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Here you go Einstein (read below ... its your own post from 2008) re- Boeing skydiving club. And you call me stupid? -------------------------------------------------------- nowmman Jumps License In sport : : : Nov 5, 2008, 11:22 AM Post #4963 of 15261 (1982 views) Registered: Mar 30, 2008 Posts: 3979 1971 Boeing jump club: myth or fact? [In reply to] Can't Post georger said: Quote But the statement I have from my Boeing engineer is stark and described forces no ordinary person could manage and survive. In fact my Boeing friend is so firm about this he says, "That you are spending one minute on this is _____ and I think its a total waste of time. He died and there is no other possibility. We knew that immediately." Ask your friend to recite the history of similar successful jumps in 1972. If he can't, his opinion can be safely ignored. He probably believes the US lunar landing(s) were staged in Southern CA also since they were impossible. In Reply To crossed with the Boeing enginner Ckret now cites who was a member of the NWA jump club? Ckret said Boeing jump club. He said it twice. I don't know if he misspoke. The only skydiving club I can find at Boeing is the "Boeing Employees Skydiving Club" BESC, formed in 1979. The data was gathered in late 71 thru early 72 sometime. In terms of bogus data: I read a newspaper article that had someone quoted as saying (back soon after the jump) that Cooper would have suffered black eyes from the jet exit with no googles. I was curious if skydivers would agree.. From what little I've read here, I assumed that opinion was wrong. From their club history: "The Boeing Employees Skydiving Club was formed in 1979 by 2 skydiving employees. It grew to become the largest non-commercial skydiving club in the country.." It'd be nice if Ckret could clarify what he meant by Boeing jump club. Ckret said: "Didn't open the jpg's to look at the report you were referencing, [ed. the pg 272-273 report] I was speaking to the jump (equipement used and how it would have performed in a highor low opening) which was calulated by a member of the Boeing jump club, of which all were investigated. " The page 272-273 report says nothing about skydivers from Boeing. It mentions a NWA pilot skydiver. Other data is mentioned as being from "The Boeing Company". Boeing data was called "free-fall" data and specifically identified as different from "parachute open condition" data. To me, that suggests Boeing data didn't come from a jump club. In any case, if it did, why wasn't the jump club identified as the source, rather than saying "The Boeing Company"? Or did Ckret just misspeak? (This post was edited by snowmman on Nov 5, 2008, 1:15 PM)

Did we have any previous posts about this club?? Did the FBI talk to them?? Go back to Ckret's posts. The club was discussed at length. As for Snow & 377's socalled candidate; that is old news also unless it is something recent. Its funny how some people (the same people) find the need to repeat themselves and then complain about no news? So I will repeat my response to that made years ago too, to the same people - Are you being Entertained? Oh, and a number of people have left the forum. Did you get that?

I love to see those payday lenders smashed, friggin userous parasites. Some charge 3 digit interest rates. We need other states to follow Iowa's lead. Where will you cash your SS checks now Georger? Will it be the massage parlor or the Indian casino? 377 At Chuck's Radiator Shop.

Nope Georger, this guy is 100% real and there is a lot of independent Internet evidence of his presence and his various occupations if you are REALLY good at searching (I was not). Let's see if you can find him on your own. Sooner or later Snow will post some direct links. meanwhile... well you know what he does when you post. I was floored (and actually jealous and embarrassed) that I could have missed this guy. I had a hunch early on that a skydiver with Boeing connections did Norjack and searched extensively on that premise. I SHOULD have found this guy with that criteria but did not. Snow did. You can too. When you see all of his background you will be amazed. Really. I'd publish his name but he is Snow's suspect. It would be an etiquette breach to take publication away from Snow's control. 377 just show eyes, mouth, ears, cranium, and the size of the balloon. ALL AFTER THE NEXT TEN BOWL GAMES + EASTER + 4TH OF JULY + AUTUMNAL EQUINOX + , , , , , , Here's some real NEWS! Iowa AG just acted to shut down all Predatory Lenders. That should close 80% of those posting to this thread. Sorry!

Well, maybe not the forum Snow, but YOU found something while participating in the forum that bears further scrutiny. Why dont you post the particulars about your intriguing suspect including the words he wrote in a book about freezing feet while walking along the Columbia River? I don't think the FBI ever had this guy in their sights and he is an AMAZING match on a number of fronts including: Former Boeing employee in tech documentation Skydiver with night jump experience Viet Nam experience including civilian jumping and witnesssing atrocities by the US military USMC combat vet OUS resident at time of Norjack residing in VERY obscure place Resembles the FBI drawing Has a HUGE grudge USFS Smoke Jumper who worked in the Northwest. Need I go on? Even if he isnt Cooper just finding him teaches us a lot about investigation techniques and how people (like me and the FBI) miss things. How did you do it? How did I miss this guy while doing similar searches? This guy is old. He probably isnt Cooper but he might be. Even if he isn't I'll bet he knows what was known among jumpers and others in SE Asia about those Air America 727 jumps. Let's find Bruce and get him to interview this guy while he is still living. 377 +1 (I added the bolds except for the first) Its funny how all of this would happen behind the scenes of the forum, but Snow wont bring the candidate (or even a piece of the candidate) here for scrutiny. Why should anyone take Orange's word for her certifications of Snowmman's candidate, above? You say he/it resembles Cooper? Let's see it! What a bunch of egotistical internet bs, which I guess is exactly what it is supposed to be! Even Jerry on his wildest day wouldnt stoop to this! Orange, 377, Snowblower = A Team Bullshit.

