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I tried to work on the picture and do a comparison. Next time try using a computer! Try this. I will release the others when appropriate. Anyone notice the Elvis sideburns? Anyone notice the ____________________. ?

I, me, me, me, me, me me, me, me, me, me ) I look forward to your post that runs a full page! Then you can shoot for two pages, three, four. You have so much to teach the world.

GOOD! That means I can skip your post. I always skip the salesman or self promoter with the most italics!.

I think Cossey covered that pretty well (he knew his chute Cooper used) saying: "If he got it open, he landed". Overcoming odds & problems inherent in getting it open is the main issue, and the reason most cite for him dying..

Yes. I did say that. Tell me where it says she's a zombie or incompetent. I must have missed that part. It's pretty much as I said. She's had 'issues,' and I don't specify exactly what because I don't know. This is from her family and that's all they would say. Like I said, please don't put words into my mouth or lump me in with that so-called 'journalist,' Bruce Smith. Put words in your mouth? No. You say above: "She's had 'issues' over the years. To a degree, you could call them psychological issues. She's NOT crazy. She is doing okay now. And you won't be able to get a single thing out of her. There have been changes to her personality and she's a little fragile. This is why her family protects her. ...." In previous posts you were even more specific. It was you who arrived here presenting yourself as an expert on Tina Mucklow via Porteous. Read the thread. They are your posts.

good map!

and I just received this point of view, from a concerned citizen: Quote: "Who knows what gives with this. If they are looking for a real story ( and some real dollars) they can start by stopping any /all spending of additional funds into any further investigation into this long lost case and instead go after the more concerning and current cases ... There is some serious shit going on in our own backyards right now that is from this century, current, which has a more immediate affect on all of us, rather than battle over something that probably comes from WWII. Think about how many millions and millions of man hours, time and money that has already been wasted trying to solve this Cooper case ... Past the point of making sense if you ask me." So, opinions on every side. The writer of the above is in his thirties, married, with two children.

that the process is expensive and Cooper is not a priority. Expense or availability of certified resources is not an issue. There are any number of credible people who could solve those issues, with one phone call. The whole world knows that. Im not saying anything new - I worry more about legal issues, vs technical issues, in the above. Legal issues is what always takes time if there is cooperation at the other levels.

I have the same reservation, for the same reasons. The story is almost too good. And of course DZ has provided anyone wishing to build a story, a lot of fertile material. People should be aware: all facts in this case have not been presented at DZ - ever. Weigh your stories against that small fact. I am even troubled that the FBI apparently released this at all! That reveals my bias.

exactly. I also want to know where and how he got linked to the Dan Cooper comic book. I might as well just say this: what bothers me about this story is its as if someone picked pieces of things discussed here at dropozone (noncontroversial items) and lumped them together into a story. The fit is almost too good. Someone recently posted a photo of a vet who was a close resemblance of the composite sketches, then that person magically disappeared (or is still here lurking)? I hope we arent being set up. What is driving this story: us or a real person with a real story that just happens to fit with things discussed here? I am looking for three things which have not surfaced yet. I am amazed the mainstream media has picked this up so quickly - and appears to be digging into it. I did not think that level of interest even existed at this late date, especially given all of the fringe activity which has dominated the Cooper story for so long ...

I believe that his niece said that he was NOT a paratrooper. Makes it even more interesting, doesnt it. 377 does get Radios. There are three crucial things I am looking for which have not surfaced yet. I also want to know more about the alleged 'money troubles' because Ckret thought money was at the root of this (crime).

That is interesting, isnt it. The timeline in the ABC account has a problem also ? But prints and dna should be available - from all of them. I hope they thought about that?

Im still collating. It's a good middle-of-the-road account that fits with 'facts' I think I know and can prove. The guy should have military prints available. Familial and perhaps personal dna/mtdna available. The story has plausibility of an ordinary kind, for a change. No super heroes or leaps of factual logic required. It falls in the range of what you might expect ordinary people to do, for a change. The story holds out the possibility of hard evidence, for a change. The ordinary nature of the story may be its weakest part. Its too early to say. Its a very interesting story.

