors -- United States, 1900-1994. Center for Disease Control, 1994, Link * The tie particles emerged later and are not mentioned in the above analysis.

which half is him? left or right side ?

Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries December 20, 2022 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the tie " I am compelled to agree with my correspondent: that the tie does not tell us anything about the hijacker’s identity. " "We do not know whether the FBI Laboratory’s term “more than one” meant exactly three, as per Agent Gutt, or more than three. If, for example, there were four distinct DNA samples on the tie, the maximum chance of a link to the hijacker’s history is reduced to 25 percent; if five, then 20 percent, and so on." And, all of the samples produced 'partials'. ? A reporter here reported TK saying there were 14 donors? Which reduces Cooper's contribution to 1.4% ! Which donor of Cooper commentary is correct? Tom Kaye and his correspondents, or Gutt ? [Gutt is pronounced 'gooot'.] Poncho Villa's grave could be opened and his dna tested!

Marvelous. You must have had a good time noting events you now report are germane to the DB Cooper case ? 377 reports experiments with radios that may be germane to the Cooper case. JT reports he dropped ping pong balls in the Washougal and they all flowed to guess where - Tina Bar! Dr Edwards reports Fermi etal developed statistical prediction models developed at the Univ of Chicago which might be germane to the Cooper case. And TK's SEM is broke so the TiSb particle cannot be confirmed as being an alloy while NickyB says it is anyway. TK also reports that the Cooper money was "buried" in the Spring. The 'boing' effect may be key to the Cooper case. https://www.google.com/search?q=the+sound+boing+boing+boing&ei=_ISfY9n2ENCmptQP0-6diAE&ved=0ahUKEwjZ5MmXjYT8AhVQk4kEHVN3BxEQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=the+sound+boing+boing+boing&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzIFCAAQogQyBQgAEKIEMgUIABCiBDIFCAAQogQ6CggAEEcQ1gQQsAM6BwgAELADEEM6DwguENQCEMgDELADEEMYAToMCC4QyAMQsAMQQxgBOgcIABCABBANOgoILhCABBDUAhANOgcILhCABBANOggIABAFEAcQHjoFCAAQhgM6CgghEMMEEAoQoAE6BAghEApKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQlyZYzzZglTpoAXABeACAAV-IAZwGkgECMTCYAQCgAQHIAQzAAQHaAQQIARgI&sclient=gws-wiz-serp#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:cd0535bb,vid:h-tyN6nZqYk

PHOOEY! Ulis and 377 could care less! Its the cult drama and stage show that matters! Get used to it. Its the Lyle Christian/Blevins Effect.

Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries December 15, 2022 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: piano tuners in Chicago Applying the correct 'Fermi filter' to the Cooper case. Too late now. Starts with the assumption that Cooper belonged to some class of parachute users or had parachute/paratrooper training. 'If therefore, we could identify six Caucasian men with parachuting experience, who in 1971 were aged 40 to 49 and were 5’10” to 6’0” tall, and who had demonstrably been in Portland, Oregon, on November 24, 1971: five of them would have been the natural products of Fermi’s filter, and the sixth would be the hijacker of Flight 305.' Another form on the filter might stipulate that by 1975 Cooper was in need of Social Services or Vocational Rehab Services, due to some past injury or occupational illness related to heavy element exposure, and long term illness/unemployment. Due to an injury in Nov of 1971 ? Cooper is now seeking services, his money gone, and is now on the rolls in some State, and goes through some Voc Rehab facility, perhaps the Oakdale Voc Rehab facility in the Midwest ? His vita is in someone's files .... but missed by the FBI because that was not in the filter. As Fermi and Oppenheimer always said, 'the key is in devising the right filter'. [Argonne Ntl Labs/ Univ of Chicago, summer 1960. Its in Fermi's thick folio of class notes]. If Cooper is missed at first, try and intercept him in the future ? Parachuting may only have been incidental to the real DB Cooper's life. A focus on parachuting may be blinding everyone!

run the dna if wasnt already done - duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I guess we learn something new everyday - which is actually two words. Every day. McCoy is related to the original female in Africa that founded Homo Sapiens - that much is true - every day. Did Australopithecus smoke ? Or drink ? Or play with the Cooper case?

