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My understanding from H and Jerry Thomas and JT's wife, is that Jo originally claimed Duane 'might be' DB Cooper, not that he was. That began the period where Jo conjured up a case claiming real evidence, but that took at least a year. During that period H diverted Jo to Jerry Thomas and his wife with countless phone calls passing back and forth, many of the calls recorded. All of the internet versions of Weber's story omit this important factual history! It took Jo several years to make up a case. During that whole period her claim was that Duane 'might be' DB Cooper, not that he was! Jo even explained her motive: she was beginning a realty business and wanted to use the DB Cooper angle as advertising.The factual distinction is crucial to the Weber story, but historians socalled always leave that factual documented history out. The whole thing has been an Internet travesty. Go back and read JT's posts about this here at DZ. The Weber story should never have achieved the attention and the traction it got - on the Internet.

How is the hair mounted? Is the hair sample permanently mounted on a single slide? Or between two slides? Under a cover glass? Cemented in place re- balsam cement ? Can the hair be removed? Has the hair sample been contaminated? . . . . . any photos? Where is it located today? The last date the hair was tested? Does the hair have a root? Beyond hair colour is anything known about this hair?

Have you made up your mind? Here are your previous statements on this matter. Keeping track of you is pointless and a full time job! R99 replied to Quade June 5, 2011: ..You apparently don't seem to understand that the weather in the Portland area at the time of the jump consisted of several cloud layers plus a complete overcast. Cooper could not see even the lights of Portland when he jumped. Regardless of the parachute's color, it would not be overly visible... R99 replied to Quade ...The quote in Nuttall's book only addresses the fact that there was a dense cloud cover and overcast that prevented the airliner, flying at about 10,000 feet, from even seeing a "cloud glow" from those two cities. The ground conditions are meaningless in this case. However, the cloud layers , or...July 6, 2011 Robert99 replied...the airliner was above an overcast and several cloud layers when it passed through the Portland area. The people on the airliner could not see the ground. And vice-versa, the people on the ground could not see the airliner. The Janet story, and other such claims, are nonsense.February 6, 2012 Robert99 replied...I have looked down at night time through clouds at quite a few areas of light glow, coming from various cities, over the last 50+ years. Nevertheless, the flight crew of the hijacked airliner said that the overcast and several layers of clouds below them that night were so thick that they could not see the light glow from the Portland and Vancouver areas." I have no idea where Robt99 got this statement on behalf of the whole "f...May 21, 2012 . Robert99 replied.: " the flight crew of the hijacked airliner said that the overcast and several layers of clouds below them that night were so thick that they could not see the light glow from the Portland and Vancouver areas." I have no idea where Robt99 got this statement on behalf of the whole "flight crew”. It’s ridiculous or something he made up. ...May 22, 2012 R99 12/9/19: There was an overcast at 5000 feet and two or three additional cloud layers below that. It is highly unlikely that Cooper could see any land marks on the ground under those weather and night time conditions. For large cities, Cooper may have been able to see the "glow" from the city lights but he would not be able to determine any land marks. Robert99 replied...there where DEFINITE openings when Cooper could have got a casting of lights below the clouds . Witnesses just East of Heisson and North of Heisson - (four of them) said the PLANE was very low and the man claimed to see a shadow in above the cloud level. I think he could hear and was looking in th... May 15, 2013 Robert99 replied...There is mention in the weather hourly sequence reports of about three cloud layers with the top one being an overcast at 5000 feet. Such stable cloud layers support the existence of a stable ..air mass in general, that is, only minimal turbulence. The only other turbulence producing capability i... June 21, 2013 Robert99 replied...There were several cloud layers with an overcast reported at 5000 feet. Visibility at Portland was about 10 miles and there were light rain showers in the area. Himmelsbach's book states that the airliner was at 10,000 feet and in heavy rain at the time Cooper jumped. Recently, Rataczak (the c... August 15, 2013 Robert99 replied...if you think Cooper is going to locate his position by a glimpse through an overcast and two or three additional cloud layers in the middle of the night and while in the middle of nowhere, then I can only conclude that you do not have a realistic understanding of the situation that Cooper was in at...February 1, 2014 Robert99 replied...but the airliner was above several cloud layers and an overcast so that the river could not have been seen visually. In addition, the airliner was only over the river proper for a few miles (at more than three miles per minute groundspeed) so the probability of Cooper landing in water deliberately is zero... September 20, 2014 R99: August 20, 2018, 12:19:47 PM » ..... feet and above an overcast and several additional cloud layers, it is highly unlikely that Rataczak could ............ lying when they apparently could see through the clouds and see the lights of Portland ? I’m waiting on ............ answer ! R99: 6/17/19 There is no way that Cooper could have known his location, even approximately, after the airliner took off from Seattle and climbed above the clouds into the night sky. So when Cooper did jump, he had no way of determining what was below him until he was below the lowest cloud level in a pitch black night. R99 7/11/19 The atmosphere at Portland at the time of Cooper's jump was approximately two percent more dense than the standard atmospheric model. This is due to above standard sea level pressure and below standard temperature at both sea level and 10,000 feet. $ 9/16/19 Georger, You posted several weeks ago that you had "experts" working on the placard problem and that they would expose EU and myself as frauds. Please hurry up and post their results. I can't hold my breath much longer waiting for the shoe to drop. 12/1/19 Once the airliner climbed out of SEATAC and got above the clouds and overcast, there is absolutely no way that Cooper could have known his geographical location within 20 or 30 miles. His obvious intent was to jump near Seattle shortly after take off but that didn't work out. So Cooper was jumping blind and had no idea of the landscape or elevation of the terrain that was under him when he jumped. $ 12/2/19 Hell yes! Do you understand that Cooper blowing up the airliner could result in the deaths of not just the flight crew but a lot of people on the ground from the falling debris? This is probably the main reason that the flight crew would NEVER fly over the city of Portland when they could easily stay west of Portland and shorten their flight route by a few miles and a minute or two of time. Anyone who suggests that the flight path showing the airliner flying over Portland is correct doesn't understand what was happening! $ 12/4/19 Nicky, that simply won't fly. Cooper couldn't see the ground in the first place, and you can't tell the wind direction by just dropping something out of an airplane. $ 12/5/19 Basically, the problem with the Janet claim of flares is that they would be above an overcast and cloud layers as far as Janet was initially concerned and Cooper would not be able to see them when they went below the overcast $ 12/7/19 This is just more silly nonsense from Georger. Anyone interested in knowing what the flight crew could see or not see from 10,000 feet should take a look at the 8:00 PM weather sequence report for Portland International Airport. Shutter has this report on this site. Georger, here is some basic information for you. Water runs downhill. If Albert Einstein didn't say that then I did. 12/9/19 overcast at 5000 feet and two or three additional cloud layers below that. It is highly unlikely that ............ for any witness on the ground due to the multi layers of clouds in your model. You, have virtually ............ were factually expressing what they experienced, clouds and your layers-of-clouds notwithstanding ? ............ ! The "glow" is not on the ground! It is in the clouds! And water still runs downhill! For Georger's ............ " is a single word. reply> R99: 12/9/19 …THE GLOW IN THE CLOUDS IS ATTACHED TO CITIES ON THE GROIUND 0 ............ crew couldn't see the ground. And except for the clouds, they couldn't see the atmosphere either. This ......

