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Fronts and backs is military jargon ............. Show us a military instruction manual.Document it.

And ... what would be the purpose or advantage of a 'drag bag' ? 2. Carol measured the amount of cord Cooper cut and used. Its on Tom's site. Is the amount of cord Cooper took, consistent with a drag bag ?

Why didnt Cooper back up and demand the knapsack? He feared further interaction with the authorities? I think the motion of a 'drag bag' is pure Toesawian! Preposterous!

Credibility is not an issue! Please continue at your convenience!

To assess Cooper's survivability we must know where he landed - is anyone going to finally guess where he landed?

If we knew where he landed that might improve the odds of prediction. The piece of the money that exists seems to indicate the money landed safely. But where did it land ? So far, the money has not provided any firm dates to apply . . .

Im dealing with the same kind of 'invention' over at a history site. People dreaming things up or miss-remembering. To make themselves relevant ? To become part of the history? It can get extreme! Like several women reporting their lives at Grant School in 1958 .... turns out they lived in another part of town and went to another grade school so did not even grow up at 'Grant School'! When I pointed this out to one woman she got mad .... people dont like being corrected. Bruce has a bad habit of reporting things before people can even collect their thoughts in order to generate conflict - he did this with Dorwin Schreuder. Once its in the public record it is difficult to undo it, is then repeated endlessly by other media! It takes a generation to undo it!

is Chaucer recovering ?

So far he has the world by the tail............. and he sure as hell is not blind .............. a day later his last 'transaction' may have been to meet somebody in a boat at Tena Bar .......... and off to the next chapter of his life. With the FBI looking for a major career criminal (Hispanic?) of which he is not! The system that beats the system! Actually the system that lets the system beat itself.

Well one could very easily think that! Cooper's tell may be his speech about Tacoma vs Seattle, from the air. He may even know the Portland area - from the air? Hell he may even know Tena Bar! He may even be a member of a long time Washington family - an athlete - who has a grudge about losing the family fortune .... then decides to use his skills as an athlete ............................. meanwhile crazy Flo has everyone looking for Hispanics! ? There seems to be little doubt Ckret found proof the crew could see lights ahead .... and if they could Cooper could.

Excellent. I did a search of my files. Searched here but found nothing ??? The discussion about seeing lights of Portland (Vancouver) ahead occurred at DZ in March of 2009 when Ckret was active ... Ckret may be the source. Let me keep searching but are these old files even available at DZ today ? snowmman Jumps License In sport : : : Mar 29, 2009, 11:24 PM Post #9421 of 24346 (4375 views) Copy Shortcut Registered: Mar 30, 2008 Posts: 4497 Re: [georger] The only thing I could find (re jumping before Columbia) [In reply to] Can't Post In Reply To When Rat says "can SEE the suburbs of Portland ahead" thats very specific to me. Likewise, had not crossed the Columbia yet". But Vancouver is not mentioned so they were close enough for it not to be mentioned OR they were headed at Portland with Vancouver not in their thoughts. Right. Basically we haven't got a clue. We're trying to guess based on Rataczak testimony we don't have (because there is no other data to bound the jump point), and all we have is a couple of short sentences from Ckret. It is unclear whether Ckret had more, or even if Ckret might have editorialized. Note: The comment about the Columbia, as far as Ckret told us, was "felt", not seen. Ckret never described what "felt" was based on. Instruments? Time? Lights of Portland? Unclear. However, there is some other good data we could muse on. Whoever created the flight path, saw fit to put radar ticks after the Columbia. Why? Could also ask why the first radar tick was selected to be 19:54 (it's not at Seattle). Looking at Sluggo's annotated flight path, there are actually more radar ticks that he's not labelled, past the Columbia. I see 20:19, 20:20, 20:21 at least to 20:25 Here's another thing to muse on: The 3 mystery ticks west of the flight path, are on the other side of the Columbia. (This post was edited by snowmman on Mar 29, 2009, 11:24 PM)

Its a well known statement. May be in the flight comms ? Was during Rat's last communication with Cooper. Today some people claim Rat never said it. Finding it would take me a year!

