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  1. Snowman! This is the best post of the entire thread! jon Nope. Yours is.
  2. That's me: an enabler with nothing better to do. As soon as I find something better to do, I'll stop enabling, but it's hard. 377 377,I hope you do not think of yourself as an enabler on my behalf. I am going to direct the FBI to what they have missed - if any of you know how to get their attention - get it now! After all of these yrs - the truth is NO longer a matter of National Securtiy. I have more and more connections to Boeing. It has been stated before that Duane's brother acted as a consultant to Boeing for 6 yrs. Now for another Boeing connection. Most of you have heard me mention Duane's parents relocating from Ohio to Ca and they ran a Sherwin Williams Paint and Decorations store in Huntington beach. Now how does a paint and decorations store in Huntington beach connect Duane to Boeing? There was a relative Duane NEVER told me about. This individual helped develope and worked in Chemical Warfare for the Army during WWI and he worked for Sherwin Williams before and after the war. He was directly or indirectly responsible for the employment of Duane's parents...not friends of the family. During WWII he again is called to serve his country...but it is unclear in what capacity he served. At that time he was well established as a CHEMIST for Sherwin Williams. Sherwin Williams did indeed have the Boeing contract in its development stage and as the first 727 rolled off the line. If there exists an invitation list for the Roll-out of that first Boeing one will find his name there. What Duane didn't tell me! And there is more, but I will let you guys digest this and do you own searching. The history on the Sherwin Williams site suddenly went POOF! Of course we are all aware of Boeing's involvement in Vietman and the Boeing was built in WA. Duane knew the 727 inside out and I mean that literally. I am NOT the one responsible for finding this information and it has taken me several wks to digest this information or get it all screwed up. What we have now is several connections to Boeing that involved Duane and Duane's family. The grudge - and why he hijacked the plane on Nov. 24, 1971. Back in the 40's, 50's, and 60's if a member of your family committed a crime - you might forgive them the first time and swallow your pride, then arrange to help them overcome. Repeat offenses and you were ousted from the family. The rest of Duane's family flourished, but Duane was disowned and disinherited. Duane had told me his brother cheated him out of his inheritance, but he never told me how or why or how much it was. I assumed his family struggled and had no idea of the history that has been revealed to me. I want to publicly thank a wonderful lady for her assistance in providing this information - this was NOT the results of any investigation done by me or my guys, but by a brilliant woman I have never met. Perhaps NONE of this proves Duane was Cooper, but the ODD are sure stacking up. As I have said before - I could present the ticket and the FBI would not acknowledge Duane was Cooper. Georger, you accused people of enabling me - but did the FBI find this and did they examine the relevance of this? NO! This woman found me and this information is PUBLIC records. You, my dear Georger found NOTHING regarding Weber. Most of you have prejudged me and accepted the word of the FBI when they claimed to have investigated Duane Weber. I applaud the brilliant woman who found this information - it does NOT prove Duane was Cooper, but it DOES increase the ODDS and gives one more thought as to the motive and the grudge. Ok Itzaak. Thanks for the info - George
  3. Post when you are available. I have news. Please post your news after he is available and posts so that you may then post your news
  4. I am now headed back to washougal for a week search. Or to tell the truth to grieve . and search Post when you are available. I have news.
  5. He's definately one of a kind. I had an uncle sort of like him - kept everyone entertained and he was for real. He and my grandmother had a going thing that went clear back to when they were all teens. One Chanukah he gave my grandmother 'one golash'... said the mate had been lost 'just like my grandmother's lack of a husband' ... another Chanukah he gave my Gram a half a grapefruit. Always gift wrapped professionally. Kept the family in stitches for years... Rickles did mention Cooper in one of his monologues ... I cant repeat what he said.
  6. That's me: an enabler with nothing better to do. As soon as I find something better to do, I'll stop enabling, but it's hard. 377 Funny. Just posted my favoriyte candidate for Cooper above. He even claimed tobe Cooper once!
  7. No question about it???? Quote: was this guy Cooper? (attached) ( favor the Dr. OZ healthcare system!}
  8. No question about it???? You must have extraordinary evidence, which of course you cannot share at this time...etc. Case closed I guess. Just waiting for the minor details. 377 Jo thinks she is a celebrity, but that requires enablers with nothing better to do.