Contradicts ALL of R99's 'testimony' !

Who knows - Grey invented things.

Old posts reflect that we had five retired Marine ordinance people examine Tina's testimony. Two things stood out from Tina's testimony. The wiring was correct and it would have worked like a real bomb. Based on that two of the guys built and tested the device based on Tina's description . At an ordinance site. It worked.

Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries December 9, 2022 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the oscillations and the pressure bump (revisited) "It was very dark, with virtually no ground reference except when we got in the Portland area" (Second Officer, 2014). Implicitly, there is some visibility of ground in the Portland area; we do not know whether the crew considers Vancouver, Washington, as part of the Portland area. (Referring to the bump or the report of the bump) "They had not yet reached Portland proper but were definitely in the suburbs or immediate vicinity thereof" (First Officer, 1971.) To me, "Portland proper" means old Portland, the area bounded by the I-5 and the I-405; and the "suburbs" mean Northeast Portland and St. Johns; but they do not include Vancouver. This sounds like they have crossed the Columbia River. " At 2018 PST +/- 30 seconds, Flight 305 passes the position 23 nautical miles south of the Battle Ground VORTAC on the Victor 23 airway. It is now south of Lake Oswego and approximately abeam Tualatin, Oregon. Backtracking from this point at three nautical miles per minute: Flight 305 begins its crossing of the Columbia at approximately 2013 PST. "

Because R99 and Ulis want to go there and dig the whole county up .... and claim the land as abandoned since Soderlin was MIA. ?

The city across the river from Portland is: Vancouver. Two FBI agents there at the time. The Ingram find was technically in their jurisdiction. They had not yet reached Portland proper but were definitely in the suburbs or immediate vicinity thereof" (First Officer, 1971.) In other words, Rataczak didnt know what was Vancouver vs Portland! The suburbs of Vancouver are: the northern climes of Vancouver. Vancouver is not the suburbs of Portland or Mexico City either. And Earth is the third planet from the Sun! There is Rataczak Company speak vs language for the rest of the US population? ! Rataczak was weird! Rataczak was playing a role! Rataczak was busy being busy ? Rataczak barely knew where he was except in general terms somewhere north maybe of Portland maybe ! Which is north of Mexico City on the third planet from the Sun. Soderlin was "missing in action" according to R99. MIA Soderlin got the whole flight path wrong according R99. Which is north of Mexico City on the third planet from the Sun.

