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So far NO one - not the FBI nor anyothers - have been able to explain to me Duane Weber's interest and phenomenal knowledge of the area. (You have to have worked and lived there to know the area the way he did and with such detail). NOT one person has offered any explanation for this - NOT one. That even includes Duane's friends who knew him! We have only Jo Weber's word your assertions for Duane are true. Provide us a list of towers and lights THAT WERE THERE IN 1971, not afterward! Provide us a list of the dates Duane was in the State f Washington? Actually spent time there. Provide us a list of the dates and times Duane spent researching the Cooper story and the geography of Washington from some place else, eg Virginia Beach, Marietta GA, etc. What do his library cards show? What do your library cards show? Lets cover one further fact: You made representations to others in Washington, not just Jerry. Did you forget about that? Lastly: who are you trying to convince of what here? Your machinations here will not further your case one iota, so what is all of this stuff here you do? Even if Duane knew WA like the back of his hand that still does not prove Cooper was Duane, so what has any of this to do with Cooper? Duane wasnt even in Washington on the day of the hijacking! Let me remind you, it was COOPER who did this hijacking, not you, not Duane Weber. Therefore, it is COOPER who has to see, know, and take any advtanage of towers and lights, not you, not Duane. Nobody questions your patholpogical brilliance! You have demonstrated that here very well. But that does not mean Duane was also pathologically brilliant! It is perfectly clear you are foisting off on Duane traits that are yours not Duanes. And you have done this with your whole case as if Duane were YOU! Nobody who knew Duane says Duane fits your profile for him. You were not Cooper! Cooper was a man. So while the issue of lights is interesting (and has been mentioned here many times before) it only applies to DAN COOPER, not to Duane, and certainly not to YOU standing in for Duane giving us a profile for Duane which is actually a profile of yourself! Freud had you nailed a long time ago. Thanks for your listing of towers and lights. We will now apply that to the real Cooper case. Keep up the good work!

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Not one piece of fact has been produced in 15,000 posts. So here is one: you are full of shit.

Jo, The reason you get ridiculed is that you do not post information. You post claims without supporting evidence. There is always some reason you cannot post the evidence. Just post it it if you have it. If you don't have it then don't make the claims. I think Jo has the situation exactly 180 degrees wrong. When logical information is put out, it tends to be followed up very seriously and thoroughly and well debated in the forum (think: flight path, hydraulics, interviews with the stewardesses, Cooper's clothing, possible angle from the 727 drops in Vietnam, etc etc). The 'garbage' normally comes, it seems, from posters who cannot quit the thread but are posting in 'slack' times! When something concrete comes along again they tend to leave the rambling off-topic posts behind and try examine the latest angle. As far as responses to Jo's posts are concerned - 377 hit the nail on the head in his response. Sluggo has tried patiently and diplomatically to explain this more than once to Jo as well. You-all have been here before. How are you going to get yourselves out this time? Its yours to do. I wont help this time. Good luck -

As far as responses to Jo's posts are concerned - 377 hit the nail on the head in his response. Sluggo has tried patiently and diplomatically to explain this more than once to Jo as well. Labrys contributed more in 30 seconds than Snow and Jo combined in more than a decade.

Mr Y is a definate candidate.

sandwiches I think.

1. Who was the first person to ever state the money got into the Columbia in 1979 and that it had been retrieved from another locations where it was stored? Jo Weber 2. Who was the first person to talk about leaving prints on the aft stair? Jo Weber discussing the dream Duane had in 1978 -which was WAY before Cook was even writing or had considered a book on Gossett. The fingerprint story goes back to the day the FBI came to my home in 1997 and in my written reports to Himmelsbach and the FBI. 3. Until the FBI can say with evidence that someone else was Cooper - this case IS not closed. Georger, I do not understand WHY when I present possibilities regarding solutions concerning the identification of Cooper that you go so berserk. There is NO excuse in that behaviour IF you are TRUELY interested in helping solved this 38 yr. old crime. You only get upset when I make a post that is basically neutral - and reasonable. You then make every effort to attack the idea - WHY? Because from a historical point of view you dont even matter in this case. You my dear are a Joey Come Lately with a Cock N Bull story nobody including Himmelsbach ever accepted from day one. Everything else has been a gratuity you piggy backed on. You have contributed nothing.

Right! I forgot about all those lights on Merwin Dam. They would cause sky-glow too. I saw an after-dark photo (on a clear night) taken at ground level and it looked like one-half of a football stadium. ADDENDUM: I just check an old flight plan, I used to fly just south of Lake Merwin on a direct route from Goldendale to Longview-Kelso. I do not remember those lights. It may be because I was using radio-navigation and just not paying attention since the dam dosen't affect the flight, and I wasn't using it for navigation, but I never recall seeing them. From the photo I saw they would be very noticeable. It's been a long time. We dont know that Cooper was familiar with anything from the air. His one reference to Tacoma could have been a ground reference. We just dont know for sure. He did have the turn-around time at SEA pretty well right (from your earlier post on this).

