georger

Snow is right and skydivers know this. How many skydivers have managed to hit the only obstacle in a large clear area? Object fixation. I'm outta here for a few days...keep the good stuff going guys

why? did you hit the telephone pole and are now groping for an explanation? In any event you cant use an assumption to justify a flight path which in turn justifies the assumption. Yes. There is a story about a boy finding a body, in a second version the body is hanging from a tree. Another crop circle story without the crop circle! If we found a body beside the river could we know if the body came by the river or was simply dumped by the river. Probably. We look for water in the lungs or other signs. If the bodywas dead prior to being in the river we look for other telltale signs. But if we find footprints and tirte tracks behind the body then its a fair bet the body was dumped. Were there fragments leading back up the bank at Tina Bar as opposed to strung out in a linear shape parallel to theriver? Is there anything in the money which proves it came by the river as opposed to having arrived by land and sat for a long time?

precisely and winds etc .............

Everyone agrees there was a fragment field. Almost everyone agrees fragments were found at depth (4+ inches). Everyone agrees Igram found his under 1/2-2" inches, not sitting on the surface fully exposed. The forensics on the money examined shows inclusions which require more time than one day to develop, and are entirely consistent with the money being in some place (on the surface) for an extended period of time. (These forensics have yet to be published). All of the above speak against the over-night high tide wash-in theory of Mr. Fazio. A short term high tide wash-in theory cannot explain the data or any piece of the data you chose to examine, from debris field to depth aspects to condition of the money witnessed in situ on Tina Bar. No high tide can explain the facts. In the case of high tides on the Columbia (especially at Tina Bar) it is not simply a matter of water rising and falling but currents are involved also. The geometry of a high tide with current and debris fields high tides leave does not fit the facts of the money find at Tina Bar. It really is as simple as that.

I think the sand slurry would be a big protectant. Also note, that only 3 bundles got thru. So yeah a bunch might have gotten destroyed. Who knows if the bag helped save some? maybe. Sand slurry is very corrosive under pressure. You carve rock and hard materials with sand slurry under pressure. It is possible the dredge destroyed the bag and 98% of the contents ... but a lab examination of the sands would easily show cotton fibres etc ... that analysis was never done of course. They didnt even take soil samples and analyse them so far as I know. Here's a thought: we have a large array of fragments types for sure. pieces in all kinds of sizes including microscopic. then large in tact bills in good condition except at the edges and a few holes. Total volume is estimated at what? Well over any $5800 but how much over? 100 debris field. Fragments found at 6-8 inches. Ingram finds his under 1/2-2 inches of sand maybe slightly deeper. He wiped sand away to reveal a clump of something and he tried to dig the clump out... how much digging? If the dredging had not been done we would be discussing washed-in VRS erosion exposed or Fazio vrs. not-Fazio hi tide.

yes exactly, rocks shot out of this thing like canon balls, whole tv sets .......... gives you an idea of the forces involved ........ forget the cutter heads for amoment ........ could a wet rotted bag stay in tact? Could unprotedted bundles of money stay in tact!? With rubber bands still in place at the end of the trip ........ friction alone in this stream of sand etc under the pressures at hand would have turned the wads of money into soup?

Agree. From what you know of the dredge type, could the stacked bills have made it through intact?

There would have to be a match between high tide mark(s) and money location if the two are connected. (has nothing to do with money condition but keep in mind bands were in tact on two bundle which is no accident). Photo attached show "black sand". Now we know where and what black sand is - I am also going to post one of yours you posted some time ago -

If so, then it shouldn't tell Fazio anything either. Fazio seems adamant on saying the position of the money find means something. I think the right answer is "There's nothing about the condition of the money found, that can be used to make some theory about the position of the money find, vs water levels" The only thing Fazio is adamant about is that the money arrived with a high tide. He seems to equate noticed or found with some immediately prior high tide. He could be right but he could be wrong. Noticing or the discovery of the money in no way guarantees its date of deposition. Fazio's logic stems from his claim everything was on the surface (nothing deep), as if having just been deposited by a high tide. That still does not guarantee a dat of deposition, and factually Fazio is wrong. Pieces of money were found "under the surface" during the excavation, after the Ingram find. That is just a fact witnessed by "many". The brushy area behind the money find interests me. Was a bag snagged there and decayed then money worked its way down back toward the water and spread out over time to suddenly be discovered, with a fragment field then noticed by Fazio. But a single high tide would not create the forensic field found at Ingram's discovery or afterwards during the excavation. BTW: Tom says he measured the beach and the money find location is in a location unaffected by the dredging debris. He bases this on measurements alone so far as I know -

well, the righthand photo is a piece of crap on any account. I guess its a photo? It almost looks like drawing. Or a drawing over a photo? Its blured. Maybe is fallen into water. I dont recall its origin. The whole purpose of the photo was supposedly to show the trenches that were dug at T-Bar during the excavation, but I question that. There is something about this socalled photo that looks unreal - I almost didnt post it except that it supposedly reflects all the trenches dug at Tina Bar.

and the "dark sand" is? Its been two years and you havent figured that out yet? You must not want to know! Keeps your act alive I guess... are you a drunk? The dark sand is caused by ammonium nitrate, washed down from the Washougal. Traces of acetone and hydrogen peroxide were also found in it. However, I don't want to know. Funny. Now that I can live with. Damned funny. You did your homework and you do have memory. Good show! Mooooo.