Any sem photos of these crucial particles? Does Tom say the TiSb specimen is an alloy? What process and type of alloy? Any isotopic work on these particles ? Are any of these 'particles' machined? What "process" are these 'particles' associated with? What is Tom's role in all of this ? Any sand particles associated with the Columbia on the Cooper tie? Are all of these rare particles being picked up at one location or from multiple locations ? I guess some have decided its from one location ? The TiSb alloy location ? What happened to Kaye's friend, the materials expert Dick Stone? Is he still onboard or long gone?

I tend to agree. Those particles did not come from a clean lab environment! Unless it was a lab in Moscow!

Once again you rise to the occasion. Kudos!

Very good point finally brought up! Yes the tie was tested by the Lab. More than once? Any 302s about testing the tie? Was the tie contaminated by Lab testing .... like the money was? Testing is one thing. Destructive testing is a whole different matter.

The Facebook group is a closed page! Nicky Broughton and Ulis have kept people off 'their page' - intentionally. Thats a first in the history of Cooper forums. People condemn Ulis and Broughton for a reason! That is the opposite of keeping the case in the public eye and it has complicated everything. keeping the case in the public eye "is" as keeping the case in the public eye "does". There have been very negative consequences of their actions, and they know and intended that. These are political deniers. The Cooper case is bigger and more important than any individual. Nobody can own or control the case for very long. Every attempt to take over the case has failed and always will. Flyjack, Tom Kaye, Darren, and the FBI's continuing effort have probably done more to keep this case alive than most others, in the current regime. Tom Kaye's work has been central above and beyond anything I envisioned. It takes "tools and training" to move a case beyond speculation to actual investigation.

The idea that Cooper was part of some skydiver community has never borne fruit. Did Cooper ever say or do anything that tied him to sky divers? On the other hand Cooper did say he had a grudge. That is personal - political. Cooper told Tina Minnesota was 'nice land' ? Evidently Cooper had visited MN ? Did he visit Wisconsin? If the FBI had searched political organisations in Minnesota or Wisconsin, especially political groups affiliated with anti Vietnam activities like the SDS .... would they have turned Cooper up there? It seems reasonable to search for people where people say they have been ? Tina was probing for personal information about the hijacker and she snagged one lead. * Did Tina snag more!? Things redacted or missing ? Speculate away.

If I recall, the terms Cooper used in his chute demand were more military terms vs skydiver community terms. The FBI conducted an intense search of skydiver communities. The lack of prints for Cooper made a search of military records, useless What Meltzer would do vs what Cooper did, arent even comparable imho. How many known skydivers have hijacked planes? Any? Was McCoy a "skydiver" - part of the skydiver hobby community ? No. People like to compare Cooper with McCoy - why? I dont think they are even comparable, or, we have no basis for comparing them for the simple reason we dont know who and what Cooper was! One might as well compare scooters with Cadillacs. Both have a motor and wheels - what does that get us? They arent in the same class - we dont even know what class Cooper is part of! We dont know what class his actions and words fit into! People can make comparisons but what has that exercise ever got us? Nothing.

Exactly! ................ hmmmmmmmmmm. Any idea how any chutes Cossey packed or repacked in a given year .... during 1971 ? When did he pack and certify Hayden's chutes? Would he even remember without looking at his records? I assume he had to keep records?

Unreal but not too surprising if true. By the time they got around to testing (2000s) many people had examined and touched the tie .... the good news its not 40 or 400 donors! 14 donors! Im betting there were multiple tests due to the first result. Thanks! All male! Cooper's girlfriend not there!!! Glitter, sparkle, lipstick .... but no dna!

Does anyone know the number of donors found in Q40/41 combined?

Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries December 5, 2022 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: the Soderlind saga Reconstrucion of different versions of a Cooper LZ by Soderlind.

I have been biased toward #1 all along. As for option 2, no way to know what Cooper's experience was with jumping, or pressure events when leaving planes .... as per 377's comment years ago that all skydivers are familiar with the 'whoosh' and pressure events when leaving planes ?

If by fruitless you mean it wont go back to Cooper and who he was - where he came from .... I agree. Cooper gave no manifesto to be traced. No letters to the editor... no personal letters, no research or school papers, no love letters, no letters home if in service, ................. that we know of.

Robert H. Edwards's Blog: Great 20th century mysteries December 4, 2022 D. B. Cooper and Flight 305: “no funny stuff” Edward's British take on Cooper's language. Interesting. "Get the show on the road" .... origin? Chicago circus culture .... a phrase that becomes part of the American lexicon used throughout the Midwest dialect ? How do Cooper's and McCoy's speech patterns compare ?

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