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I knew Sluggo. He told me he had no idea what you were claiming and the basis of your claims! I asked him about your redactions claim... "It's a mystery to me what he's basing that on. There could be lot of reasons." Later I asked him what he thought about WSHM's redactions claims vs yours. Wayne replied: "They are different claims, as I read them. WSHM says there could be something else going on ...." So play it again Sam. We know your tap-dance by heart. When you get some real evidence let the world know. For the umpteenth time with you, let me QUOTE WSHM on the topic if socalled redactions. WSHM actually says, quote: Finding no. 1 – In a comparison of entries from both ARINC roll A and roll B, and the public released ATC transcript [2013.5.15.5] between the timestamp entries from 4:45 pm (PST) to 8:24 PM (PST), inclusive, there were found to be eight (8) areas of missing, or redacted, teletype print copy, with each area made up of one or more individual “blocks” or entries of text, discovered in roll A: Flight data recorded in the ARINC teletype printouts may possibly be useful in reference to the outbound flight path of NW flight 305, with the focus on timestamp entries from 4:45 PM (PST) to 8:24 PM (PST) deliberately examined for this purpose. Amen. You claimed number of 'redactions' far exceeds WSHM's.

WSHM could have done this years ago but demurred for some reason, just as they demurred from taking a position in the West path debate. Likewise they demurred from certifying your claim of redactions. WSHM has always followed a non-controversial middle road when it comes to their Cooper expertise. They apparently favor claiming experetise but do not wish to test anything, which at a blush is kind of 'cheesy' ! Their interests stop at the river's edge lest they get their feet wet... which is funny. Better to let someone else take the heat! And you certainly have done that for them even though you are not a spokesman for WSHM, you have spoken for them and made claims for them "many many many" times! Maybe you and WSHM need to counsel and decide who is what and which and speaking for ........ whom and for whatever ? It has become an open issue and very humerous between you and WSHM ! Are you on WSHM's Board of Directors? Yes or No ? Do you speak for WSHM? Someone make up their minds!

In the above, a discussion about Cooper $20 dollar bills being found (in the Washougal!) is being discussed openly over CB radio - with a potential wide CB audience ! A full year before Cooper money is found at Tina Bar in February 1980. Somebody in the Portland office was made aware and informed the Seattle office who investigated ? Either the alleged conversations over CB radio took place as reported, or they didn't ! Why would anybody be talking about this in April 1979? Why would the subject even come up by whom? It's one helluva a coincidence if nothing else. Is Himmelsbach the author of this 'coincidence' ? Were the Ingrams cb'ers? People at Wilhelm trucking in Portland were. Cb radio in those days was a network with some broadcasting on 11 meters at 1500 watts with stacked yagi arrays. It was common for people broadcast internationally on 11 meters, despite FCC restrictions. Cooper himself said his bomb was electronic and might be set off by radio transmissions... 'just so you are aware'! CB radio was everywhere with a very wide daily audience. Anyone using CB radio knew that. An audience was all but guaranteed. The venerable Tempo-One.