There is some really interesting research going on in NORJAK at this point in time. There are three (or four) books being written and the “Science Team” (Tom Kaye and company) continue to slog through the evidence at the extremely slow pace that “real science” demands. I have nothing to say about this except to place it in Jo Weber's capable hands! Good luck Jo and Tom! This may sound self-serving. Well, it is and long overdue. The original Science Team disbanded and quit once Tom Kaye and his people got involved. Calling Tom Kaye was a mistake on my part and I apologise to everyone for it.

This post reminds me of something my grandfather said: "I wish it were not so, but it is so, some things are what they are, but the only saving grace is that it wont matter in the greater scheme of things!" My grandfather had just had to shoot his favorite horse who had broken its leg 10 days earlier. This post should framed and hung in the Chamberlain Wing of the Hall of Horrors.

snow troll forgot to attach the photos at the bottom of the page he quoted from - here is one of the photos - looks like lights to me but on this forum who knows? Maybe you wont see them? who cares -

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The naked woman, especially if of reproductive age, would have been noticed by the men. It is part of evolutionary programming. Even the PhD Nerd in Sluggo's group would have spotted her and perhaps even removed his pocket protector... kinda like the polar bear covering his black nose with snow. 377 It all begins with mice experiments and food. You can get a bunch of mice competing over food and pass new food right over their heads and they will keep on competing and ignore the new food .... much like forums! Snowman has now been filtered out. How refreshing!

* Yes, I realize that 11 people is not a big enough group to constitute a scientific study and draw absolute conclusions, that’s why I used “exercise” instead of “experiment.” Sluggo There is another form of the experiment. (Lewis etal 65). When a single social clue is introduced the results change drastically. You instruct one student to laugh when anything odd happens. With that added element almost everyone sees (saw) the gorilla. Few passengers in airplanes pay any attention or can even see whats going on behind them, or very far ahead of them - thats a physical constraint. Cooper chose the last seat behind everyone which also just happened to be close to a Lav. (Did the stews redirect people to use the front Lav? Did Cooper ever ask where the Lav was or did he just get up and go there?). Jo's focus last night was: If Cooper can't be Duane then it never happened at all and/or 'it's all a government cover up and THEY will never allow THE UNWASHED to know'. In other words, 'its Duane or nothing, for me'. I am sure the promoters of Gossett have a similar stance and a similar outlook on evidence after so much time invested. Ask yourselves why the nerd sees the Gorilla when nobody else does (or will admit! they do). Flight #305 was vulnerable in so many ways. The whole mindset (even the fuel being carried) was against any thought of a hijacking... a short milkrun the last of the day. That to my mind defines who Cooper was and how he thought. I seriously doubt this same Cooper would have hijacked any normal flight on a normal day and time, as for example McCoy did. Cooper is the gorilla passing through and depending on his grudge (if that was even true) he may not have been satisfied with the message he left, if he lived to think about it.

I have installed software which Eliminates all Skyjack71 posts from Dropzone, as I see it. I will be seeing other posts I care to see, but if they continue to discuss or reply to Skyjack71 then I will filter those posters also... up to the point there is nothing left on this thread to read! I came here to discuss DB Cooper, not Jo Weber. The filter I have installed is working beautifully. Skyjack71 no longer exists on my version of this thread. 1969912 either.

Boys boys boys. Don't make it so damned easy for the Freudians. Tower envy. Stop sparring about whose is bigger, thicker, stronger etc. Sheesh. I fly in a silo Georger. It has a megawatt of fan power, 3 440 VAC 3 phase motors. It's big and powerful but I didn't build it. Dubai has us all beat with that monster building, but it's gonna need some financial Viagra. 377 mushrooms for a mushroom.

Look carefully at those drawings Snow. Somewhere there was a static line attachment point. 377 my thought too... when the attached went up I was warned "any funny stuff" (ropes and such) and I would be shipped off to Wentworth to straighten me out! So, my thoughts turned to building a biplane or a helicopter or something, to fly over the thing. Anticipating that my uncle Jim took me to a military surplus store in the city instead. There I purchased a weather baloon. Our local grocer provided the helium. Lt Col CCA and I did the baloon launch the nest day and the baloon went directly to the top of the elevator and snagged on the tower - just my luck. I had to go before Judge Magistrate Colwell. He fined me $2.50 and put me on probation for the school year, requiring a 'C' average. Except on Thanksgiving Day we (I) shot Judge Colwell's goose while hunting, by mistake. Lt Col. C 5a8 AA said it was a turkey and being a lousy shot I had to dispatch the 'turkey'. I got out of this mess by promising to marry Judge Colwell's daughter ten years later, which I did. Static lines would have been a lot simpler! But not allowed. Any furloughee from a prison attaching one would be 'shot on sight'. Since Duane lived to die in peace, we can assume he did not train from one of these towers - or marry the Judge's daughter either.

