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There is actually an oversupply of Duane Webers, thousands of them. It is the Jo Webers that are in short supply. Whether that is a problem or blessing is open to debate. Without a Jo, a Duane Weber is of no material significance. 377 STOP! You are stealing/using my copywritten material.

Perhaps there should be two threads since DW and DBC have nothing to do with each other. Sluggo is going to give the Diva of Duane a space/ column/forum on his website. Jerry Thomas will be kicked off. Sluggo is the "decider". These are all preliminaries to the real DBC discussion starting in 2012, after WWIII.

Its the Diva and her Manager that matter. Promotion is everything. Everything and everyone can be replaced, instantly. How is Skywuffo, a real historian, supposed to feed his children and pay his rent !? Did we really need this - Sluggo?

a great story - well done!

The idea of convicts being furloughed from MO state prisons for Ranger training and then jumping in top secret special HALO ops is very imaginative and entirely absurd. The Rangers are very active on the Internet. They delight in personally confronting and "educating" (beating up?) people making fake Ranger claims. They can't hurt Duane now though. Duane never claimed any link to the Rangers, Jo did it on his behalf posthumously. Well you dont have to go every far to find a Ranger these days. I would suppose there are several here at Dropzone, somewhere. They might have thoughts on Jo's remarks. Another distinction Im trying to reconcile is you have 'furloughs' say from education or training and such, but are there 'furloughs' from prison? I really dont know but Jo seems to think so. I know some Rangers. I have turned Jo's remarks over to them and I think they will get to the bottom of this, for Jo. I always try to be a helping hand when I can. I must remark however, there is one thing even Rangers are affraid of and will backdown to: a skunk. Have you ever seen a Ranger treed by a skunk? I have. It isnt a pretty sight. Skunks can also be used to getconfessions out of people wthout laying a hand on. A skunk is very convincing. Skunks have a way with people, even the most obstreperous of our species. I have seen skunks do what preachers and ex-wives or a platoon of soldiers could not accomplish. Its all in the application once the person is aware a skunk is around. A person would sooner rather be shot than face theconseuences of a visit with a skunk. So, when confronted by a skunk take special precautions and use only an approved Board Certified Skunk Remover, after sizing up the wind direction and the jaunt of the tail. Did Cooper run into a skunk? Did Duane ever mention a skunk? Has Jo ever met up with a skunk? And why arent you people pursuing the Calame/ McCoy tie connection? There might be a scent trail there. Calame thought so. Maybe its the thought that everything is related to Duane, inevitably, and we've all been skunked. But Rangers do not like to be treed by skunks! Lets see if the Rangers can come up with a solution which we can then release as 'hot air'. Happy Hanukkah to all -

I did not throw "furlough" around as just a casual off the wall comment. Many of the recruits for these positions were ex-cons and military misfits - but trusted and engraved into the cause. Furlough to what? BE SPECIFIC! Make your claim. Be specific for once, like you used to do? Your semantics makes no sense. You cant be an EX con while still in prison! ? Can you be? Who gets furloughs? Were there furloughs at all? Were there people furloughed to the Ranger or Spec Forces Training camps who wound up at Bu Dop in '67? How did you get one of these 'vacations' at Bu Dop from the Missouri State Penitentiary you are keep alleging? Who was in charge of these vacations at Bu Dop? How did Duane go from being an anemic twerp burglar to being the big strong patriotic US Ranger you think might be Duane in the Bu Dop photo? Oh my! So many queshions_so little tyme. Im going to find out.

