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Yeah, just dig down into that garbage can a bit further when you have no argument. And you were on the Citizens' Investigation Team with Kaye? What a friggin' joke. Geestman may have been a lot of things, but he wasn't gay. He was married with children, as the saying goes. And there has not been one single allegation, or any evidence that the reason he bought that trailer and wagon and parked it down in Oakville six weeks before the crime was for a sex rendezvous. Get real. After the date of the hijacking, it was never used again except by Helen Jones and her kids after their house burned. Then Geestman sold it to a guy from Arizona. According to your ridiculous scenario he spent a few thousand on that wagon and trailer for what again? And only one time? Oh, yeah. That makes a lot of sense. You just don't like it that some dumb farm boy from Sumner, Washington may have figured out more about the case than you and your college-educated team. That is a personal issue. Lay off the barely stuff, Blevinator. Or get a sex change? One of your synpases is not talking to the others.

Yeah. That's what a lot of people say. But this is the actual daily report from that day via PDX (Portland International) data: Link to the full report is below, but here are the basics for 8PM on the night of the hijacking; 46 degrees, light showers, wind speed 6mph. Barometric pressure rising. Not exactly hurricane conditions. Rataczak has also said that not only was there a pressure bump, but that they could feel some bouncing as the hijacker went down the stairs. There is also the matter of the indicator light coming on when the stairs opened, and then going off for a moment as the stairs bounced back up, almost closing again, when the hijacker jumped. Then the light came back on as the stairs dropped back down to 'normal' (open maybe two or three feet) and stayed on all the way to Reno. http://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KPDX/1971/11/24/DailyHistory.html? Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Oscillations I believe. And a Bumpa bumpadoo............ a diddle. Where have I read that before? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh? The thread ? Thanks for confirming the thread to the thread, Blevinator.

Everyone knows the day of the crime. I just use that phrase cause it's easier than repeating Wednesday, November 24, 1971. Can't put Kenny at the airport, no. Never said I could. The allegation on the comic was a while back, and based on something told to us by NWA historian Jim Andersen. We found out later it was unlikely KC saw the comic on Shemya. Anyone who has investigated the Cooper case knows it's a fluid thing for sure. If you can verify evidence, you go with it. Find out you are wrong, toss that item from the possible evidence list. This is the same as any investigation. Farflung asks in part: It's difficult to discuss things from the book if you haven't even READ the book. That is explained in the book. I made serious efforts to not lead witnesses, or ask them leading questions. It taints their answers. But since you are asking, Bernie's sister just mentioned it in passing during her interview. (Dawn J) She was one of the early interviews. At that time, I wasn't convinced KC was the hijacker, either. I was just the guy assigned by Porteous to interview people KC knew. She was the second person I interviewed, I think. It was a big surprise to me not when she said he owned a toupee, but when she casually ID'd the tie tac from the picture as Kenny's. THAT was a surprise for sure. Can you puit Kenny and *&^%$W)(*&^%$ IN THE gentleman's trailer at Paradise Park having sex?

Play it again, Sam. Can you do it in a minor key? Got anything with three chords in it? UFO landing or cold fusion ? Discovered the Arc of the Covenant? Any opinions about the Troude of Shurein? "Local RobtMBlevins Learns More chords"

Jo, You have NEVER put the money in the river. In your own previous posts on this thread, you have stated that you did NOT know what was in the paper sack (or sacks) that Duane threw into the river. You are apparently trying to make a federal case out of Duane just throwing trash into the Columbia. This is typical of Jo. (In fact it is typical of any conspiracy theory.) Present X event. Mention that X possibly, just possibly, could have been Y. Thereafter, it is stated as given that it is in fact Y. Just like Jo has started stating unequivocally that Duane was Cooper - her post did not say that she was with Duane when he put some unknown something in the river, but that she was with Cooper when he put the money in the river. You might as well argue with moose. Totally useless unless you want to get trampled! Suggest you find another path down stream. This area is occupied by the moose. Cant you see that? And the same for Blevins and his Cooperphelia. These people are not in this for research but for personal vindication and glory. The FBI is also playing games. They have unparalleled resources to throw at this any time they chose, offices of real experts enough to fill up 300 labs and 500 university lecture halls - and they ask the public for help!? Come on!

I go with Tom Kaye's assessment. The money did not end up on Tina Bar by floating there. . Is that Tom Kaye's assessment? Are you speaking for Tom Kaye now? Please tell us what Tom Kaye's assessment is. Have you replaced Tm Kaye?

Nice article. Thanks for posting.

With that comment I'd say you are a pompous ass.