I had a former Portland Agent check the Washougal pages out - here are his comments: OK, here’s what I get from the attached documents: They are all teletypes – because they require immediate investigation on a priority matter. Notice that they are informational, but are not detailed information or direct quotes from the source, so they are not 302’s. A 302 will have the form number on it, with a space at the bottom that will have the initials of the person who typed it, and the Agent who dictated it. Depending on the Agent, many of us would identify ourselves in the first paragraph so that the reader, (US Atty, court etc.) would know who was writing it. A 302 will only pertain to information observed by the Agent, or the results of an interview. That restriction makes them suitable to be introduced into court as evidence. They will not contain directions or leads for another office/location. A cover letter, similar to the teletypes would be sent with the 302. The first teletype (attachment) is from Portland to Seattle and to Cleveland. It’s basic purpose is to find out who these CB guys are. So Seattle is directed to go to the sawmill at Auburn and find out who is bringing in 20 loads from the Washougal area. Cleveland is directed to contact the owner of the radio call letters who lives in Ohio. Cleveland responds back by teletype and basically says the CB guy doesn’t know what the hell they are talking about because he hasn’t even been to Montana since the distant past. One must conclude that the original source overheard the call letters incorrectly, or that the person being overheard fraudulently used the letters of someone else to avoid paying the license fee. Your attachments didn’t contain the results or reply from Seattle. If Seattle obtained additional information, they would write another message to the Agents serving Washougal ( The Vancouver WA resident agency), and direct them to interview the log truck driver. Portland would probably not even be given a copy of that communication unless there was more required in Portland. The way the communication system was set up, they tried to avoid excess paper and communications to file. If it didn’t concern an outside office or require additional work there, they weren’t included. This is typical of the frustrating dead ends, and ultimately useless effort that goes in to major investigations. You open a can of worms, and what crawls out isn’t even worms. So you have to clear the air of the static and focus only on your original intent or you get lost and overwhelmed with irrelevant information. I’m confident that issue was resolved, but the result would most likely be confined to the Seattle Office, possibly with copies to FBIHQ in Wash D.C. By the way, the initials at the bottom of the page of the T Types would be the supervisor who signed out the teletype. At that time, all priority matters, because they were suppose to require the receiving agents to drop everything and cover the lead immediately, had to be approved by a squad supervisor. I hope this clears up some of the questions. Regards,

The person pictured is Wayne Walker. aka Sluggo.

Thanks. Talked to two Portland agents today - They want to see these pages ... but, a former friend of H says he remembers the 'situation' involving the CB guys. He thinks it got referred to Seattle? .... 'H always felt Cooper had landed close to the Washougal and went that direction to follow the roads south. When money was found a year later on the Columbia the Washougal came up again! Ralph grinned... '

what Part or Parts do these come from ?

Much depends on what the FBI wants to do! They could suck up to Ulis and use him, then let the clock run, then drop him or trade him for a can of chicken soup when the time comes. In any event: sooner or later its Ulis who ? Ulis needs to find another career! After the last one and the one before that . . . How about a cooking show? Chef Ulinaise ? Or cats ? Or grapes and watermelons ? Or Alligators? Or Skin Walker Ranch? Searching for Cleopatra and the Lost Arc of the Covenant ? He can sue Egypt and Israel for hiding evidence ..

Hilarious! The ever-vigilent news media is right on Ulis' tail feathers, following his every stunt in the Cooper Thunderdome.

During his conversations with Tina Cooper references 'a place you would like', MN is nice land', ... places he's been and seen. Part of this is the affect of stress. His mind is wandering and he is referencing 'better times and places' and serenity from his background. Your references to other hijackers above are very interesting! People's personal backgrounds and hopes and dreams leak through when under stress... investigators may have missed this when questioning Tina.

Titanium Alloys - SAFETY DATA SHEET The tie particles raise possible occupational disease issues when coupled with smoking, and the basis for a grudge, and the need for money.( medical expenses + living expenses etc). Central is Cooper's occupational identity. H catagorised Cooper as a 'food service worker', so maybe the tie didnt belong to Cooper at all but was borrowed. Apparently there is no testimony by anyone who saw Cooper taking the tie off and placing it on the seats where found ? But, the particles on the tie raise occupational health and safety issues, for whomever owned it? For example, the tie does not match what one would find if Cooper's occupational exposure had been 'agricultural'.

What is Doubty? doubty (obsolete) Dubious, doubtful. What is Pouty. annoyed or easily becoming annoyed, especially when you show this by pushing your lips forward: Behind the facade of self-confidence, there is a complicated person, all pouty and petulant and racked with doubt and anxiety. Its all subjective, in any event. Especially when some try to use this as a window into Cooper's soul or background. Skilled vs unskilled. Professional vs amateur. (Carr) By his own words Cooper was dubious and doubtful that there weren't sky marshals on the flight. And he was annoyed by the prospect, unwilling to accept anyone's word. Is Florence trying to look into Cooper's soul ? Do any of her fine distinctions really matter? There is no photograph of Cooper to compare with!