What distinguishes Cooper from other hijackings is his use of psychology and planning. He is a manager type. He even admitted his reason for hijacking was a 'grudge' - which is psychological-political. I think the FBI for whatever reason failed to classify who and what they were dealing with vs other hijackers/hijackings. BTW: Cooper does not fit McCoy's psychological life profile/facts at all!

From a tactical point of view, the fueling stall delayed Cooper's original timeline. Having the door open and stairs out and accessible, means he can theoretically leave any time he wants - anywhere along the flight path he has agreed to. It sounds like he didnt think the pilots could detect his leaving? Very likely Cooper is keeping track of time because a 'timeline' is part of his original demand. I think he bailed where he originally intended to bail except later than he wanted, and he sent the plane on a long flight consuming more time thinking/hoping nobody would detect where he had left - all of which depends on him having a parachute on and being to leave even before the plane has become airborne again after landing at Seattle. He got everyone to comply with his demands which is precisely what he wanted! His "plan" worked because people complied. Cooper worked psychology to get what he wanted. That much is obvious and was obvious the minute he rejected Flo in favor of the more rational: Mucklow who was effective and compliant. Cooper's hijacking relies on psychology vs brute force. Cooper is a thinker vs a reactor. Cooper is a manager vs a worker - something Mucklow picked up on and reported, but nobody paid any attention. Rataczak reacted to this with anger, frustration, and confusion! Cooper's demands are and define his plan!

Duane was not DB Cooper - nor was Daffy Duck. It looks as if Duane resisted Jo's insinuation.

who knows - Duane wasnt talking! In fact, Duane never issued one single statement on his own about the Cooper case, except to drive Jo by McCoy's house 'for some inexplicable reason' according to Jo. Jo is the sole author of the Duane story. Duane did this, did that, ,,,,, all according to Jo.

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More on Jo and Duane Weber. They were a team. Jo admitted to me that her and Duane's interest in the Cooper case began when they moved to Virginia Beach and Duane drove Jo by the house where Richard McCoy had been killed. Jo said and that started her 'research' socalled into the DB Cooper case. She said Duane was never in favor of her interest. If you recall, Jo said Duane told her to 'give it up' on his death bed. In any event, Jo's claims should never have gained any credence to become Cooper lore.