Good Luck! I tried that and even if I just post - just a generic post not mentioning Weber - it sets Georger off. If you read back thru the posts that is evident - he is fine when I do not post then he goes into a rage. Now as for Gray and Cook. I am intouch with both - neither can talk about their book. I have no idea what the approach will be on the subjects. I will tell you this - Gray is not (so he claims) writing a book about Christiansen! There is only one book that will stand the test of time and perhaps be a best seller - the one that puts the facts of the crime out to the public and explores more than one subject. A book that stays factual in what is known about the crime. Let the world decide from those facts if indeed anyone of the suspects are Cooper or is he someone else altogether? The book would need to explore all of the information - and the different analysis and trains of thought on the subjects - such as the money, the flight path, etc. As for Braden - he is NOT a good subject. I think you guys are looking in all the wrong places. The places you need to look are not available to the public. For instance - lots of guys received RANGER training (this does NOT mean they were RANGERS). These small groups where singled out for special use and high risk endeavors. These had to be individuals who would be accepted by "the forces that be" of the times and they had to blend in - men who had NOTHING to loose and everything to gain. I did not throw "furlough" around as just a casual off the wall comment. Many of the recruits for these positions were ex-cons and military misfits - but trusted and engraved into the cause. Good candidates had shown and represented an allegiance to the United States - but NO one wanted them except for high risk and covert action. Actions the government did not want the general public to be aware of. Therefore "contractors" friends of the government became a necessity - all with an allegiance to the US. In order to compensate these men there had to a legal source with which to do so outside of the government. These individual would lead relative normal lives except when they had an "assignment". In between assignments they were just ordinary guys doing ordinary work - some even infiltrated the Mafia and other groups. One such group warned the government of impending threats, but were ignored and the consequences where not acceptable. We will never know all that went on behind closed door - but, it did happen. The question I would like to know - Is it still happening are there still closed door incidents within our government offices? If so what is their purpose and who benefits? Using this approach - is there not a suspect NO one has considered and have such suspects been presented and ignored because they had a "cover". This could mean Cooper acted either as a group or on his own. Either way - not one of that group could expose him without exposing themselves and their own activities and their country or perhaps jeopardizing their own life. ITS ALL MY F A U L T! well I guess Sluggo's request is in the toilet or up his arse, or in Jo's purse. IYTS A L L M Y F A U L T!

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This is logic. Not allowed. Please follow the A-team's guidelines. But, that aside, why did Calame become convinced the tie and tie clasp belonged to the Mormon who wore such ties in a whole community of such ties shopping at JC Penny buying such ties and tie clasps as a standard accoutre'ment in vested standard issue Mormon uniform (much like the Amish or Hutterites in Canada) inside McCoy's home with a dresser contained other simila ties and tie clasps dressing as all other Morons dress who shop at Penney's before moving to Virginia Beach where Mo and Dope wouled move later, to be shot down like the dirty dog he was looking just like a food service person which H said Cooper might be? maybe inder Utah too don'ch ya tink golly gee?

and one more kvetch. NPR refuses to discuss DB Cooper. That to me IS significant. The pourported reason is Neil Konan at Talk of the Nation feels DB Cooper would over shadow him and steal his ratings! OK! You "guys" want to discuss Cooper. Discuss why Agent Calame thought Cooper's tie and tie clip belonged to ....... McCoy. Calame was very certain about this! He did an investigation and there is a report, somewhere. Maybe Carr would release that to Sluggo and Snowmann, the A-team I am sure Sluggo and Jo know the answer.

I dont listen to Ghost-to-Ghost. What about Braden? What part of him looked like a promising dancer on the NYC stage? Sammy Davis Junior sure resembles the posters. The NatGeo filum saz: (a) the plane was on outo-pilot undt (b) Cooper's drink glass wid his finger prints got mixed up with all the other glasses and lost, ie MWA cleamup girl got in ahead of the FBi forensic team! Is that all true? I confess I think my assignment is over here. Why? Labrys' admonition about "outlines" and (2) the fact that Jo Weber has the answers to everything but wont tell us! That is an impossible state of affairs seeing as how Sluggo wont tellus either! Tom Kaye wont speak. Thomas wont speak. Snowmann wont speak. Sluggo wont speak. Jo wont speak. Orange wont speak. The FBI and CIA and Special Forces wont speak. Duane is dead to tell us. Cook, Blevins, Gray, and Swartzkaff wont speak. Quade has stopped speaking! Obama wont do anything and when he does its for all the wrong countries! The rebel city-state Wells Fargo is set to foreclose on everything and send us all into labor camps. And racoons are shitting on my screen! Its one helluva state of affairs but Sluggo is still in control. Stay tuned. The forum is returning to regular scheduled programming. The Gong Show.

+1 Georger, I understand your frustration but am tired of the long rambling posts that get posted in response to your rebuttals! You have to understand, there is no logic in the responses, so trying to be logical is not going to help. It is part of the Cooper Case, is it not? The above was my suggestion-request months ago - I dont run this group. Others do. I have made uncountable attempts to get back "on track" by making specific citations to no avail. The choice I see here are: (1) discuss Jo/Duane. Read Jo's posts. (2) Discuss Braden etal. (3) Discuss Sammy Davis/So Afrika/etal (4) Discuss discussing Cooper. (5) Discuss, discussing discussing, discussing. (6) Wait until Sluggo discovers Cooper. (7) Wait until Wells Fargo forecloses. (8) Wait until Jo Weber works through her enemies list and has us a;ll terminated.