(the dark sand, I'm thinking, is where the water level changes due to tide) and the "dark sand" is? Its been two years and you havent figured that out yet? You must not want to know! Keeps your act alive I guess... are you a drunk?

A good allegorical shit sometimes helps. Getting ready to write your memoirs?

How did Fazio recognise the feds? How did Fazio recognise Blue Bunny? How did Fazio recognise Fazio!?

... and you commented about other people's literacy!? I make this observation before Snow does - he's always distracted and slow. ... I think you are the other idiot in Jo's "we". ... and you are correct. It does not matter what I think. Nor does it matter what you think. Snow will prove that to you quickly. Break a leg. Let the show begin.

(edit) Farflung: there's a song and dance that happens when fresh meat shows up here. Georger kisses butt (witness what happened when Jerry and Bruce first showed up)...eventually georger gets disgusted and attacks..etc. Me: I think you have nothing. You would be wrong in any event -

OK, I say laughing. Thanks for the explanation.

I can do that, easily.. already had been until the latest. Regards -

I have some sure fire theory which is based on a computer model and has a result of XX near Vancouver, WA. Is this based on winds from 166* (Bohan) vrs 235*, or some ground effect of cross winds or CCW rotating cell, ... as 305 flew west of PDX ? You say you have been researching this years. Have you talked to Rat and others? Care to drop any names of people you have talked to? Im going to say this once and drop it. Jerry searches where he does primarily because he was lead there by others who are supposed to be the experts in this case... in addition to his own personal checking of records. That's just my sense of this. Im not speaking for Jerry. Jerry's problem with Jo Weber are a completely separate matter entirely. Jerry is hardly the only person in WA who Weber has aggravated. But since youve been at this search for years you know all of this - you may know more than e do here for all I know! I should explain I had family on the ground in WA when this hijacking happened - that is where my interest begins but, I have NOT made a liftime of researching this matter ... I have never lived in WA.

I'd bet that the data link auto intercept was not used, for reasons unknown. It was a complicated system and trouble prone. If it had been used, the F 106s would have easily found the 727. Yes the tapes. I would bet they existed (for a while) but mine is pure speculation - well based on rumors, rumors in LE from people who imo. have no reason to bs this. I thought the F106s did creep up on 305 but were unable to keep a straight line path behind due to their greater velocity... were ordered to lay back and not overfly 305, and followed a curvy path behind 305, then saw 305 flash its strobe as ordered after they thought C had bailed. Sluggo could verify my interp.

So, was your trip cancelled or just another hoax?

I willr epeat it since you have ignored it for 13+ years when people asked. Im asking for myself and all the others again: quote: idnt Duane PLEAD WITH YOU!!! ON HIS DEATHBED!!! to ....... LET IT ALL GO!? And here you are years later. Its obvious what the Washington trip was about, far far from home. Duane was looking for a method and a place to bury you! Duane only wanted you to think he was Cooper. He had something different on his mind. Be glad you escaped and put it behind you! (This post was edited by georger on Sep 24, 2009, 10:03 PM)

I will repeat idnt Duane PLEAD WITH YOU!!! ON HIS DEATHBED!!! to ....... LET IT ALL GO!? And here you are years later. Its obvious what the Washington trip was about, far far from home. Duane was looking for a method and a place to bury you! Duane only wanted you to think he was Cooper. He had something different on his mind. Be glad you escaped and put it behind you! (This post was edited by georger on Sep 24, 2009, 10:03 PM)it - maybe you're deaf and blind?

Yes. Youve said this before. The issue at hand is if the system was being used that night, do you have proof that was the case, and were any records kept and do we know that for sure? Its clear the aircraft had the potential you say. That is not questioned. The issue is: was the system being used for intercept that night, were records generated, were records kept, are records still available which would clarify flight path issues - Its a simple question.

Didnt Duane PLEAD WITH YOU!!! ON HIS DEATHBED!!! to ....... LET IT ALL GO!? And here you are years later. Its obvious what the Washington trip was about, far far from home. Duane was looking for a method and a place to bury you! Duane only wanted you to think he was Cooper. He had something different on his mind. Be glad you escaped and put it behind you!