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Rataczak lays out the scenario clearly: 1) Airstairs open. Crew feels pressure bump in ears. Indicator light comes on showing door is now open in flight. 2) A short time later, less than two minutes at most, crew feels the plane bounce. 3) At the same time, the indicator light goes OFF for a second, and then comes back on for good, staying on for the remainder of the flight to Reno. 4) The indicator light came back on because when Cooper jumped, the stairs rebounded back to an almost-closed position for a second (light goes off), and then settled back down (light comes back on). I think this is your scenario - not Rat's. Rat's scenario conforms with the Transcript. Your's doesn't. Read the Transcript. Spend time reading the back thread ... it's all been discussed before as much as you dislike and ignore that.

Who said what -] Jo. I have to ask - Whats the word down there about the Anthony trial? Looks like a helluva mess from here ?

Thus H in the Ntl Guard helicopter is flying around in the soup, in total dark, search lights off, looking for Cooper on the ground ... any lights, fire, watching vehicles moving, etc etc etc. Now that IS dark. You KNOW that has been disputed - a lot of things were reported by the media and writers strickly for the dramatics - and NOT always actual. You were NOT on that plane and these writers where NOT on that plane nor the investigators, but the CREW was! Disputed by who? Blevins? It's real. Flew at least 20 miles north, flew search patterns, search lites out, . . .

Thus H in the Ntl Guard helicopter is flying around in the soup, in total dark, search lights off, looking for Cooper on the ground ... any lights, fire, watching vehicles moving, etc etc etc. Now that IS dark. Georger, The helicopter was presumably below the clouds and could probably see ground lights. But it didn't have a chance of spotting Cooper or the airliner either. Robert Nicholson

George Nuttall states in his book, page 95, that Ralph Himmelsbach (quoting the copilot) told Nuttall's research associate, Harry Grady, that the cloud cover below them in the Portland/Vancouver area was so dense that they could not see landmarks or even the glow of city lights. Robert Nicholson Thus H in the Ntl Guard helicopter is flying around in the soup, in total dark, search lights off, looking for Cooper on the ground ... any lights, fire, watching vehicles moving, etc etc etc. Now that IS dark.

only damage seems to be the fabric) If you mean the sratches, they are scratches on te photo, not damage on the fabric ?

Why I did the PDF: It's a lot easier to review and research this huge amount of information by clicking 'next page' in an Adobe PDF than it is to wade through them on a website. Plus, you get to use the whole screen and it reads much faster and quicker. Also...you can print them all up, or just the pages you want, and view them at your leisure. The only thing I couldn't do was enable all the hyperlinks. There were over 5,000 of them, and a few had problems. This is understandable. However, it's still a good document, especially with all those posts by SnowBanned and Ckret. As long as I don't make it available publicly or distribute it, I am not breaking copyright law. It's strictly for private use and research. I wouldn't mind making it available if I was assured of not being sued on a C violation. I understand those rules and I support them completely. Geoff Gray's 'galleys'. That was a mistake by Skipp Porteous. He meant a copy of the book. Several people have one, not just him. If you check the book's Amazon listing, you'll see there are already at least three reviews posted on the book. And these reviews are done by special folks at Amazon who are allowed to view the book in advance. So some copies ARE distributed before the actual release, just not a lot of them. I agree that no one has the uncorrected galleys, as those are only distributed in-house by the publisher and between the author and the publisher. I should have corrected Skipp on that right away. My fault for repeating that when I knew he really meant 'the book'. The excerpts from 'Skyjack' that I've personally seen came from the actual upcoming book on an iPad via Alex Hannaford, the Brit journalist who was allowed to have a copy. I had to promise not to reveal the content to anyone in exchange for the privelege of viewing it. I will say this: I was completely satisfied with the way Geoff Gray handled the KC thing. Come on, you KNOW that's the first thing I searched out in that book. That, and the term 'Mucklow'. And that's all you'll get out of me about it right now. Once you see the book for yourself, you'll understand what I mean, and that's not long to wait. Maybe nine weeks, I think. The day that 'Skyjack' hits the stands, I'm going to post up a glowing review about it on my column at MSNBC/Newsvine and give it five stars. It's not just great, it's a soul-searching personal journey and a literary work of art. I hope Gray gets a Pulitzer. They should have given him one on the New York Magazine article. Had that article appeared in Reader's Digest, Time, or People Magazine, I think he would have received one. I don't give a rat's behind whether some producer in Hollywood likes my work. I'm a publisher first, and an author second. The reason I'm writing a screenplay on the KC thing is FOR FUN. Yes...it is actually FUN to write them, especially using the screenplay software from Celtx. No one is going to buy that screenplay. I know that. We're selling the film rights, not a screenplay. I just want one for my office, that's all. The guys in New York who want the rights already have a screenwriter, and he's done scripts for Miramax Films. Yeah, yeah. I changed the opening scene on the KC script to fueling from a tanker truck. When the going gets tough...the tough rock. I've always been a big believer. http://youtu.be/xtqy4DTHGqg Post this 20 more times. I dont think people saw - read it before ... Maybe just tip another one and go to bed?

