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'Aviation people' were not in charge. Thus no redundancy. In fact, reverse redundancy. Your profile of Cooper not to mention the actual sequence of events, is spot on (so far as we can know.) And it matches 1:1 the observations of others here a year and a half ago. So now that we have established that Cooper did not survive, where did he not survive? G.

Glad you appreciate a little humor. That same thought has not escaped many people's attention. When one makes large claims one had better be prepared ....... to move to Argentina or take up residence in a shelter.

I just got a search warrant from 377 and will be at your place at 4:00am sharp. G.

I stand corrected, your honor. The warrant is for a search. Correct. Since you're on duty (at the bench, so to speak) that's what I meant. Well G, you need to get your shit straight! Do you want a bench warrant or a search warrant? I want a search warrant, your honor. Fine. Granted. Come in close. (whispering) 'My backhoe rents for $100 an hour. Can you be done by five?'

The come-on was all in Schafner's mind - her nature/ nervous nature. Christiansen/his brother had to advertise themselves to gain attention - that's an automatic no-no. Im all for bringing in the dozer and some diggers - turn the cabin inside out, Vern. The pre-publication claims are enough to get a bench warrant. Shits and giggles all day.

How do the authors quantify their 90-95% certainty about Christiansen being Cooper? Where are the metrics? I thought that would bring Snowmman into the fray, but it takes better bait than that apparently. I'll have to recruit some Icelandic girls to the forum. That'll get Snow out of his cave. 377 Now that is a great thought: Icelandic girls would rate Christiansen at 30-35% certainty. Hungarian girls at 3-4% certainty. Israeli girls 0% certainty. American girls 70-80% certainty, for 24 hours only or until the enxt cell phone call. Chinese girls know he wasnt Cooper - 0%. Japanese girls - 100% certainty he was Cooper.

So the training question is: what would the real Cooper look like, how would one recognise him, how might he surface in the course of daily events, what would trigger your suspicion, and what would you do about it if anything and when?

Ok will check it out.

Here’s an e-mail I received today: Oh Goodie! Fresh meat on Survivor Cooper.

I was wondering when this would come up. It is avoided, of course. In the end, the Mothership or a Soviet submarine lost it there.

I agree with Orange1 and georger, it would be GREAT to have an impartial, objective fact-checker… but how does one go about locating such a person. I feel like I started out that way (when I started my web-site and associated blogs etc.), but soon I started interacting with the information and personalities, so I no longer can claim to be truly “unbiased”. It would have to be someone who has no knowledge of NORJAK in the beginning. IMHO, a person like that wouldn’t be very dedicated. That part is easy. Within the FBI itself. They are the only people in position to do it, working with outside resources of course, who are *very* objective, like an historian or two. I have large faith in the younger generations because I have seen them on the firing lines. There are younger well educated people in the FBI who would love this task and do an excellent job. It would be great service. G.

I recieved a photo from Lyle showing his brother and "some friends" - but it did not mean anything to me. Frankly I could not even figure out which one was Christiansen. Back when all of this happened I talked to Lyle and it resulted in the photo he sent me along with a nice letter. VERY convenient someone finding 2000 dollars in 20's in the yr of 2001. Interesting as in the summer and fall of 2001 news stories and newpaper articles made the head lines in WA. regarding another suspect. The Oregonian and another newpaper did intense articles in the area. Just the media activity regarding Cooper about that time - means an unusual find of $20 bills would have been investigated. 2001 someone living in WA finding $2000 in 20's and NOT checking them against the Cooper records would be an IDIOT! If the story is true, one would have thought they would have at least photographed the found money or the bank would have made note of this...old money. Frankly, I thought when someone exchanged old damaged money they had to record the serial numbers or take photographs. everything you say is true. Maybe the money was drug money.