Baloney, Georger. I've never tried to contact Tina. I sent a book and a few pictures of KC to one of her relatives, along with a very polite letter. There was no response, so I left it at that. Porteous has spoken to one or two of Tina's family members. They told him this: Remembering the hijacking upsets her and she made a public decision long ago to not talk about it, and no...she doesn't want to look at pictures. These family members also told Porteous that Tina has had 'personal issues' over the years regarding the hijacking, but that she is fine now. I have no idea what 'personal issues' means, but I never said she was a 'zombie' or incompetent. I said she would be useless as a witness today. Please do NOT put words into my mouth. You have a lot of nerve trying to lump me in with a guy who goes around the country stalking people, and then publishes articles about these people full of nasty comments. reply] So, you did not make the previous posts below ? RobertMBlevins PM Friend United States Jumps License In sport: Jan 27, 2011, 10:15 PM Post #21621 of 25079 (190 views) Registered: Aug 1, 2010 Posts: 895 Re: [georger] Bruce's post [In reply to] Quote | Reply ________________________________________ Look, I kind of know what the deal is with Tina Mucklow. You can believe me or not, it's up to you. But before you decide if I'm right, consider this: I may have been wrong on some things occasionally, but I don't make up stuff regarding the Cooper case. Not intentionally, anyway. The True Tina Deal As Far As I Know It: Even if you could see her now, she would tell you she remembers little from the night of the hijacking. She's had 'issues' over the years. To a degree, you could call them psychological issues. She's NOT crazy. She is doing okay now. And you won't be able to get a single thing out of her. Remember, she's about 62 years old now and a bit different from the wide-eyed stew who dallied with Cooper. There have been changes to her personality and she's a little fragile. This is why her family protects her. And that's all you're getting out of me about it. I have all of this on very good information. You can take it or leave it as you like. It's a true bummer, since she was the best witness. Hey, speaking of stews...my first well, uh...experience was with a stew. It's a cute story, and NWA has a bit part in it: 'Your First Time is Always Memorable - and Here's Mine'. (insert evil laugh here) http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/...memorable- heres-mine ________________________________________ 'Don't give up reaching for the stars... just build yourself a bigger ladder.' (This post was edited by RobertMBlevins on Jan 27, 2011, 10:22 PM ---------------------------------------------------- RobertMBlevins PM Friend United States Jumps License In sport : Jan 28, 2011, 12:34 AM Post #21624 of 25079 (139 views) Copy Shortcut Registered: Aug 1, 2010 Posts: 895 Re: [georger] Bruce's post [In reply to] Quote | Reply ________________________________________ ________________________________________ Quote ________________________________________ 'The telling point which totally escapes you in life, is Tina Mucklow does not post here, never has and never will, but you do! What does that tell you?' ________________________________________ I don't know. Skipp Porteous investigated her thoroughly and spoke to some family members. I have spoken to one of Tina's nieces. The whole thing is messed up, and that's too bad. Really. She's the best witness, IMHO. I get bummed thinking about it. That stuff I said previously was true. She should go public with something, if she can, but the truth is I don't know IF SHE CAN. ________________________________________ 'Don't give up reaching for the stars... just build yourself a bigger ladder.'

Bruce should write ads. He connects with the emotional states of inanimate objects - screen doors, asphalt, and flowers, trucks, and such. God only knows how he does that; his training? By the time you finish the discourse on how tree bark is feeling you hardly have anything left for the original subject, if it eventually peeks through. Bruce did blow Blevin's promo myth that Tina is a zombie and incompetent. I cant decide who is more to blame for this debacle: Bruce or Blevins. They both have featured Tina in a staring role in their repertoir of claims. I guess Blevins was trying to prove that Tina could never identify Kenny - which makes a safe out for Blevins. If Tina denied Kenny was Cooper then all Blevins has to say is Tina is a zombie and since Tina won;t surface, well then Blevins takes the cake. Well we know that is now not true. Blevins was wrong again; badly wrong! And Blevins may have misfired by calling the police, on Bruce and calling "FIRE" where there is no fire. Auburn Washington is not under attack from Bruce Smith. Blevins may be the one who now gets profiled because Police are funny that way - more objective. Blevins keeps bringing in the police and committees with warnings and threats over socalled expectation of disturbances, and insurection ... at some point when the attacking UFO's of disaster dont show up people have to begin wondering what in hell is going on. I would! Is it all just a promotion? Bruce did a bold thing, to be sure, but also kind of sad. Turns out Tina is neither a zombie or a lunatic and useless as Blevins (and Bruce) told us she was. Blevins said: "Trust me on this". Bruce implied Tina had joined the forces of "Zong-Moon" and was headed for Venus next Thursday. Both turn out to be flat wrong! Thank God for that. Congratulations Tina. You won the day again! May you have some peace now ... for years to come. That's my point of view.

Of course you do. Question: Do you think the FBI should pull Ken Christiansen's Army induction files and compare his full set of prints to ones taken from the hijacked plane? That is not my decision to make. I don;t expect you to understand and it is not your business to understand, any more than it is your business (or Jo Weber's) to play body guard for Tina Mucklow ... calling in the police ... making other grandstand plays . . . asserting yourself into things you don't understand and have no competence in, all for your own personal engrandisement. Sluggo called it early. I waited. Now I call it the same.

Calm down. The woodpecker flew off to a different tree. (now he will tell us all about neurosis - experts always do.) Woodpeckers and trees. Last week it was tracks in the snow and cougars or something. Do you support Jerry Thomas' claims on the Cooper case? And if not, why? (That's what is called a REAL question) Go back and read the thread. How many times do people have to tell you ? We arent going to repeat history here for you. You should have figured that out since last year! Your celebrity status (if you have that) means nothing to me, Mr. Magic. Wins no points with me. I think you and Bruce Smith are two of a kind. Both wackos.