In addition to her 11/30 interview Mucklow gave a second FBI interview over two days at her home: 12/1-2/71 Do you have it? The crew interviews are in The Vault on Shutter's site. ... Interview of Mucklow 12/1-2 at her home in PA: Tina Mucklow, residing at the home of her family, provided the following information: On November 24th 1971, while employed as a stewardess for Northwest Airlines, Ms. Mucklow was on Flight No. 305 which originated in Washington DC, and arrived at Minneapolis Minn about 10:00 a.m., and Ms Mucklow boarded shortly thereafter. She says the crew for her flight was Pilot Wm Scott, Co-pilot Wm ‘Bill’ Rataczak, Third officer and Engineer Harold ‘Andy’ Anderson, Senior Stewardess Alice Hancock, B Stewardess Florence Schaffner, and finally C Stewardess (herself) Tina Mucklow, the junior member of the crew. Mucklow advised that her flight departed Minneapolis at 10:35 am CST with a light load of less than half its compliment of passengers, flew to Great Falls, Montana, then to Missoula, Montana, and then to Spokan, Washington, and then Portland, Oregon. She said that the aircraft departed Portland at 2:53 pm Pacific Standard Time, and arrived two hours and fifty three minutes later at Seattle, Washington, which is normally a 36 minute flight. Just before the Second Officer (Rataczak) gave the word for takeoff from Portland, Hostess Schaffner took a beverage form to the aft jump seat. There was a man in seat 18-E middle after passenger seat, and as Mucklow faced the barrier strip, she observed Hostess Schaffner dropping a note, stand up and she unfastened the barrier strip and sat down next to the man in seat 18-E. Mucklow says that Hostess Schaffner appeared ‘emotional’ in that she was trying to speak to her (Mucklow), was moving her lips, but other than a gasp, no other words came out. Mucklow picked up the note lying at her feet and read it. To the best she can remember, it said: “Miss. I am hijacking this plane. I have a bomb. Sit next to me.” The aircraft lifted off the runway at 2:58pm and Mucklow used the interphone to advise the pilot the plane was being hijacked. She saidL :We’re being hijacked, he’s got a bomb, and this is no joke.” Mucklow replaced the phone and leaned down in the isle near Schaffner and saw her writing something on an envelope. After Schaffner finished writing she said to the man next to her that she would take the note to the cockpit. Mucklow says she asked Schaffner if she wanted her to take the note forward and Schaffner said “no”. Mucklow asked “Do you want me to stay here?” and the man replied, “yes”. Schaffner then took the note forward to the cockpit. Mucklow sat next to the man and shortly thereafter he opened a black cheap appearing imitation leather attache case and showed her a device, with eight red cylindarsand a wire running from the cylindars toward a large 6x8x2” battery. The wire had a red plastic coating on it except for the last inch which was bare and the man was holding between his fingers. He told (me) it was an electronic device and suggested the aircraft radio be used as little as possible. He then said ‘he didn’t think radio transmissions would bother it, but he wanted the crew warned’ . (After these statements from the hijacker) Mucklow called the pilot over the interphone and advised him of the device (and the hijacker’s statements) and from that point on she acted as the communications intermediary, between the hijacker and the pilot using the interphone. During one message to the pilot the hijacker specified that all of the previously requested items be at the airport when he landed. Mucklow later learned that the note which Schaffner had carried to the pilot contained a list of (specific) demands. The hijacker later told (repeated to) Mucklow that he wanted $200,000 in circulated US currency, two back and two front parachutes, and fuel trucks to meet the plane when it landed. One of the specific demands that he made was that the fuel was to come first and start fueling the plane immediately. Everyone in the plane was to remains in their seats and he indicated that Mucklow was to be the liaison and the one to go out and get the money and the parachutes. After fueling was completed and the money was on board, the hijacker indicated that the passengers would be released, and the last item to be brought aboard would be the chutes, and that only the crew members were to be aboard and they must stay out of the isle and remain in their seats. During the flight from Portland to Seattle Mucklow had light conversation with the hijacker. She asked him where he was from but he became upset and said he didn’t want to answer that. . She steered the conversation into remarking ‘that if they were going to Cuba airline personnel were advised to warn passengers against buying Cuban rum or cigars because US Customs would confiscate them when they returned to the United States. (Mucklow says) the hijacker laughed and said ‘they weren’t going to Cuba, but she would like where they were going’. He asked her where she was from and she told him she was from Pennsylvania but was living in replied that ‘Minneapolis, Minnesota is very nice country’. refused everything. She asked him why he picked Northwest Airlines to hijack and he laughed and said “It’s not because I have a grudge against your airlines (plural), it’s just because I have a grudge”. He paused and said ‘that the flight suited his time, place, and plans.’ Other conversation centered around personal habits such as smoking and he asked her if she did and she said she used to but quit, and he offered her a cigarette which she took and smoked. She asked him if he wanted any food or drink and he During the flight from Portland to Seattle, a male passenger started aft down the isle and Mucklow met him at about Row 14. She asked him what he wanted and he replied ‘he was looking for a sports magazine’. Mucklow took him to the aft section of the plane immediately behind the hijacker where they looked and finally he accepted a New Yorker Magazine, and returned to his seat. After the man was seated Mucklow returned to seat 18-D, next to the hijacker, and he said “If that is a Sky Marshall I don’t want any more of that”, and Mucklow reassured the hijacker it wasn’t (a sky marshal) and further ‘that there are no sky marshals on this flight’. A short time later the pilot called and asked Mucklow to ask the hijacker if he wanted the passengers informed of the situation, and the hijacker said “No”. The pilot replied that he would come up with an excuse to explain the extension of the flight beyond its normal 36 minutes. It was at this point that the hijacker instructed Mucklow to tell the pilot he wanted his note and envelope back. He also wanted the empty matchbook cover from which he had been lighting his cigarettes; Mucklow had thrown that into the trash pouch on the seat in front of 18-D where you would normally throw personal trash. Mucklow indicated he had another similar book of matches and the cover was blue and said “Sky Chef”. He retained that book of matches in his pocket. While in the holding pattern over Seattle the hijacker noted: ‘It is 5:15 and we are still waiting. I wanted everything by 5:00 o’clock!’ Mucklow called the pilot on the phone and got an update and informed the hijacker ‘we are waiting for the front pack chutes to arrive at the airport from McChord’. The hijacker replied: “McChord is only 20 minutes from Tacoma; it doesn’t take that long.” Mcklow called the pilot again and the crew said the chutes were ‘en route’ and the cockpit requested permission from the hijacker to start the descent without the chutes being present at the airport. The hijacker said “yes provided the chutes are there by the time the fueling is completed”. A few minutes later the pilot called back and advised ‘the chutes have arrived and we are going to land’. The flight landed at Seattle International Airport at 5:45pm Pacific time. Prior to the landing the pilot wanted permission from the hijacker to park the aircraft away from the terminal and the hijacker said “ok”. The pilot said he would park in a semi-lighted runway not being used and this pleased the hijacker. While the aircraft was being taxied to that area Mucklow asked the hijacker’s permission to move five passengers away from the area of seat row 18 and the hijacker approved of that. Stewardess Mucklow stood at Row 15 in the middle of the isle to make certain no one came aft. When the aircraft stopped the pilot got permission from the hiajcker to let the fuel trucks approach the plane. The stairs truck came to the front door and Mucklow left via the front door and went to the car carrying the money, chutes, food, maps, and a radio for cockpit communications.. At this time the hijacker got up and went to the aft lavatory. When Mucklow returned the hijacker was back in his seat. Mucklow dragged a white canvas money bag down the isle (right in fron ot the passangers) to where the hijacker was sitting and placed it on seat 18-D next to the hijacker. The hijacker looked through the bag and said that it was ‘now alright for the passengers to get off the plane’. Mucklow notified the pilot and the pilot made an announcement ‘the passengers could now leave the aircraft’. After the passengers left Mucklow asked the hijacker if he wanted her to get the other items waiting outside and he said “yes”, but he wanted the other crew members to remain seated. Mucklow then left and brought in one large parachute (back pack). The hijacker told her to lower the window shades, which she did. Mucklow then left again and brought in two small chutes (front packs). Her next trip she got the last ‘big chute’ and placed it with the others in Row 18. At this time Mucklow handed him a sheet of instructions on ‘how to jump and use a parachute’ and he said ‘he didn’t need that’. Prior to all of this Mucklow asked the hijacker if he wouldn’t rather have one of the cockpit crew (men) get the chutes, but the hijacker told her ‘they aren’t that heavy and she wouldn’t have any trouble’. When Mucklow returned to the plane with the last back pack chute, she saw that the hijacker had one of the small chutes open and was cutting nylon cords out with his pocket knife. He took the nylon cord and wrapped it around the neck of the money bag numerous times and then he wrapped it a few times from top to bottom, and with the same piece (of cord) he made a loop like a handle at the top. This nylon cord was pinkish in color. He appeared irritated that they hadn’t given him a knapsack for the money as requested, and after trying to put the money in an unfolded parachute, he decided to leave it in the canvas bag (and fabricate a holding line for that, instead). She told him that they had crew meals and maps, and requested permission to go get them. He replied “yes” and Mucklow went to get the items and returned taking a seat next to him. He said, “We’re going to Mexico City, gear down, flaps down, you can trim the plane to 15, you can stop anywhere in Mexico to refuel, but not here in the United States. The aft door must be open and the stairs down. The altitude, under 10,000 feet, they know they can’t go over that. Cabin lights out and everyone is to be forward of the first class curtain.” Mucklow relayed these instruction to the pilot. (Stewardess Hancock appeared!)) Hancock came back to where the hijacker was seated and asked if she could get could get her purse. The hijacker said she could come on back, he wouldn’t bite her. Then she asked if the stewardesses could get off and he said “yes” About one hour had passed since landing and Mucklow was taking information for the hijacker from the pilot (???) and she told the other stewardesses to go ahead and she would be with them in a second, and they went forward to the cockpit. She told the hijacker that the plane ‘could not’ take off with the ladder down and he said in a low voice: “Yes they can, but the cockpit can put it down after they get airborne.” [important passage] She told him that the stairs had to be let down