I can almost buy Sluggo's account of not seeing many lights (from the numerous lighted towers Joi says Duane was an expert on in 1971) in the State of Washington. Jo says she's been keeping this tidbit of data because it is some of her best data on Duane. My point is, if Duane was so fucking smart about towers and lights along V23 in Washington, when and where did Duane divulge this to Jo who when she first contacted Himmeslbach said she knew nothingabout Duane's background! Why would she ask the FBI for help if she already had all the answers!? What was her purpose? To test the FBI or to find Cooper? If all the towers Jo names had lights but arent visible from the ground, then wouldnt Duane-the-expert know this and pick another route? Why not demand to fly at 8000 feet to better see the lights? There are a million other similar questions which this scenario also evokes?

If you will show the relevance to DB Cooper in the State of Washington I will call the office tomorrow. I do think that for all practical purposes your 200 foot limit is wrong. You seem to be saying that no towers under 200ft in Washington would have a mandated light unless they were forced to but not mandated by the FAA ... like someone meeting garage can regs? My response was: Its not that simple and yours "is all theoretical on your part".

I fly in a silo Georger. It has a megawatt of fan power, 3 440 VAC 3 phase motors. It's big and powerful but I didn't build it. 377 The issue here is LIGHTS not towers. I dont know why Snowman strayed off into towers and his three 80 foot towers.... in defense of Jo Weber? WTF has Snowmman's towers got to do with Cooper?

The 1954 Camas 15 min. map [attached] shows a lookout tower. I do not know if it had lights on it or not. 1954 was the most recent map in 1971. The most recent Larch Mountain 7.5 min map (I don’t know the year and I’m too lazy to look it up) [also attached], shows no lookout tower but some radio towers. They surely have lights. [Addendum]: Okay… I got un-lazy the Larch Mountain Map is from 1984 (Provisional Edition) The critical issue is beamwidth of the light and how much disperses upward. Just as the poster says - If you are off at a distance so that the angle between you and the light is lowest, then you might see it as a dot, the closer you get the less you see because the less is arriving skyward at a steeper angle ... above you might see nothing. But the notion of using a 'light glowing upward' to jump by seems iffy at best, or nonexistent poppycock as per Jo Weber's embellishment.

Hi Dumbass. The story of your life. You do nothing, but you know people who have done something. Like your Tosaw shit. I can talk about towers. I have two 80' towers (including mast) and just poured the base for another 60'-er. So I can't talk about towers unless I know someone who knows someone who put up a 100' tower? You know the problem with the internet Georger? Look in the mirror. Your towers are hobby towers. Guy up the road from me has 12 towers - antenna farm. So? What's ur point, Pudknocker? Im talking about commercial grade towers but screw towers - buildings are what matters. Ever seen some of the large grain elevators in Nebraska? I could put all of your fucking towers in one silo. and you too!

Exactly. So they would be hard to see from above at 10k feet? I almost posted about this but Im golad I didnt. You have the facts and facts are what counts - Great Job. This could account for why Sluggo has never seen/ noticed these tower lights from the air? Now if Duane was as SMART and INFORMED AS jO CLAIMS HE WAS, WHY DIDNT HE KNOW THIS? Once again Jo is trapped by her own petard. What friggin tower lights are people talking about? Has anyone posted a picture of a tower with lights along the path we're discussing? Is someone saying there were lights on the Larch Mtn towers? I'm not even sure the current 43M (141 ft) towers have lights? Do they? (edit) OH! I get it..You two guys are still talking about Jo Weber. Yes of course Duane Weber was Cooper after all. It's so funny, you guys love Jo Weber. uhhhhhhh, Jo is saying so - read her posts? now who'se the dumbass?

Hi Georger, your post is a good example of a dumbass. So you're telling me you've erected 100' towers? 25g guyed I expect? Let's hear the details. woops I error. I was thinking of structures ie buildings. If you count towers then I think there are currently five or six, sven if you count Belgium, nine if you count Canada, maybe ten (one near Houston), .... oh shit and the one in Siwtzerland... how many is that? I dont concern myself with such things. Why should I? But the beamwidth on the lights the poster mentioned sounds right.

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all theoretical - just try erecting a tower 100ft or higher and see what happens! Do you consult and rely on the Internet to buy Charmin?

Exactly. So they would be hard to see from above at 10k feet? I almost posted about this but Im golad I didnt. You have the facts and facts are what counts - Great Job. This could account for why Sluggo has never seen/ noticed these tower lights from the air? Now if Duane was as SMART and INFORMED AS jO CLAIMS HE WAS, WHY DIDNT HE KNOW THIS? Once again Jo is trapped by her own petard.

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