  9. Maybe your and Sir Cook's assumptions were wrong? Not to mention your approach which usually conveys intention! You just followed Galen Cook into a black hole. What justifies your statement: "I gave the woman all the information I’ve uncovered about Tina and described my concern for her mental state." How in hell can you make an appriasal of the mental state of a person you dont even know and have never met and never will meet, and what in your own person do you think justfies such an approach based on huge assumptions?! A 5 year old would have a better grasp of reality! So, what is the five year old's assessment of Tina, and the reticence of the principles in the Cooper case to discuss its dynamics? Perhaps I was unclear. I didnt say anything about a 5 year old's assesment of Tina Mucklow. The issue at stake is not 'an assessment of Tina Mucklow', or any other person, but your investigative methodology. Forget Ms. Mucklow! She may never grant you an interview and she does not owe anyone an explanation. Especially since you have premised your introduction with the statement you think she is mentally ill and in danger from herself. That is not a great intro, to say the least. Most people would run as soon as they heard those words or anything like them! By making a statement like that you are putting your credibility out front ahead of everything. The comparison to a five year is this: A normal five year old is dependent and quite aware of the people in its life, their feelings and moods, their strategies, and the normal five year old has a fairly sophisticated sense of where its own well being starts and ends and how to attain self satisfaction or not. The normal five year old has already built a fairly sophisticated strategy for self preservation ... and is ready to learn from others as opposed to teaching others, already. In your relationship to perspective clients which include Tina Mucklow you are similarly dependent. In that sense it would be good not to tell your client she is mentally ill and a danger to herself! even if you think or feel that. And anyone who would advise a 'psychological approach' of this kind is an idiot, precisely because they are missing the central issue of 'dependency' and who is in control of what. Because in this case the deeper issue at stake between adults is conscience and integrity, and one's capacity to 'take the needs of the other person seriously as opposed to servicing only one's own interests. If you cant do that or even fake it well, then better not to try at all, because it is not Tina Mucklow's job or role in life .... to save or educate you! If you act like a self-righteous expert but aren't an expert, you are likely to get yourself into trouble. Does any of this make sense? Perhaps not, because I have followed your methodology for some time, and what I am talking about is so elementary as to hardly need mentioning, except in this case and in similar cases where many people attracted to the DB Cooper 'thing' seem to have an agenda even before they arrive - and its obvious. Quade commented about this almost at the very start of this whole thread, and some people refuse to even get involved in this case precisely for the reasons Ive cited here many times. We all have our own perspectives.
  10. Bruce, re Tina "clamming up" - by all accounts she was highly traumatized by the incident. Whatever a pop psychologist might think she "should" do, it's understandable that she just does not want to talk about it. And if you look at it objectively, if she were to decide to open up at some stage, a journalist probably wouldn't be first choice... "pop psychology" is an accurate description. Bruce speaks of his bretheren and sisters .... at the NY Times? Hardly. Plainly classified, it is pop psychology from non professionals attached to some further informal or madeup appendage which then claims a "media" credential. Snoop Dog may play his version of some Bach but this does not make Snoop Dog an expert on Bach! Then if Snoop starts talking about Bach's "mental state" only clarifies Snoop Dog's mental state. These are precisely the associations which are threatening. Bruce may need to be careful he doesnt wind up on some stalker list! Bruce began with Barb Foreman and now he and Cook have consulted and Bruce wishes to be known as an expert on Mucklow's mental state in the present tense? Bruce may try to ride this "goose" to the carnival, but he should not be surprised if he is stopped on the premise of 'cruelty to animals' and a violation of basic common sense? Now if Bruce, 377, and Galen Cook all pile on the goose to ride to the carnival - that could kill the goose. The Golden Goose has left the building. All dumbasses should pile off !
  11. I really wonder at all of this. It can’t be because I’m just a pesky journalist and folks are tired of the “Cooper nuisance.” Maybe your and Sir Cook's assumptions were wrong? Not to mention your approach which usually conveys intention! You just followed Galen Cook into a black hole. What justifies your statement: "I gave the woman all the information I’ve uncovered about Tina and described my concern for her mental state." How in hell can you make an appriasal of the mental state of a person you dont even know and have never met and never will meet, and what in your own person do you think justfies such an approach based on huge assumptions?! A 5 year old would have a better grasp of reality!
  12. and any man's a hard case spends 10 years in the box, and we lost the keys ta the box in 1945. any man can't find the key to the box, spends the night in the box.