from the rear and at this point he appeared disturbed because of the duration of time the refueling was taking, and her told her to stay (with him). (Finally) Just prior to takeoff he became very excited because they had been on the ground over an hour so Mucklow relayed his displeasure to the cockpit and they answered ‘that they had only 1500 pounds of fuel left to be put in, and this was about one-quarter of the total capacity’. Mucklow relayed that to the hijacker and he calmed down. She then told him it would be a few minutes longer while they filed a flight plan and he replied: “Never mind. They can do that over the radio once we get up. Let’s get the show on the road!” The cockpit called to address the issue of Mucklow lowering the stairs once the aircraft was airborne; they told her to use the ‘escape rope’ to secure herself. [The escape is located …?] Mucklow related this to the hijacker and he vetoed the idea saying “No”. He said he didn’t want her to go back up front or them to come to the back. Mucklow asked if the Second Officer could shut the front door and he said “Yes”. Mucklow got up and opened the rear door and locked it open (as per hijacker’s request) and the pilot started the engines and a short time later began taxing toward the runway. During the taxi Mucklow said, “You know we have oxygen´and the hijacker replied, “Yes I know where it is. If I need it I will get it.” Mucklow asked him to cut some nylon cord from the parachute for her to use as a safety line when opening the rear ladder (with the door open) and the hijacker said: “Never mind” that he would (open it himself). She showed him where the control panel was and the controls and how to do it, and she reminded him to put the ladder up before landing or the aircraft would be damaged and could not take off again. She returned to seat 18C, he to 18E, the money was in 18D, and the bomb was in 18F. [so he did not have personal control of the bomb the whole time!] The plane took off (with the rear door ajar) and she held her ears because of the loud noise from the engines. Approximately four minutes after take off he stood up and told her to go the cockpit and close the first class curtain, and for no one to come back behind the curtain. The lights were out in the rear compartment and she went forward, faced the curtain, (and turned around and looked?) and the last time she saw him he had a nylon cord tied around his waste and he was standing in the isle. Before she secured the curtain she called back and pleaded with him to take the bomb with him or disarm it before he left. After securing the curtain she entered the cockpit and approximately ten minutes later, one of the officers received an interphone call from the hijacker advising that he could not get the rear stairs down. [could he have bailed without the rear stairs being down?] The pilot responded that he would ‘level the aircraft and reduce the air speed. And a short time later the red indicator light went on on the second officer’s panel indicating that the stairs had been lowered, and approximately five minutes after the first call one of the officer’s received another call from the hijacker, which was the last communication anyone had with the hijacker. Before descending at Reno, Mucklow called repeatedly over the intercom system to the hijacker to cooperate, that the aircraft must land. The last message was: “Sir, we are going to land now, please put up the stairs. We are going to land anyway, but the aircraft may be structurally damaged and we may not be able to to take off again after we’ve landed”. The pilot landed the aircraft and parked it away from the terminal. Mucklow and the pilot entered the cabin area and called to the hijacker a number of times to cooperate, and we asked for instructions (from him). There was no answer so we went behind the curtain. Mucklow went to the galley but did not see the man, and at the same time we flipped on all of the cabin lights and there was no one there. The Captain and Mucklow ran to the rear of the aircraft and looked for the bomb. Mucklow The Captain and Mucklow ran to the rear of the aircraft and looked for the bomb. Mucklow looked in the aft lavatory and checked the oxygen bottles compartment, then they began crawling up the isle looking under seats fpr the bomb. While she was doing this the first officer was coming down the isle from the cockpit on his knees with a flashlight looking under seats for the bomb. Then after a few more minutes the first officer tol her to get off the airplane which she did. Mucklow walked between two blue lights down the taxiway away from the aircraft. It was dark. Mucklow recalls that upon entering the after section of the aircraft she saw the one chute that had been cut open and another chute. One was on Row-17, the other on Row-18, both on the left side of the ship. Mucklow said that about five minutes after she left the aircraft three cars came to the nose of the plane. Mucklow described the hijacker as follows: Sex, male. Race, white. Age 44-46. Height 6’. Weight 180-190 lbs. Complexion Medium to dark. Build medium. Hair Dark, flat, straight, sideburns narrow, mid ear. Eyes not observed. Characteristics: Wore sunglasses, dark plastic wrap around frames. The man impressed her as being an executive type by his dress, special mannerisms, and consideration that he exhibited for her while he was on the aircraft. The only time she can recall any actual threat to her life was during the flight from Portland to mentioned to her to impress on everybody that would use the device he had, that he would not be taken off the plane. Mucklow could detect any accent in his voice. Clothing: Dark brown suit possibly with thin black stripes, brown socks, brown ankle length pebble grain shoes, not type shoes (loafers). She does not recall any rings or facial scars, marks, or tattoos. Weather: Mucklow advised that her recollection of the flight from Seattle (south) was that the weather was extremely murky and that the ground could not be seen.

