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Was the aviation signal 133.9 ... ssb, fm, am, encrypted ..... what? anyone know? anyone have a photo of the antenna on the 727 ? weather conditions between 305 and receivers at the time ? Any propagation forecast for the period in question ? Any actual quantification for any of this from any source?

Its just typical that you and others continue to wait on Blue Fairy to deliver unto you what you 'demand'. You will stubbornly hold up the whole world to get what you want/demand. In this particular case the world is FULL of vhf aviation experts which nobody apparently has consulted . . . Blue Fairy must deliver what you demand, first and only. Evidently the 133.9 'issue', if it was an issue, was not important enough for controllers, NWO, the FBI,FAA etc ... to get excited about it and issue special alerts. FLIGHT 305 LOST! COMMUNICATION LOST! The issue did not come up during the flight test nor was the issue tested - just for the hell of it. Hmmmmm. So we must wait for Blue Fairy to deliver us .... to a truthful accounting of the DB Cooper case. As Ulis says: "no fucking university lecture" please. We will only accept the transcripts written by and for Blue Fairy.. Blue Fairy is real and has the truth we seek. But will you accept what Blue Fairy delivers? If there even is a Blue Fairy! Probably not.

There is software that might be helpful. Contact the FAA or Mike Stahl K6MYC (M2 Antenna Lab) or any of the vendors who use such software on a daily basis. including Rockwell. This will be rejected - goes without saying. Cooperites rely on wandering in the wilderness ...

Interview with Eric Ulis- featured in DB Cooper, where are you? YouTube·Treasure Warriors·Jul 16, 2022 ONCE UPON A TIME IN COOPERLAND Get ready for a lot of swearing. The real Eric Ulis. How Cooperland has evolved since way back when, when life was simpler ? Opportunities ahead. ?

'for the propagation available at the time' .... what were the specs for that vhf radio and frequency? This is all subjective in any event. No tests were done. No definitive answer is possible now. I dont read Edwards as suggesting anything more than options. He did no tests, was not there, etc. Since when is R99 a VHF radio/propagation expert? Ask 377 or a pilot this question! In fact, ask Mike Stahl K6MYC, KLM/M2 antennas. He's on almost every night at 7150~. He's an antenna and propagation expert for the govt with decades of experience and has run vhf nets for decades - has actual ground based and airline experience. Ask somebody with real credentials that doesnt have a vested interest! Ask R2 directly ? I would give the same advice to Dr Edwards. At the very least you need to know the equipment and propagation specs that were involved on the evening of this event. Im not satisfied that anyone in Cooperland has those specs. The whole issue is people guessing ... The current signal strength for Voyager post heliopause at Goldstone is about .0001 of a billionth of a billion of a watt. If that is helpful. W0CEF ret. [Voyager normally transmits data to Earth over the Deep Space Network Channel 18, at either 2.3 GHz or 8.4 GHz. Transmissions from Earth to Voyager are transmitted at 2.1 GHz.]

Robert you are confused again. What am "I" getting at? Its not me. It's Edwards's latest post. I only directed readers to Edwards latest post. If you have a problem with Edward's post, address him! His name is Edwards. My name is Abdul! We have a FULL MOON TODAY! THE ELECTION WILL BE OVER SOON. HOLD YOUR WATER BOYS AND GIRLS!

Really? Mine was an idle comment. Indeed - get a life. Maybe try a tinfoil room? Apology for living.

Latest from Edwards on radio gap (Transcript): 'We have to conclude that if Flight 305 attempted a transmission on 133.9 mHz, and if it failed to reach the Redmond site, it was not because of the High Cascades, but simply because the airplane was beyond the receiving range of the Redmond site.' https://www.goodreads.com/author_blog_posts/23077271-d-b-cooper-and-flight-305-mount-jefferson-and-the-boone-bridge

When people say 'me and X' vs the correct form: "X and I" it makes me wonder about their educational background as a clue to their research competency ? Any significant deficit has consequences and may show itself in people's work.... like yours. Dont worry Robert. Nothing is going to change. The Vortex is generally immune to change. The radical nonsense will continue so you are safe to kvetch for as long as you live. Only you would bring this up vs presenting real research on a DB Cooper site! That goes to your social priorities and your agenda. That may indicate your work is all fucked up too!

I dont know what your emotional problem is nor do I care - Dont melt the glaciers! Your work in the Cooper Vortex is vital to the survival of the Sinai Script. mosal tov.

Oh good. Cooper was a radio repairman. Do you have his call sign in 1971? Its a small list of people! W0DAN ?