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Lee Harvey Oswald - I know of NO connection between Oswald and the man I knew as Duane Weber. A participant in the the Kennedy assassination - perhaps he was there, but not as part of an assassination. Missouri State Pen - furloughs - well, it is difficult to be in 2 places at one time. Prison is also a convenient cover for unexplained absences. That painting could all so have been a training camp in Arizona or Mexico...... The "Oh, F--- Let it die with me!" as said very loud and angrily because I did NOT understand what he was telling me and it was out of pure frustration. I have told what the conversation consisted of and it does NOT bear being repeated. The assignment has been terminated. The "assignment"? Who assigned you this? God? Maybe someone else can get to the bottom of your "assignment". Since Duane Weber was not DB Cooper, this must be about something else.

IF there was PROOF Duane WAS not Cooper the FBI would have presented that to me and to the public by now. Individuals such as yourself have only driven me to find WHAT I did FIND. Who was your "contractor"? You KNOW exactly what I am talking about, but others here may not. "IF there was PROOF Duane WAS not Cooper the FBI would have presented that to me and to the public by now." ??? So you are saying if the FBI does not give you proof Duane was NOT Cooper, then Duane was Cooper? Is this what you are saying?

The real-estate agent from Pace, Florida says one of her husbands was DB Cooper: ""Oh, let it die with me!" Duane died 11 days later. Jo sold his van two months after his death. The new owner discovered a wallet hidden in the overhead console. It contained a U.S. Navy "bad conduct discharge" in Duane's given name and a Social Security card and a prison-release form from the Missouri State Penitentiary, in the name of "John C. Collins." Duane had told Jo that he had served time for burglary under the name John Collins. Still, says Jo, a real-estate agent in Pace, Fla., Duane rarely spoke of his past. "His life started with me, and that was it," she says. In April 1996, Jo discussed Duane's criminal and military past with a friend. She also mentioned that just before he died, Duane had revealed the cause of an old knee injury. "I got it jumping out of a plane," Jo recalls him saying. "Did you ever think he might be D.B. Cooper?" the friend asked." (Pasternak, US News & World Report 7/24/2000) Without Douglas Pasternak, the Weber story would not be what it is today. Pastermak's messianic presentation of Jo's unproven and unprovable anecdotes remains all there is even today, all coming from a Pace Florida real-estate agent who was operating in the fast-paced S&L subprime real-estate market which collapsed, taking the nation's prosperity with it and ruining millions of victims lives, internationally! According to Jo, Duane told her on his deathbed: "Oh, let it die with me!" . She did not. Duane Weber never confessed to the world he was DB Cooper but according to Jo he said, "Oh, let it die with me!" . Without Jo Weber there literally would be no Duane Weber/DB Cooper story at all. Everything has been assembled and presented by Jo Weber from reams of material she says she has, but refuses to share with the FBI or anyone, and it continues and promises to continue at Jo Weber's insistence, for more decades yet to come; with the assistance of people like Douglas Pasternak and others whose identities are also hidden, except that she slips up and offers a name now and then. Pasternak could not check many facts because there were no "facts" to check and if any material evidence existed Jo was either hording it or it had disappeared, Jo says. It was mostly rumor and allegation from Jo Weber, which Pasternak then passed on to the public, wholesale. Mr Pasternak didnt demand much of Jo Weber in order for his bosses to publish his and Weber's story. I go back to the central fact that without widow Weber and people like D. Pasternak, there would be no Duane Weber/DB Cooper story at all. Weber had not self-confessed and no one else was promoting him, and so far as we know Weber never surfaced independently in the FBI's investigations. (Jo may rise to dispute this, now that Ive mentioned it for the first time). And there would be none of the machinations all inspired by Jo Weber which has ensued in the Weber case since ... in what was a "criminal case" to begin with. It is interesting to me that people who think they have a "public" platform with some license to operate one public sector, sometimes wind up as socalled authorities in "criminal" matters. License in one transfers to a license in the other, as these people see it, I guess. No special training is required, just an interest or a candidate to promote. But, without the intervention of Jo Weber there would be no Duane Weber story in the public mind at all. That is a simple fact. So whose story is this? Duane Weber's story, or Jo Weber's story... or whose? Jo says Duane said: """"Oh, let it die with me!"''' . But Jo for her own reasons chose to pursue the matter, in a manner which has proven both unusual and provocative on its own merits sometimes even disrupting the formal investigation of the Cooper case itself! Jo says: "Duane rarely spoke of his past. "His life started with me, and that was it," she says. " "His life started with me, and that was it," she says. Is Jo saying Duane had no life in some literal sense before her? That she, "Jo whos-it" was the sum and substance of Duanes life, before and after meeting her, and nothing and nobody else matters? Under this defintion it would be easy for someone to deny a dying person's last wish: "Oh, let it die with me!" Who owned Duane's life? Was Duane's life merely another property to sell in the marketplace? And along with that a story that he was also: DB Cooper! Who was the real Duane Weber, aside from what Jo Weber has said? And what if anything does any of this have to do with the DB Cooper case, aside from what Jo Weber has thrust upon the world. "I am wondering and only seeking the truth", is what Jo Weber said when she first contacted Ralph Himmeslbach suggesting her late husband might be or could be DB Cooper, and she was "only" seeking the truth, she has written. Well in these matters of truth aside from photos and other socalled evidence which never seems to square with reality for Jo, where is the "fit" between DB Cooper and Duane Weber that Jo might have thought promoted the claim that 'Duane might be Cooper'? For the ansser to that I think we have to go clear back to the beginning. The first contact suggested "Duane might have been Cooper" not that he was Cooper. Jo rreverts back to that stance even today when finally pressed. This first contact said Duane "might have been" Cooper, not that he was. Later a witnesses would surface who actually knew Duane Weber who said: "Duane did not say he was Cooper but that he thought he might 'know' who Cooper was", and we have every reason to believe Duane was referring to Richard McCoy, because Duane moved to the same town where McCoy had been killed and it was all over the news - even Jo has admitted she and Duane knew about McCoy at Virginia Beach, (and now says she never said this and/or it does not matter.). But behind all of this what we do have is what was in the news for everyone to hear and know which was Ralph Himmelsbach's book in which he gives his profile of Cooper to the world, that Cooper was: an incompetent nasty twerp! I think this is the common denominator Jo and H had in common which along with peripheral anecdotal evidence about Duane that brought Weber forth as a possible candidate in the Cooper matter, to both Himmelsbach's and Jo's personal satisfaction. Except that Himmeslbach then backed off into investigation while Jo forged ahead on her own course. It seems like little to bring someone foward as a suspect on, but it was enough for Jo to continue with for decades right up until today. As soon as the FBI began to back off Jo began to accuse the FBI of lying to her and mishandling "her" case. It was never "Jo's" case to begin with. That is all there is to this or ever was - Jo has had one candidate, her husband, while the FBI has had 1056+ candidates and is still working. Jo's latest gaf asserting links to Lee Harvey Oswald and the Kennedy Assassination (she wonders), and Duane being taken out of the Missouri State Penitentiary "Dirty Dozen style" to serve with the US Army Rangers and Special Forces inside a wire enclosure at Bu-Dop in 1967, all because of paintings a Tony Wang did ... these machinations take us right back to the very foundation of Jo Weber's case when she refused her husband's dying request to: "Oh, let it die with me!". That is a Jo Weber Story. Something distinct and separate from any Duane Weber story. And even further distinct and separated from the DB Cooper hijacking which Jo Weber says Duane 'pulled off'.