  13. Sorry to hear this Jerry. Tke care - get some rest. All OK and holding firm here. Oldest son just announced a new grandchild - Im working on an observatory to get it ready for remodling next Spring (but weather dropped out, very cold!), .... more, we can talk when you are rested. Take care. The project we discussed is still on the table but the lady got very busy with classes etc - she is backed up but hasnt forgpotten us. I told her no rush... G.
  14. if McCoy had kept his mouth shut and not been caught, I bet there would also be a conspiracy theory about that. McCoy was going to be caught in any event ... he was a social person with social leaks all around him .... his mouth was just one leak, or door to his capture! It is the lack of any thread leading to Cooper that is somewhat mystifying and leads to conspiracy theories. The idea that Cooper was a loner and not missed/reported missing. Then you have these two Einstein's years later, Dvorak and whosit (Myers), who think they have discovered the wheel when they find a scent trail 50 miles wide! And KOIN goes into a mythical frenzy over what they already know is nothing - such is the monied media! Everyone's reputations get butchured in the process and nobody really cares becuase by that date reputations in Amereica are as expendable as toilet tissue - Now we have this forum here with its OUTBACK CLEANER BOWL POPUPS which bring in revenue and block posters but we dont even know if Cooper knew Tina's name! And we wonder why and why villans become heroes ! If anyone knows (can prove) Cooper knew Tina's name then they arent saying for personal reasons or its a secret the likes of which only Myers,Dvorak, Weber, Cook, etal can conspiratorially utter! Whatever happened to Ole' Tom Kaye. Did he retire with the fishes? And what of Ole' Jerry Thomas? Did a bear eat him? Funny. Cooper was not found because there was no ejecta from his descent and he took everything with him. The continental plates shifted and tossed money the Devil has not spent backup on the surface, at a popular resort everyone knew called Tina's Bar. Lovers rolling in the sand would have found it within a year, instead two kids with their trailertrash parents find it instead, and the FBI forgives them! Every God damned thing in the country is an OUTBACK CLENSAER popup SOAP OPERA!
  15. Facts about Duane Weber have never been disclosed by the FBI or they didn't have it - your choice of what you believe. You have been saying this since you started, years ago, even before there were "socalled facts" to disclose or not disclose. So, our is not to reason why but simply to do as you command? Is this what ur saying? Sounds like a schizoid shell game to me!
  16. Live NASA TV at: http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html of the LCROSS lunar impact w. live NASA TV coverage beginning at 6:15am edt. This is a project to search for lunar water at the south pole... Target site jpegs attached .
  17. ps- I find it interesting that tina was the name of one of the flight attendants (if i remember correctly) and some money was found on tinas bar. That coincidence has not been missed. Did Tina give Cooper her name or did he learn it? Did Tina have a name tag? We have yet to get a solid answer to that - Money then turning up on Tina's Bar (the old sign did read TINA'S BAR), might be a clue to burial or plant in the most appropriate of all places, but most people say its just a coincidence.
  18. There once was a DZ in California that had a bar operating all day and most of the night. Draw your own conclusions. I once listened to a jumper with gin on his breath, at this DZ, ranting about the "goddamned hippies at Elsinore" who were jumping drugged. We werent sitting at the bar, we were riding in a DC 3. 377 The alcohol issue always falls back on management to control, or not control, and they usually do nothing - while everyone else is compromised in the meantime sometimes for years and even generations in organisations. Its a very serious problem in human society and for some organisations becomes decisive. There is no such thing as "just one alcoholic", but "just one or three of five alcoholics" and a tribe of "enablers"! Call 354-BEER! The next binge drinking party is commercial business advertised on radio here! Politicians don't dare touch it right up to the Attorney General of the State.
  19. On another note, Sluggo mailed and advises he is reading the forum but has been busy with personal business. He sends Cheers to everyone...
  20. Pretty unlikely, but it shows out of the box thinking which we need here. Can you imagine this happening and creating a "money contrail" over a wide swath of countryside? WILD! I wonder if Cooper might have bounced up and down testing the stability of the stairs and waited perhaps another 5 or 10 minutes to leap, looking for landmarks or just open spaces? The FBI sled test argues that the oscillations or bumps were due to Cooper's departure, but I wonder... It's funny how the forum has tides that go between Cooper died on the jump and Cooper lived. We seem to be at low tide now. Want to do some more HAHO radio telemetry jumps this weekend, but NOAA is posting NW gale warnings on the coast. I'll have to scrub it if it is too windy at the DZ. 377 and a money contrail surely would have left evidence found... one placard did! But imagine the door is open and stairs extended and you are all alone and now free to do whatever you will do. Do you jump por not? What kinds of people would or would not. Is 25 years in prison worth not jumping and giving this charade up? How much of a "grduge" does it take to jump if you lack skills? Is whatever is pushing Cooper enough to have him jump if he doesnmt have skills? Cooper has lucked out thus far, now its jump or dont jump!