Calm down. The woodpecker flew off to a different tree. (now he will tell us all about neurosis - experts always do.)

Whatever is between you and Jerry, it has nothing to do with who Cooper was or what he did. That is a fact. On the other hand: Jerry and his wife have a close personal relationship with Ralph Himmelsbach and his wife, going back years. I know that personally. Moreover, Jerry and especially his wife and her family, have a long standing relationship with members of my family in both Washington and Oregon. I know that personally. Jerry has had and enjoyed ready access to the Seattle office of the FBI going back years, and specific agents in particular. I know that personally. End of that debate. As for the lying, let God sort it out! Jerry and I have strong disagreements about the Cooper case. I know that personally. Jerry does not trust my education and my advice (quite often) - but we do enjoy a common respect in the end, at least I think so.

That's your story! No proof whatever. Just a claim among thousands of claims you have made over the years . . . Calm down Jo. You really do need to find some other hobby. Why do you continually ignore that I HELD the AIRLINE ticket from Portland to Seattle in MY HANDS and the another thing I refer to was a TICKET stub with SeaTac on it and I also held the BANK BAG. Why? For the same reason you demand a check that clears when selling a house. Value for value! You sell a story. I want to see the value = proof. Aristotes tried to sell Crystal Spheres and epicycles. It took 3000 years to get out of that fraudulent deal. Your debt limit has been reached, Jo. No renewal until you produce some value the world can eat. We cant eat dreams and stories and claims ... From a legal point of view we have: The Babylonian laws of Nebu'kanezaar. The Code of Hammurabi. The Magna Carta. English Common Law. The Constitution. Dont turn the clock back ... Tea Party? Your Tea Party story is a bad deal. Your own welfare rides on a better deal! You are reliant on others for your existence. You said you learned this as a child, so where's the beef?

What does a ticket stub from SeaTac have to do with Cooper? Absolutely nothing! The only ticket that Cooper is known to have purchased was at the Portland International Airport and for the flight that he hi-jacked. What SEATAC ticket stub? It doesnt exist. What PDX ticket stub? Ity doesn't exist. Jo also claimed Duane told her from his deathbed to STOP, and put the Cooper thing down. Why do you tell somebody to STOP when they dont have the faintest idea what you are talking about? Obviously Jo and Duane had discussed Cooper before. Jo ignored Duane's request, in any event. So much for Jo's respect of Duane's final wishes!

Another quote from the article, which proves the FBI hasn't QUITE written off Christiansen just yet: The former WW2 paratrooper has officially been promoted since yesterday. No comment. . You might as well say: [is not one of the top suspects] implies [is one of the top suspects]. That is the same kind of flawed logic you have applied in your whole socalled case. 'Geestman lied' therefore 'Kenny was Cooper'. 'Kenny was Cooper' therefore 'Geestman lied' about anything at all ! Of course you wont admit to what you are doing. That you have established. So . . . maybe Kenny was Cooper, in spite of you. I have concluded no one can have an intelligent conversation with you, about anything and the above is a prime example of why. That is a reason which has efficacy! (Look that word up: efficacy).

JULY/AUGUST FOLLOWS (IS AFTER) jANUARY. Not that brilliant, unless you know for a fact that they investigated him. They're still going on the description only, and bypassing all the evidence on KC. Instead of harping on me, why don't you call Agent Gutt and ask him a simple question: 'Under what criteria did the FBI eliminate Christiansen as a suspect in the case?' (As a Brainiac Bonus, you could add, 'Why is the position of the FBI different now on KC than six months ago?') Most likely reply: 'We don't believe he fits the description given by the witnesses...' I've heard this argument before. The only problem is that it ignores all the other evidence. Like you did, for example. I'm going to drop a little secret on you, Georger. Some folks in the media aren't buying the current lead by the FBI. They want to see more. I don't blame them. They've seen this song and dance a few times in reruns. I submit. I will obey! ............. uber alles, Meine . . . Führer ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler - Cached - Similar

Gutt also said in late January (I still have his email): Since that time, the FBI has not investigated Christiansen. In fact, the main criteria for ruling him out has only been that he doesn't quite match the official description. However, I say we give the FBI the benefit of the doubt and see where this latest lead takes them. You never know. The article also states that the item that was submitted for evidence was a wash and they are now trying to obtain other items with this suspect's fingerprints. My question would be: Hasn't their suspect ever been arrested, either before or after the hijacking? Or been in the military? Or applied for a security clearance? If so, they could obtain the prints from those sources. I have a brilliant deduction: JULY/AUGUST FOLLOWS (IS AFTER) jANUARY.

that the tip on the new suspect originated over a year ago, that the new suspect has been dead for 10 years Robert Nicholson ergo: he got away.