I'm keeping an open mind, and I agree with Sluggo that we should be talking about other suspects. Suspects or aspects? What this case has needed for some time is an historian. A fact checker. A real historian, neutral but thorough. Perhaps the FBI is already working on this. Meanwhile here is some Christiansen history the new authors dont talk about or dismiss. This is actual history not open to conjecture. There is more history the authors are conveniently not mentioning/examining, for the sake of a book. "We've been waiting all week for word of the success or failure of New York magazine's sort-of maybe kinda identification of Lyle Christiansen as D. B. Cooper - who has become something of an American myth since he hijacked a Northwest plane in 1971 and made off with $200,000. So far we've gotten not much: "Bonney Lake residents doubt their neighbor Christiansen was D. B. Cooper," says the AP today. The suspect's brother, Lyle Christiansen of Minnesota, really really wanted Nora Ephron to direct the movie but of course she didn't even return his letters. (Just like that Eminem song Stan.) But how reliable a narrator is Lyle? In order to send Ephron the letter, he paid a gumshoe $495 to find her address. Really, how can one rely on the word of a man who can't figure out how Whitepages works?" Promotions beget promotions. There were no promotions on 11-24-71 when a handful of agents and officers were ready and willing to end Cooper's life at the order. Get real Orange.

Georger, while I may not be as scientifically-minded as you, I still remain open to Christiansen. There is a lot about the story that makes sense. Carr dismissed him on physical description. We've spoken before about issues like difficulty judging height while seated, disguise ability etc. As well as the unreliability of sketches. Anyway since when is Cooper definitively "greek"?! The cache of $20s is an interesting angle... though of course unprovable one way or the other as serial numbers were not collected on them. The interesting bit to me - the one that has been mentioned before - is the house purchase for cash way in excess of his salary. He knew the airlines - we have had a discussion before about how would Cooper have known about that particular flight ref the schedules; and he had jump experience. If he had a grudge, it makes a lot more sense that a NWA employee directly acts against the company as opposed to some of the other extremely fanciful and far-fetched notions on the "grudge" that we have heard from certain others. To my mind the thing most arguing against him, is the fact that someone might have recognised him. I'm keeping an open mind, and I agree with Sluggo that we should be talking about other suspects. Hi Orange. For me its the difference between evidence and anecdote. You can stack anecdotes to the ceiling, but then when examined each anecdote in turn is based on flawed facts or assumptions, and the like. Yes. "Carr dismissed him on physical description." and what does this mean? It probably includes dna profile. Where is dna from Christiansen that matches the partials the FBI has? The day you see the FBI or Treasurey or someone else excavating the Bonney Lake cabin sight and turning the cabin inside out, then you have cause to wonder. And we would need no "book" to speculate. Another tipoff for me is the article writer's attitude. He scoughs at the FBI PDF's handed out. Does he or his colleague have an PDF's to hand out, that matter? The whole modus operendi of the writers smacks of Dvorak-Myers over again. It usually the same profile. And profiles matter. Let's hope Im wrong.

I have expected this. Why? (a) So far as the public image is concerned Christiansen is seen as least vetted by the FBI. That's an open door for sleuth dreamers. This will develop into another contest between the FBI and sleuth conspiracy makers. (b) Its easy to turn a Norwegian into a Greek. All you do is give him a tan and dye his hair. Tummy tuck, jowl shrink, and belly button move. Ear replacement. Lips? It suffices to say you can turn a Homo Habilis into a Wall Street Broker ... in a book of fiction. (c) These writer guys are forensically challenged! (d) People find buried money every day. (e) Christiansen's letters. "Hey Mom. Thanks for the colaches. I'm Jessie James. Send fudge and more money, and my spurs."

I have reprimanded vacuum tubes. They share some traits with light bulbs. Does that count Georger? You know, 6146s, 807s, 813s. You were right. It had no effect on transconductance, emission or any other measurable parameter. Cathode poisoning is immune to entreaties. The gambler playing with other peoples money is an interesting analogy. I had never looked at it that way. We simply need to walk out of the casino. 377 I need two matched 6146B's. Got any!?