You beat me to it! The Arthur Murray studios! Every kid not electing for ballet or street brawling (or slavery on a farm) had to endure the Arthur Murray Studio. One in every small town in America. Even a few kids on farms did this at the behest of their parents. It was the route dejur out of barbaric savagery. Dan could not have escaped that, unless he was raised a foreigner, or raised at Virginia Beach by trailer trash.

It’s been 15 years since I flew that area at night. I don’t remember any clearance lights except on man-made structures. I have a guy that is trying to snag me a 1971 Seattle Sectional. If (when) he gets it to me, we can take a look. I think (just my personal opinion) he would mostly see sky-glow (at 10,000 MSL) from Longview-Kelso and Portland-Vancouver (one unit) and as he got south maybe a brief glimpse of Goldendale, Hood River and the Dalles. But mostly sky-glow not lights on the ground (except through small cloud breaks. I was VFR only and never flew that area under those conditions. One early story is that Cooper could have seen/ might have seen, the lights at Merwin Dam and used those to bail with. That story came out in '71-'72 and I have no idea who or what originated the story, but it was commonly being mentioned, clear down at Vancouver (and at Tacoma) (and at Portland) ....???

If you are going to plagiarise others at least get your facts straight. You have a long history of plagiarism (stealing the work and ideas of others) I for one wish you would stop your low budget sleazy bottom feeding. Being the Fool you are you even sign your own plagiarism! And copywrite it as your own. That takes guts! It also requires that you have a very low opinion of your fellow humans, that no one will examine or care what you say. Or that everyone is beneath you in importance. This coming seasons there are going to be changes. For one, the Gosset story is going to take headlines. The Weber case is closed and over. You had better run to Sister Stella and Par Bey and get a new reading. The Weberphelia is closed.

It would be a remarkable transformation indeed if a petty criminal who seemed to screw up most of his crimes resulting in arrest, conviction and incarceration managed to pull off the crime of the century and get away scott free. Why do you think that is even a possibility Jo? Nothing fits. Despite your claims you have presented ZERO evidence that shows Duane was a trained parachutist. ZERO. NADA. NOTHING. Stop claiming it if you have no proof. 377 Did I mention Weber? - Sorry! I am sorting thru profiles of skyjackers from a book I am reading written by a psychiatrist who was commissioned to study skyjackers...prior to Norjax. As for PROOF Weber had jumping experience - I cannot discuss this in the forum, but I am trying to make contributions that might lead to the actual unveiling of possible suspects. Weber might well be within that scope, but that is not my intentions with this train of thought. Obviously, there had to be suspects over-looked by the FBI. This process is to isolate the possibilities of this actually happening. It is possible this search could lead to the unveiling of these suspects. The problem is how to obtain the names and locations of incarcerations of prior skyjackers. My thinking is that while in the system - this dirty rotten criminal did not participate in the violence within the system. He may have spent more time listening to the stories of others. It was common knowledge after the 1971 incident - that many of the prisoners spent time planning the "Big One". The talkers - are usually just "talkers". The informers within the system managed to hold their own while accumulating information. This was done by fitting in, staying out of the violence, being a listener and having a goal of freedom. How many won commutions of sentences - even after having passed time in multiple other prisons? Weber did have an excellent cover - as he was incarcerated under an AKA, but that is irrevelant to where I am going. I was told by authorities that skyjackers would have been held in High Securtiy prisons - but I do not know what existed in the the 50's and 60's consistent with this train of thought. Perhaps that is true today - but, was it true in the 50's and 60's. What was consider High Security beside Leavenworth? This is just an exercise in the possible ways Cooper slipped thru the cracks. Evidently Cooper live and died - someone knew him - or was he born at the age of approx 45? Since the investigative system has NOT uncovered Cooper and nothing we have explored in this thread has held any more promise than the FBI's investigation - perhaps it is time to take this into a realm only given a cursory glance by the autorities at the time. The ones they did look into were compromised of individuals with "known" jumping experience during times frames prior to Norjax. The system as it exists now was not available - and the investigative authorites had NO real way to trace the jumping experience of all suspects. Even today - some jumping experience is still obscured from the 50's and 60's because of the embarassement it created for the Government in those times. Slowly these stories are coming to surface as that generation dies off. This post was written by Jo Weber on January 2, 2010 The words of a Fool.

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well, we dont ewant some Dropzone member rowing out to sea in their bedpan, just because DS666 was written on the side of their folder - its enough that we have avatars here that look likesome schixophrenic episode!

When I speak of Norjak regardless of how I spell it, know what I mean. I was told the file name existed before Himmelsbach wrote his book and prior to the actual Skyjacking. How much of that was truth I don't know. 'Acronyms and initialisms are abbreviations that are formed using the initial components in words, a phrase, or name. These components may be individual letters and often parts of words, eg. NORJAK extracted from the words Northwestern and Hijacking.' (Kril's Historical Acronymics) 'Persons with manic depression or schixophrenia often see deep hidden significance in common acronyms. During the treatment of such individuals it is best to avoid exposing the client to acronyms so as not to violate the confidence of the patient. For example, make sure case file names on the sides of folders and other papers are not exposed during patient interviews. Patients have been known to immediately reject help on the basis of seeing an acronym on the side of a folder.'