Odds are he probably saw skyglow ahead. If he saw that he knew a large urban area was close by. Rat saw sky glow. Other pilots flying south and landing at nearby airports could see the lights of Vancouver-Portland. What exempts Cooper? We dont know who Cooper was or what his actual knowledge was. He had identified Tacoma from SEA from the air and knew the mileage.... he went into the hijacking with a timeline in mind. He demonstrated flexibility. Did he have a specific plan? Uncertain. But he didnt waste any time leaving the plane before it had crossed PDX. He may have tried to do that. I know you disagree . . . we will probably never know for certain. If Cooper had a local connection he could very easily have vanished and left the area later, never to be seen or heard from again. I have always been suspicious that Cooper had local ties ? He may have even had second thoughts about keeping the money and decided why take the risk of keeping it. I think his hijacking was precisely what he said it was: a grudge. Once the grudge is satisfied why risk anything further .... case closed. I know this is not what a lot of people want to hear!

Fact is I have always supported you. I supported you on Shutter;s site and told people to be tolerant. You have a mastery of files and docs which is far far above anyone else. Other people wouldnt devote the time but you do! If you are looking for praise there it is. Im just being factual.

Thanks! Seems to me we know so little about Cooper it is pointless to say what he knew and didnt know ... or what his intentions were ?

Afraid of what? Why should I be afraid ............ ? More Flyjack psychobabble ....

You know almost nothing about Cooper, his background, etc. Almost literally nothing. The urge to paint Cooper as a nobody, knew nothing even stupid bank robber ... or going to the other extreme (senior manager in specialized metals research in the nuke industry) ... seems to be irresistible. Why does this debate have to wobble between extremes? Cooper solved every problem he encountered and did so easily except for the delay in refueling. He even left himself open tactically which may not have been unintentional. He lulled the pilots to sleep almost literally until they werent even sure where he left! He left everyone empty handed! The urge to paint this guy a common criminal like this or that person may be exactly what he wanted everyone to do! He may have known you better than you know him! Early in his hijacking Cooper made several very decisive evaluations-decisions which framed much of what happened from there on right up to his leaving. That stands out to me.

Well in fact, YOU are irrelevant. You suffer from premature and incomplete .... everything. You and that aside, the issue is WIPING! Using the tie to wipe prints. You posted photos claiming to show it. I couldnt see 'it' because I am too stupid. In the meantime Tom finds zillions of particles some of them rare on the tie. Turns the area around jet engines is a particle rich environment. That includes the air stair area of a 727. Maybe the zillions of particles on the tie is from the tie being used to wipe things down in that area? That might explain all the particles. Lets just say that was your thought all along. Since you are the top thinker in the Cooper case. I am sure you have already suggested this somewhere. Since you are the Cheif Evaluator of Thinking in the DB Cooper case rivaled only by Eric Ulis and Tony Soprano.

Well, you were very intense-certain about your theory. I seem to recall you saying it was OBVIOUS!!!!! the tie showed smearing consistent with wiping. At least as serious as you are now denying ...... it was your idea. I wondered at the time why Kaye had missed what was so obvious to you! You posted several photos documenting your theory. Your claim that I said Cooper used the tie to wipe everything is false, you made it up. I suggested he may have used the tie to try to wipe his prints. Is this a new riddle? "Your claim that I said Cooper used the tie to wipe everything is false, you made it up. I suggested he may have used the tie to try to wipe his prints." Since prints are on surfaces of things, how do you wipe prints without wiping surfaces and areas ...................... Or is this a grift or graft or cock-n-bull ?

Did Cooper swallow? Use his bladder? Walk on to the plane? What will you allow Cooper to be and do ?

Why would "I" make up your posts about using the tie to wipe .................. you posted photos showing what you said is evidence of using the tie to wipe .................... make up your mind ! Nothing you post should be taken seriously.

I thought you said Coop[er wiped his prints off everything, using the tie ? You have changed your mind ?

Dr. Meyer Louie and I went through the dairy runoff settling pond (which is just over the bank from Tena Bar) about 10 years ago with metal detectors Meyer told me about this, at length. Meyer was a dedicated researcher ......... I still have three boxes of sand he collected! I keep them almost as a memorial. FWIW Meyer did extensive searching at the wing dam north of Tena Bar. I know you and Meyer worked closely together. Meyer told me he enjoyed every moment working with you. He had great respect for you.

any approximate dates in this theory ?

I think thats exactly right...