Im sorry to disagree but I think you made a fundamental error in your assesment of Jo. There wont be any bed of regret for Jo to lie in. Jo has no regrets and never will. She has already been in the bed of her chosing for years, and she likes it! Jo is a compulsive gambler, Sluggo. What Jo calls hope is merely another wager in an endless line of wagers which have little or no cost to her. Her wagers only cost others! The tipoff is what Duane himself said and I believe there is a seed of truth in this, whatever he actually was referring to on his deathbed. He said "Let it go!" according to Jo. It may not have had anything to do with the Cooper case but the admotion was real in reference to Jo and it refers to Jo whatever else was involved. Duane knew Jo! Duane was telling Jo to stop gambling. She didnt. She can't. Jo is an addicted personality. Jo's whole Cooper story(stories) is a wager. Beyond that it doesnt really matter what Duane was all about or involved in. We know Duane could not possibly have been Cooper, but Jo Weber will continue to make wagers on the premise he was just to feed her own habit, until the day she drops. So it is impossible to be disappointed in Jo or warn or remand her. One might as well warn and remand a light bulb. Enough said on this very long tiresome worn out topic. Take care. Dont take any more wooden nickles. I have a whole collection! G.

No Georger it is not sad - because I have followed my convictions. It has been costly but not all is lost...there is always HOPE. That's what Custer said.

I just think the whole thing is sad. sad, sad. According to Sluggo's report ... Happy Meals are just around the corner. Yippee for the Yuppies! Anyone seen Big Toe? Hope is always around the corner. Skidilie Divie too. Wouldnt you!? G.

Although I made a vow to my self to no longer contribute to this way-off topic thread, I feel compelled to comment because it may shed some light on the whole "negative proof" mess. Particularly compelled because of my good and righteous screen name being used here. The nerve of you, Sluggo, so slyly getting me to comment. I understand Sluggo's "proving a negative" concept, and I agree with the near impossibility Has nothing to do with any of the above. You people are piss-poor detectives. The Weber case is clear and distinct, stands on its own merits, and is totally unrelated to the DB Cooper case. Totally unrelated! All that is involved here is emotional investment, egos, people's reputations, and the like. Meanwhile the DB Cooper case stands untouched, unresolved. Logical entanglement has nothing to do with it. Its emotional entanglement on the part of people who cant detach from their personal past. In the meantime we are all hostage to the situation. So don't expect any progress.

Jo, Do you even understand the term “negative hypothesis”? Basically, it is an attempt to gather data that demonstrates that something ISN’T a particular thing. Scientifically, it is impossible to prove unless ALL data is gathered, and ALL data can never be gathered (as long as the world hasn’t ended yet). I can’t prove that you AREN’T a man. I may not have any evidence (data) that you ARE a man, but I can’t prove that you AREN’T. Your lack of understanding this basic principle of scientific (critical) thinking is one of the things that annoy the hell out of most of the posters here. You are driven by your beliefs… I admire that… but DON”T EVER mistake your beliefs for scientific thought. Also, you select data that supports your claims (beliefs) and reject data that does not support your claims. It is a natural human tendency, but not scientific. The scientific process dictates that you gather all the data you can, plot it out and see if a pattern (curve) develops. You DO NOT plot out a pattern and then gather the data that fits the plot (rejecting the data that doesn’t). If you could overcome this shortcoming (as I see it), people (here) would take you more seriously. To illustrate my point: Why don’t you develop an argument proving that Guru312 WAS NOT D.B. Cooper? If you are successful (in proving a negative hypothesis), I will publically apologize and withdraw my statement. Oh what the hell!... Go ahead… march to your own drummer… March in your own parade… some people find it entertaining. Has anyone got the time? Oh! I see I have my own watch.

There was a cabin on the Columbia - owned by an individual who didn't live there. Nov 2, 2009, 9:50 PM Post #13669 of 13701 (292 views) Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 1719 Ok, I am going to shut-up, but I think I have made my point.

Nov 2, 2009, 9:50 PM Post #13669 of 13701 (292 views) Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 1719 Ok, I am going to shut-up, but I think I have made my point.

Nov 2, 2009, 9:50 PM Post #13669 of 13701 (292 views) Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 1719 Ok, I am going to shut-up, but I think I have made my point.