Chaucer is headstrong and doesn't listen. He forgets that Tosaw researched Cooper's LZ extensively, and his divers claimed Tosaw had told them had was working from evidence provided (by his FBI brothers), that Cooper landed in the Columbia. But in reality Tosaw was twisting the facts and never could document a Columbia landing, beyond money being found at Tena Bar. Maj Dawson (and his friends) made a similar claim which Tosaw was aware of. But Dawson backed off backing Tosaw, which basically left Tosaw stranded and a loner. Dawson basically said Cooper had jumped as 305 crossed Hayden Island. Tosaw said 'no' - Cooper jumped closer to Caterpillar Island as 305 crossed the Columbia. Tosaw reasoned that the money defined the jump zone. The logic is that there must be some direct connection between Cooper's LZ and money found at Tena Bar. The reality is: there is no a-priori connection. I also wonder why the FBI never looked at any of the Tena family, given their economic hardship, loss of their land purchased by the Fazio family, and their long history with skiing and possibly sky diving ? They had reason to have a grudge and they were in need of money ? The Cooper money turns up in their own back yard literally ? Chaucer has not specified where Cooper had to jump in order to land anywhere in the Columbia. Unless Chaucer is saying Cooper dropped straight down after leaving 305. ?

Cooper was born and raised at Tina Bar. Part of the Dell Tena family. All athletes - skiers and jumpers. He was brain injured during the jump. He went back to his ole stompin grounds where he had had so much fun growing cabbages as a child and buried 300 bills as an offering to the Cabbage Gods. The evidence shows it. Anyone got a photo of Cooper with a cabbage? Has Ulis had his press conference yet to announce this?

Good points - thanks.

and I am a little concerned that people's recollections/identifications are: all over the map! witness hysteria due to pressure being applied to identify Cooper ? The process is wrong and is generating false responses ? Was he a square, a star, or a circle?

Did a jealousy or competition develop on Flo's part toward Tina, post hijacking ? Tina getting all the attention. Tina wasn't flattering in some of her statements about how Flo handled things ? Does this express itself in Flo's objections to the first sketches ? Was Flo saying she had the only correct description of Cooper? Italian brunet vs. Nordic blonde ? Religious vs. Secular ? Cooper picked Tina and rejected the emotional Flo ? What strong biases developed during this hijacking ? We already know about Rataczak's strong reactions - ... OleMiss ?????

EU and I .... not me and EU.

Why do you care!? You have some vested interest in airport lounge lizards in the Cooper case? That's strange!

Jo Weber was a parasite on the Cooper case. Simple. Nothing she said or did was reliable.

well done - concise - good discussion points! Congrats!

D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the (missing) fourteen minutes interesting interpretation by Dr. Edwards. R99's reply today: Chaucer, please read carefully. The NWA 305 situation was NOT a "no radio" situation. They were apparently not able to raise one station on one frequency. They would certainly not keep trying for 14 minutes. They would go back to the previous controller and he would get the matter straightened out fast. For the record, the FAA does have established procedures for when an aircraft and controllers completely lose the ability to communicate. But that was not the actual case here.

Well then straighten us out Mr. Nicholson. 1. WSHM says 'missing or redacted'. You say 'redacted in order to keep information from the public'. 2. You say the missing info would change the flight path. WSHM doesnt make that claim. Clear it up for everyone, please!

R99 posts at the other forum: Chaucer, the above quote is from your post #8106 above. As I have previously explained, Larry Carr is talking about the ARINC teletype transcripts and NOT the Seattle ATC radio transcripts. The "unreleased comms" Carr mentioned have to include the "missing" teletype transcripts that the WSHM people identified during their study of the George Harrison papers which included a roll of ARINC teletype transcripts related to the hijacking. .................................. Its Seattle ATC radio transcripts vs ARINC teletype transcripts .... and redactions redactions redactions everywhere. R99 has his count. WSHM has another count. Thanks for the clarafacations of clarifications R99 and 9 and 9 and 9, everywhere. Good night Irene.

I think you are right! Valuable distinction. You have a knack for the crucial details ....

Cooper was a scumbag and poor, who needed money, and died in the jump. That may all be wrong. A search was done after the hijacking to try a connect Cooper to motels etc - that came up blank. But what if Cooper was a person of means and had some place in the Portland area to hold up and wait, a place that was warm and dry - as the rubber band facts require ? But, Cooper was gleeful at the sight of $200k brought in in a bag and placed at his feet! Cooper needed money or his defiant confrontation of the government, was working, in the context of massive social turmoil in America 1971 ? I sometimes wonder if the whole focus in the Cooper Vortex has been wrong, as a function of the personalities involved. There are places that FBI 302s will never go or reveal.