There are records and a police record.

My understanding from H and Jerry Thomas and JT's wife, is that Jo originally claimed Duane 'might be' DB Cooper, not that he was. That began the period where Jo conjured up a case claiming real evidence, but that took at least a year. During that period H diverted Jo to Jerry Thomas and his wife with countless phone calls passing back and forth, many of the calls recorded. All of the internet versions of Weber's story omit this important factual history! It took Jo several years to make up a case. During that whole period her claim was that Duane 'might be' DB Cooper, not that he was! Jo even explained her motive: she was beginning a realty business and wanted to use the DB Cooper angle as advertising.The factual distinction is crucial to the Weber story, but historians socalled always leave that factual documented history out. The whole thing has been an Internet travesty. Go back and read JT's posts about this here at DZ. The Weber story should never have achieved the attention and the traction it got - on the Internet.

How is the hair mounted? Is the hair sample permanently mounted on a single slide? Or between two slides? Under a cover glass? Cemented in place re- balsam cement ? Can the hair be removed? Has the hair sample been contaminated? . . . . . any photos? Where is it located today? The last date the hair was tested? Does the hair have a root? Beyond hair colour is anything known about this hair?

Have you made up your mind? Here are your previous statements on this matter. Keeping track of you is pointless and a full time job! R99 replied to Quade June 5, 2011: ..You apparently don't seem to understand that the weather in the Portland area at the time of the jump consisted of several cloud layers plus a complete overcast. Cooper could not see even the lights of Portland when he jumped. Regardless of the parachute's color, it would not be overly visible... R99 replied to Quade ...The quote in Nuttall's book only addresses the fact that there was a dense cloud cover and overcast that prevented the airliner, flying at about 10,000 feet, from even seeing a "cloud glow" from those two cities. The ground conditions are meaningless in this case. However, the cloud layers , or...July 6, 2011 Robert99 replied...the airliner was above an overcast and several cloud layers when it passed through the Portland area. The people on the airliner could not see the ground. And vice-versa, the people on the ground could not see the airliner. The Janet story, and other such claims, are nonsense.February 6, 2012 Robert99 replied...I have looked down at night time through clouds at quite a few areas of light glow, coming from various cities, over the last 50+ years. Nevertheless, the flight crew of the hijacked airliner said that the overcast and several layers of clouds below them that night were so thick that they could not see the light glow from the Portland and Vancouver areas." I have no idea where Robt99 got this statement on behalf of the whole "f...May 21, 2012 . Robert99 replied.: " the flight crew of the hijacked airliner said that the overcast and several layers of clouds below them that night were so thick that they could not see the light glow from the Portland and Vancouver areas." I have no idea where Robt99 got this statement on behalf of the whole "flight crew”. It’s ridiculous or something he made up. ...May 22, 2012 R99 12/9/19: There was an overcast at 5000 feet and two or three additional cloud layers below that. It is highly unlikely that Cooper could see any land marks on the ground under those weather and night time conditions. For large cities, Cooper may have been able to see the "glow" from the city lights but he would not be able to determine any land marks. Robert99 replied...there where DEFINITE openings when Cooper could have got a casting of lights below the clouds . Witnesses just East of Heisson and North of Heisson - (four of them) said the PLANE was very low and the man claimed to see a shadow in above the cloud level. I think he could hear and was looking in th... May 15, 2013 Robert99 replied...There is mention in the weather hourly sequence reports of about three cloud layers with the top one being an overcast at 5000 feet. Such stable cloud layers support the existence of a stable ..air mass in general, that is, only minimal turbulence. The only other turbulence producing capability i... June 21, 2013 Robert99 replied...There were several cloud layers with an overcast reported at 5000 