  21. What if you tried to pull immediately, but couldn't? How does the scenario pan out then? If you end up pulling later? If you don't end up pulling at all the outcome is obvious... That is exactly what Cossey is getting to , that Cooper got fouled up trying to get the chute open, m,aybe never got the chute open. Cosey describes two distinct actions required - pull out then up (or was it up then out?). I probably would not get the damned thing open! For all we know the chute got snagged on the stairs (oscillations?) and Cooper got dragged along spilling money and everything - somewhere? I just always have placed a lot of faith in what Cossey has said. Cossey was pissed with this whole thing, thechutes that were selected/given, the time element (mad rush), etc. But Cossey said IF he got the chute open some body landed somewhere (conscious-unconscious, alive, tree enema, etc?) Cossey also said the way Cooper tied the money bag around his waste was an open invitation to the bag coming up and knocking him unconscious or worse.. And not one shred of chute or bag or anything else found at Tina Bar or in its environs to date. The money either flowed there magically, or it was lost there (walked there), or it fell near there from the air and worked it way to the bar from somewhere not too far away ..
  22. Someone clarify this up-stream and down-stream for those of us who do NOT live in Washington. I did not know in the beginning that the Columbia actually flows North and yet, the Washougal flows South like most Rivers. I think this detail is confusing not only for me. but for others unfamiliar with the terms up and down in reference to the Columbia. Georger I know it is elementary for you but would you make a small post explaining this and what is meant by washed back up stream. It is referenced often in the thread - and I wonder if others have the same difficulty as I do..... Silly Request from the Dumb Broad with Blonde Root. Current flows/falls "down" a river by gravity, from "upstream". Dr Livingston I presume?
  23. yeah I saw that, but didn't highlight it. A phrase like that was in a couple of articles, saying the FBI were looking at that. But there was another article with a tide guy dismissing it. My take was that the reporter caught a random thought from the FBI before it was resolved. But it is interesting that someone thought it was a possibility. Oh I saw the date Palmer came in. An article said Wednesday, 2/14/80. I noticed the above too - Good work. Glad you found these! It gives perspective...
  24. I agree with Cossey. I also think if he pulled right away instability wasn't a big issue. As for ground survival after landing I just don't know. Jerry says dead man Snow says alive. Nigel raises a good point about random ejections. If the chute deploys most live. I don't dismiss Jerrys survival training, local knowledge and jump experience. He states a lot more conclusions than explanations bur you can't say he lacks expertise. Cossey's whole issue was the "hard pull" of his chute, but as we have read here, most old timers say 'hard pull' was a way of life for those whose experience base was WWII era gear/practices. Cossey is basically agreeing with Nigel (and you). I dont question Jerry's credentials or experience, but I do sense Jerry is over-thinking the problem. I work with hundreds of people who "think" for a living and Im pretty sensitive to people who begin long diatribes of iffs, andds, butts, and maybes only to wind up with a dead certainty who usually proves wrong. Jerry is working from the data he has been given, but there is no data about what happened once Cooper was on the steps unless the money at Tina Bar is part of the data. Ckret said the mere fact of the money at Tina Bar indicates a "greedy" Cooper died, because he wouldnt part easily with some of hs hard-won money and the money arrived on the bar by natural means (was not buried). Which is more probable? That some remnant of the money flows its way over 8 years down the Washougal then the Columbia to wind up at Tina Bar by some complex hydro explanation, or that the money was lost at Tina Bar with Cooper or someone else alive and on foot? The Fazio farm would have been an excellent place to hold out and rest or hide for part of the night, or meet someone - the farm and Tina's Bar were very well known! The whole area from Catapillar Island to Tina Bar would have been an excellent meeting place. (There is a railroad right to the area which comes south via the V23 corridor where most think Cooper bailed). I believe Tom Kaye (if he wanted to) could make a very strong case that the money at Tina Bar has never been anywhere else but on that bar, based on forensic evidence alone. Nothing has ever been found other than near Castle Rock and at Tina Bar. This includes anywhere in or near the Wasougal, the Washougal outlet, or on the Columbia... A better analysis of the money (all of the money!) is required and I am sure the FBi is aware of this fact.