Until he is officially eliminated by the Bureau as a suspect, (with definitive proof presented) I will continue to support Kenny Christiansen as the most likely so far. No you won't. You dont have the psychological makeup for that. Rd says you will do otherwise, at the first or second skirt that passes by!

I agree that he likely had no position fix when he jumped. 377 And yet he bails right on the doorstep of a fixed most visible point (from SEA south), until you get points further below PDX. Lets try this: assume Cooper is enclosed in a black box with time his only variable - time spinning in his head. The box will open on the stairs and he must jump; cant re-enter the box. Where does Cooper jump? What kind of distribution predicts where he will jump, in internal time his only reference? Is this an unweighted (unbiased) random distribution, a random walk, or what kind of distrbution - or no predictable pattern at all? If a thousand monkies are put on the stairs ready to jump, with no choice but to jump, where will monkies generally jump, from SEA to Reno ? (What difference between monkies vs humans ?) What factors could bias a random distrbution of jumping somewhere near the middle of the route, or nearer the 1/3rd point, or 2/3rds point, or wherever RD predicts the jump(s) will be ? Now talk to me about: "no position fix when" the subject jumped, or will jump ? As it happened, the jump occurred in the vicinity of Vancover-Portland - the first and largest landmark south of PDX until points further south. Now talk to me about: "no position fix".

Mr. Blevins had previously said he and Porteous had Geoff Gray's galleys. Several other people had told me they have read Geoff's galleys. Then others wrote asking if I had Geoff's galley - I said no. And several others who I would have expected to have Geoff's galleys (if he was sharing them with people) reported they did not have Geoff's galleys. I have been communicating with Geoff Gray today and just as an aside Geoff remarks, as follows: "I haven't sent galleys to anyone and I'm not sure how people, other than reviewers, have gotten them. (I'd also point out that the galleys were "uncorrected proofs" and the final manuscript has corrections to many typos and misnomers and errors.)". So, for Geoff's sake I am posting Geoff's remarks today about this controversy which frankly, I believe.

Without knowing the intended use, the author/copier has in mind, how can you even comment? He did not state his intended use ... just the fact he is copying and converting. Your client list has grown. First Snowmman. Now Blevins. Common theme = anarachy? DZ has its own Terms and Rules, in any event. How will this resolve? I have no idea. So Im not sitting here all smug a comfortable in my position. Why are we having to deal with this "shit" at all? It never has come up before. Or has it? Most people are just content to be here and post. Blevins has always had something more in mind. That much is obvious. It's a matter of trust, isn't it ?

and you will own the contents of this thread ? better talk to Quade and the owner(s). This is a first! Have you read the Terms and Rules of this website? Under Terms it states, quote: '(I) By publishing or submitting any content including, articles, stories, postings and photographs to any part of Dropzone.com you give permission that such content may be used at the sole discretion of Dropzone.com anywhere else on the site, for any purpose, in its original or edited form, at any time in the future. Content will not be sold without permission of the original author or owner.' It does not state that content of this website may be taken by a user and used outside the context of this website. Nowhere in the Rules or Terms does it state the contents of the site may be copied or converted for the personal ownership of a user or distributed by a user outside this website ... You and AB Books specificially do NOT have my permission to copy, edit, and sell or trade or market in any manner, my posts here at Dropzone.

You do need an aviation savvy co-author or editor Robert. Without one you'll make more technical gaffes. I don't have any problem with you trying to pen a screenplay. Go for it. I'll be really surprised if anybody makes serious money on any endeavor related to Norjack short of an autobiography by Cooper himself. It's just not a lucrative thing for third parties. 377 Ive never known an established writer who did not advise: "write what you know". Good writers spend an inordinant amount of time getting to know their subjects, inside and out. Of course the same can be said of carpenters or any other walk in life.

Funny how all this stuff intersects. Sheridan Peterson undoubtedly has some strong opinions about the Pioenix program, having been a refugee advisor and witnessing atrocities in Viet Nam committed in the quest to find VC among the peasants in the south. Col Waite, at least in that one photo, sure looks like the DBC FBI sketch, but that proves little. Nice to know folks like Pat71 are still looking for new suspects. We get pretty inbred here. 377 Yes, the "sadness" I saw in pix of Waite that Pat 71 shared with us reflect something that's in the composite sketches I had never seen before. Remarkable. A very long shot, I think. I agree with your line of thinking. But good work Bruce. The photo is remarkable.