feet. Visibility at Portland was about 10 miles and there were light rain showers in the area. Himmelsbach's book states that the airliner was at 10,000 feet and in heavy rain at the time Cooper jumped. Recently, Rataczak (the c... August 15, 2013 Robert99 replied...if you think Cooper is going to locate his position by a glimpse through an overcast and two or three additional cloud layers in the middle of the night and while in the middle of nowhere, then I can only conclude that you do not have a realistic understanding of the situation that Cooper was in at...February 1, 2014 Robert99 replied...but the airliner was above several cloud layers and an overcast so that the river could not have been seen visually. In addition, the airliner was only over the river proper for a few miles (at more than three miles per minute groundspeed) so the probability of Cooper landing in water deliberately is zero... September 20, 2014 R99: August 20, 2018, 12:19:47 PM » ..... feet and above an overcast and several additional cloud layers, it is highly unlikely that Rataczak could ............ lying when they apparently could see through the clouds and see the lights of Portland ? I’m waiting on ............ answer ! R99: 6/17/19 There is no way that Cooper could have known his location, even approximately, after the airliner took off from Seattle and climbed above the clouds into the night sky. So when Cooper did jump, he had no way of determining what was below him until he was below the lowest cloud level in a pitch black night. R99 7/11/19 The atmosphere at Portland at the time of Cooper's jump was approximately two percent more dense than the standard atmospheric model. This is due to above standard sea level pressure and below standard temperature at both sea level and 10,000 feet. $ 9/16/19 Georger, You posted several weeks ago that you had "experts" working on the placard problem and that they would expose EU and myself as frauds. Please hurry up and post their results. I can't hold my breath much longer waiting for the shoe to drop. 12/1/19 Once the airliner climbed out of SEATAC and got above the clouds and overcast, there is absolutely no way that Cooper could have known his geographical location within 20 or 30 miles. His obvious intent was to jump near Seattle shortly after take off but that didn't work out. So Cooper was jumping blind and had no idea of the landscape or elevation of the terrain that was under him when he jumped. $ 12/2/19 Hell yes! Do you understand that Cooper blowing up the airliner could result in the deaths of not just the flight crew but a lot of people on the ground from the falling debris? This is probably the main reason that the flight crew would NEVER fly over the city of Portland when they could easily stay west of Portland and shorten their flight route by a few miles and a minute or two of time. Anyone who suggests that the flight path showing the airliner flying over Portland is correct doesn't understand what was happening! $ 12/4/19 Nicky, that simply won't fly. Cooper couldn't see the ground in the first place, and you can't tell the wind direction by just dropping something out of an airplane. $ 12/5/19 Basically, the problem with the Janet claim of flares is that they would be above an overcast and cloud layers as far as Janet was initially concerned and Cooper would not be able to see them when they went below the overcast $ 12/7/19 This is just more silly nonsense from Georger. Anyone interested in knowing what the flight crew could see or not see from 10,000 feet should take a look at the 8:00 PM weather sequence report for Portland International Airport. Shutter has this report on this site. Georger, here is some basic information for you. Water runs downhill. If Albert Einstein didn't say that then I did. 12/9/19 overcast at 5000 feet and two or three additional cloud layers below that. It is highly unlikely that ............ for any witness on the ground due to the multi layers of clouds in your model. You, have virtually ............ were factually expressing what they experienced, clouds and your layers-of-clouds notwithstanding ? ............ ! The "glow" is not on the ground! It is in the clouds! And water still runs downhill! For Georger's ............ " is a single word. reply> R99: 12/9/19 …THE GLOW IN THE CLOUDS IS ATTACHED TO CITIES ON THE GROIUND 0 ............ crew couldn't see the ground. And except for the clouds, they couldn't see the atmosphere either. This ......

Contradicts ALL of R99's 'testimony' !