The first mass spectrometer - originally called a parabola spectrograph - was constructed in 1912 by J.J. Thomson, best known for his discovery of the electron in 1897. So, between 1971-80 the FBI Lab had some form of mass spectrometry in its repertoire with which to look at DB Cooper case evidence. No Agent or Case Manager however, apparently ever asked for such an analysis - why would they if they didnt even know about such things - so for example tie particles were never envisioned as having any value in the Cooper case nor was any work done to look at the Cooper tie until the 2000s. So far as the case is concerned the tie might as well have not existed! Today, everyone is aware of forensic evidence in criminal cases but the majority of people are not experts. The majority of people dont know how to use or interpret forensic evidence because they simply lack the background. That does not stop some people from using or mentioning forensic evidence, as if they were experts! It is an embarrassing situation which inevitably leads to a breakdown in communications. It usually takes years to resolve such issues. Case evidence fades away into oblivion.

Back in the day, cigs were sold at all VA facilities eg VA Hospital commissaries. Raleighs were often featured because of promotions. Sometimes 13 cents a pack or even $1.30 per carton. Other brands .25 per pack. $2.50 per carton. I know because I worked in several research labs housed at VA Hospital Iowa City during that period. Raleighs were heavily promoted vs other brands. The same at military bases. Almost everybody smoked including doctors ... cigs were sold at commissaries on State and University properties and on military bases. The whole US economy was different back then vs today! People's economic outlook was different back then - that is one reason why Cooper asking 200k stands out vs just a few years later. Cooper was part of the old WWII economy vs just a decade later after the mid 70s Arab Oil Embargo sent the US and world economy into recession. The world economy literally changed just a few years after 1971-72 The middle 70s changed the world economy-politics ushering in Reaganism and we still havent recovered! Cooper's grudge had to be political. There is no escaping that!

Not sure what he was saying. He didnt elaborate. Detonators are Emf/static sensitive inside an airplane? ? Like special optical effects inside an airplane (Blevins claim) ? What did he have in mind? They were flying through rain ....

So the FBI did not check Hahneman. Nobody thought of him. His prints were not on file. His familial dna is not in the system today? . . . . .

Interesting. So a well known guy everyone knows, conducted the Cooper hijacking. He has balls .... or is an idiot!

AI could kill off the internet, not knowing if things posted are from real people or AI clones ! Your post could be an AI bot ! Is Flyjack an AI bot ?

Likewise, Im sure. Whatever he said! Any thoughts on how matter came into being and which Angel rules Earth? Can you divulge a name ?

The Cooper case is in a Cooper traffic jam. A literal stand off. Until that is solved, nothing can or will happen. And you are part of the traffic jam. You wont relent or move your damned car! My guess is, something will have to move it for you! The road block isnt going to fix itself. Attitudes is how and why it happened in the first place! Nothing I can do about it - Im just a spectator. Communication about the Cooper case has broken down completely. Flyjack, you may think you have more case-knowledge than anyone else, but the fact is there is no way on Earth to test it! That much is abundantly clear. The case has become nothing more than one person's speculation heaped on the next persons, with no way to resolve anything. The word for this is: gridlock. The competing forces that started back in 2008 have reached gridlock. When you run out of food for whatever reason, Simon says: go to the store !

Nonesense. Pro tip? They and them ? Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Carr was a child when the butts were lost etc! Your sermon is illogical. You're just making a meaningless stir ...

Should SETI join the search for Cooper - waiting for signals from TK/Ulis/Broughton/Carr ! It may take an act of Congress to get the case restarted with funding ? Which is exactly what Ulis wants! Follow the money.

Im totally serious. The Cooper case has been hijacked by people with an agenda. It's made worse by the fact there are zero resources available to do better. There isnt even a plan to try and do better. I think these people would be satisfied to see the status quo going for the next 50 years! The case is in gridlock.

what are your credentials? what is "top notch" dna? Better than "bottom drawer" dna ?

So you and Elvis are dna techs? What lab did you guys work in? Should a new expert other than Tom be involved? I mean there are plenty of other dna experts available - ? Tom had his chance! Time to move on. Its time for new blood! Its time for some new cards in this game! Cooper Casino Manager pleeaz! Bring me a fresh drink and some NEW cards pleez ! A new dealer wouldn't hurt. Why dont we get a lab WOMAN involved in this case! Let the women have a chance - maybe they wont screw up as much ? A woman might bring a whole different set of attitudes to this case?