I think I get it! Jo is talking about Forest Rangers! That includes anyone who ever raked leaves on Federal property. Its all - Ranger Training!

Once again, snowmman, you are full of shit. One time I (dressed in a polar-bear suit) was hitch-hiking along I-5 and a Cowlitz County Deputy picked me up at Mile Marker 52 where the Toutle River crosses I-5 in Cowlitz County. He said he had to take me as far as the county line. I didn’t answer him because I didn’t want him to know it was me in a polar-bear suit. He stopped and let me out at Mile Marker 21 (the Lewis River near Woodland) at the Cowlitz County Clark county boundary. When I got out he gave me a stern look and said: “You think you’re funny, don’t you?” I still didn’t answer. He said; “Okay smart-ass just leave the Coors in the back seat and get the hell out of here!” No shit… that really happened. That IS funny. 'specially the part about leaving the Coors in the back seat. Pay as you Go.

agree!

Jerry - you need to backoff on the offensive statements. As far as DZ.com goes Amazon is a known jumper (not by me) and is well respected - And she's big enough and strong enough to open up a can of whoop-ass on many grown men. Trust me on this. You definitely do not want her whooping your ass, especially when she's mad. Jesus, all this talk about people whupping other people. Why? Amazon is the real deal and so is Jerry, they are just different deals. No need to square off. Jerry has a lot of military jumps including HALO. He fought in Nam and he did a lot of survival training. He thinks Cooper landed in the Death Woods from which there was no escape and may have even gone in as a no pull. He spends a lot of time in those woods and I respect his opinion about them. Amazon is a USAF vet who also worked as a survival trainer. She is a very accomplished skydiver. Amazon set a speed record that is about .5 MACH in freefall, which is frigging amazing. She sees the Death Woods as a road riddled well traveled wildland and nothing more. She has spent a lot of time in those woods and I respect her opinion of them. We just have two well qualified people who disagree on the survival challenge posed by those woods. They should share a few beers and compare notes, not threaten to whup each other's butts. We need a little more Ghandi and a little less Rambo here. Whasup Billy, didnt't know you lurked here in the asylum these days. Before you leave, do you think Cooper survived the jump and made it back to civilization or died that night in 1971? Do you think he had made prior jumps? 377 Very well said...

Have you seen the videos of polar bears carefully camoflaging their black noses with packed snow so they can sneak up on prey? Pretty clever, but when you are stalking Duane, the Arctic Smoke Jumper, you need to be. Georger had a good point about what Duane would have said about all this. He actually said it: "Let it die with me." Jo didn't listen. 377

Right... no value add at all.. except maybe digging up the rig and chute he buried With all the logging going on in that area.. if it was on the surface.. it would have been found. well... I can tell you lots of people back in the 70s expected just exactly that, but then nothing turned up, then the money find in 1980 ....

even if a few bills, the immunity idol, and artifacts are there? You obviously dont watch Survivor much!

Was that while he was Ranger or Arctic Smoke Jumper? If we are going to invade Afghanistan we need a lot more Duanes. I wonder if we can clone him from some hair samples? That tweezing of his widows peak might have been a deliberate attempt to get robust DNA samples including follicle tissue. Duane knew we would eventually need more Duanes. Duane was right. 377 I think this conversation has strayed so far away from who the "real" Duane was, the conversation is useless. I have the feeling Duane himself would be the first to say this! I would like to say that it does not matter to me WHO Cooper actually was. He was somebody.. He did what he did... and that is a fact that no one can argue.. and I think it takes billiant skill to completely dissappear.. I do not think that was an accident. I think the reason there has never been a trace of him found... is pretty simple.. you can't find something that is not there. With all the nutters that have been all over those area's looking for sasquatch... and the next gold mine... I think its like the people who to this day go looking for the Lost Dutchmans Mine... at least the gold there will not have rotted away.. IF there was any money and a corpse.. it would have shown up long ago.. found by a hunter.. a hiker... or a sasquatch chaser. I am inclined to agree with most of this, however I feel a lot more remains to be done, and possibly will be done in the future. I feel options are still open ... I dont think it took brilliant skill to disappear in 1971... people and even whole events dissappear regularly only to surface later. For example, the real Duane Weber vrs. the Duane Jo has conveyed for years, are probably two totally different people, in reality. And that difference has been the source of endless conflict.

Was that while he was Ranger or Arctic Smoke Jumper? If we are going to invade Afghanistan we need a lot more Duanes. I wonder if we can clone him from some hair samples? That tweezing of his widows peak might have been a deliberate attempt to get robust DNA samples including follicle tissue. Duane knew we would eventually need more Duanes. Duane was right. 377 I think this conversation has strayed so far away from who the "real" Duane was, the conversation is useless. I have the feeling Duane himself would be the first to say this!