Familiar? The Dirty Dozen (1967) Directed by Robert Aldrich. With Lee Marvin, Ernest Borgnine, Charles Bronson. A US Army Major is assigned a dozen convicted murderers to train and lead ... including Duane Weber from The Missouri State Prison. Full cast and crew - Trivia - Plot Summary - Trailers and videos plus

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Have you consulted with the US Army Rangers Assoc http://www.ranger.org/ Feel free to present your case or any questions you have, there. ... _ _ _ ...

unreal, crazy. Have you contacted the US Dept of the Army about any of this? Or members of the US Rangers?

In moments like these when you are playing in your sandpile and have these epiphanies, do your hands shake, your knees quake, and you start mumbling incomprehensible things like: 'I HAVE TO FIND MY RATTLESNAKE - PRAISE JESUS - PRAISE DUANE PRAISE THE FBI - SHO MO KINO COW - WHERES MY TINFOIL HAT - I HAVE TO CALL SISTER STELLA AND PAR-BEY AND REPORT THE GOOD NEWS - OH JESUS, WHERE'S MY RATTLESNAKE - LILLIES OF THE VALLEY SHO MO KINO COW!" Take a fucking pill. Yea. I saw it too. On the Sasquatch Channel. Call 911 if your writer friends abandon you and you start choking then turn red, green, and purple ... better check yourself in the mirror right now.

You're so clever. 100:1 your writer friends are already running for the door!

This is what I was trying to explain - you guys knew this was going to be on.