It’s statements like that (and many more) that cause me to form the opinion that you are immature and suffer from illusion of central position. (Remember when you stated that you thought I should shut down my website because I put-up a link that some kook posted to?) georger and I have had some (strong and heated) disagreements over the years, but his worth to the NORJAK investigation is “orders of magnitude” above yours. You know nothing about the Sci-team, most posters and hangers-on at DZ.com know nothing about the Sci-team. Why? Because they work quietly and without all the bragging and hoopla that accompanies your posts. You do not have the faintest idea about georger’s background. You know nothing about his academic credentials, his history with the NORJAK, investigation, his hobbies or likes and dislikes. You have no idea who he communicates with, or where he gets information about the case. The same can be said about several more posters and none posters here at DZ.com. You know why you don’t know about these people? Well Robert… It’s your personality. A different approach might garner some assistance in your “research” (or quest) to prove KC was Cooper, but, no one with any horsepower at all will get near you. So, carry on being a big fish in a very small pond. Let's see what the future holds. Thanks Sluggo. G.

. This is GREAT NEWS! Keep up the good work. At last you appear to be doing something worthwhile, and so richly deserved. It was necessary, that's all. IMHO you should be kicked off that Cooper Team, if for nothing else...bad manners. If you got caught with egg on your face because of your constant personal insults, you brought this on yourself. And everything I've tossed back at you was deserved. When the going gets tough, the tough crank up The Kinks. How can you not like The Kinks? Come on, everybody does. (*laughs*) Is that what it was in the background!? Kinks? Get help. I never was a part of some "Cooper Team". You haven't the faintest clue - and you never will. Someone has been feeding you a line of bullshit, probably because they thought you deserved it.

It's a scary thought. Side Note: I'm through fooling around. I will let the cat out of the bag. We're writing a screenplay based on the life of KC and the subsequent investigation into the possibility he could be Cooper. Come on now, don't be angry. Right or wrong, you knew we would do it eventually. . This is GREAT NEWS! Keep up the good work. At last you appear to be doing something worthwhile, and so richly deserved.

I wasn't ignoring you. I just didn't care. Someone mentioned above that you could pay the safety deposit box fees in advance. Okay, let's say Gossett did just that. Then at some point, even those fees will run out because he's been dead for a while now. So if we wait long enough, even the dead guy's fees will expire and the truth will be known at last. (*laughs*) I may be wrong sometimes, but I've never been described as 'gullible'. This junk (The Gossett Fable) comes to you from the same folks pushing The Janet Story - Girl With the X-Ray Eyes. It's a scary thought. Side Note: I'm through fooling around. I will let the cat out of the bag. We're writing a screenplay based on the life of KC and the subsequent investigation into the possibility he could be Cooper. Come on now, don't be angry. Right or wrong, you knew we would do it eventually. This is GREAT NEWS! Keep up the good work. At last you appear to be doing something worthwhile, and so richly deserved.

Pat could be male or female. Who knows. It could be just what Pat says it is . . . Dont be so quick to jump to conclusions ? Whoever Pat is they made me happy - seeing someone who finally looks like the sketch ... with some saying Cooper looks like Einstein!

Pat, if this is addressed at me, I have no objection to your candidate at all. I was addressing Mr. Blevins, as was Farflung - trying to keep Blevins off your back. That is all. Thanks, G. PS: I might add: you are one of the first to take the FBI sketches seriously, in bringing a person of interest here. I appreciate this very much. Most of the candidate promoters to date either try to avoid the FBI sketches or explain them away as being irrelevant. I think your approach is valid and worthwhile.

Pat...are you saying that these seven points belong to your suspect? If so, you should investigate him further. Blevins: please keep up.

In my opinion this is a very long shot, even with the facial similarity. Any info the daughter could provide regarding leaves, dates, friends and associates who could be interviewed, any firm well founded evidence he was capable of something like this or had a cause/grudge (perhaps of a specific nature), was unstable (must be documented), any evidence he has been investigated, actual criminal record, ... in other words you must damned-near put him on the plane. You found the photo. Maybe you will get lucky with something else but, keep a sober mind about this. Chances are he is not Cooper. That is my advice and I know it isn't much. There are others here who may have some solid ideas for you to pursue, through questioning etc.

I have viewed lots of pic of this Colonel and I don't see it. His jowls are too different and I believe that Georger will agree his face is NOT the right shape. . No. Overall proportions are right in the ballpark. Its an uncanny closeness. The Col's cheeks are fuller than the Cooper sketch but not by much. Otherwise the similarity is uncanny. I am wondering about "olive skin" ? I don't quite see that but otherwise Im impressed by the similarity. BTW, the idea you couldhave a Rose Bowl full of such matches "in a suspect pool" (remark by Blevins) is total nonsense and wishful thinking. That would be statistically impossible.

Obviously he must be here first, on leave, something? But I share Farflung's positive reaction about the photos vs sketch. What we need is someone who can do the crime without 10-million assumptions & maybe's.

Jo - no. Wong is not a Vietnamese surname - would be Vu'ong or Uông. I am terrible at determining Chinese from Vietnamese and Japanese. Unfortunately they all look the same to me. I alway get it wrong. I never knew anything other than Duane and this man had a past and his name was Tony Wong. I knew who you were referring to when you posted the name. Thats why I piped up -