To point out the obvious, going missing doesn't mean you went to Portland, Oregon on Thanksgiving weekend 1971 to hijack a plane. Tens of thousands of people go missing each year for any number or reasons. There has to be more here to consider this person a viable suspect. Five-star review I posted up at Amazon on Gray's book: Uh thats what I just said. Your review of Gray's book is shit. From a nobody.

Sorry, Iwas talking about the Cooper case. I didnt know this thread had become the Mel thread - will butt out. But before I do let me say this - so Blev can reject it and 377 can make an independent discovery two weeks from tonight. 'Big crimes are solved by little ones'. I heard that once. Its my perception its often true, and when old crimes go stale LE sometimes relies on this principle, based on experience? For example a serial murderer may turn up at a traffic stop months or years later, or at a minor auto accident, or in an arguement at the Quick Stop - in some trivial context. Even in another State. Subject gets processed and, viola. Or subject runs and ..... but the wanted person has to be wanted and be in the system for it to happen, generally speaking. That never happened in the Cooper case. I wonder why? Because he was dead or because they said he was dead and people stopped looking, or something else? Was Cooper ever posted as one of the Ten Most Wanted so that real national attention from a law enforcement perspective was focused on him? I dont know. Maybe someone else does. But, from a public perspective, I now see this case as formally undecidable. The information is simply not available to the public to do anything that matters. It can only be one speculation after another. Why anyone would do that for very long is totally beyond me. Good luck -

Mel Ward went missing. He was already a wanted felon and has never been found. In Mel's case he had a reason to go missing and stay missing. I dont know what stats are for missing in 1971 (however you define missing) but I'll bet it is large. People 'missing' and not being sought for one reason or another after WWII - is large. It was common for men to lose their war brides and babies to continue another life. Mothers didnt even demand child support back in those days but turned to families for support instead. The economic base of families had not been totally destroyed yet in 1971, but was under attack especially in urban and rural poor areas, again. The history of the US is a history of one economic Depression after another with millions of missing people,for one reason or another. I think Cooper was an economic casualty ... and already lost and missing, so whose to miss him? So I really think this 'missing' talk is just that - empty talk which tells us nothing. Im willing to bet the FBi didnt spent one minute looking into missing persons for Cooper, unless it was something specific brought to their attention. In 1971 there werent even records of all the 'missing' just as there is no record of all of those killed in WWI and WWII - just estimates. Cooper may in fact have been one of the few hijackers who was a genuine nonperson to begin with, and that makes him almost impossible to trace unless something very specific comes up. You might trace migrant worker arrest reports for CA 1950-71? The number of pretenders demanding attention only complicates the problem. This case has generated those, like flies!

Exactly. He could have decided to jump off that plane by merely observing it has rear stairs, assumed they be opened in flight, and all he needed was 4 parachutes - 'and I will chose which ever one looks best' ...... all from the comfort of an airport. Kids touch stoves every day all by just watching mom cook. The world is full of people trying things they have no business trying and never tried before, or assume they will survive doing, and most survive. Drivers are a good example! Now if this was a science blog people would be talking about his mathematical skills or "it was a govt conpsiracy and never happened"! And on every single blog there is always somebody who "knows" what happened or "how it had to be" based on .... that person's personal bias. And, if NORAD had not cancelled the order to put chaf in the chutes, we might know more today! Pay no attention to that. And white people cant tell a black person's story. And black people can't tell a white person's story. Or Greek tell a Turk's story and converse. Or a Sioux tell a Navaho's story .... and so it goes. Only someone in Auburn WA can tell the REAL Cooper story! Let's wait and be told!

Robert and others: This is a skydiving website. Threats of lawsuits and calling the cops don't play well at any DZ, really. Try settling personal beefs without involving the courts or the police. Whatever Bruce did or said falls short of a crime in my book. Also, the courts and cops are so busy with REAL crime, serious stuff, that adding minor matters to their workload is just stupid. If Tina felt threatened let HER call the cops. If she wants a restraining order let HER apply for one, they are easy to obtain. Obnoxiious behavior and breaches of journalitsic etiquette or protocol are not crimes. Even if you could stretch a statute to cover what Bruce did it isnt worth burdening the cops or the courts with. Have some sense of proportion. There are big deals and there are little deals. Class dismissed. 377 Strikes me as all personal jealousy on Blevin's part. His Majesty is upset because Bruce got the drop on him. Blevins would have loved to present Tina's photos! Instead it was ..... Galen Cook! Blevins has made no bones about it since arriving here. He hates Galen Cook's guts. Why? Probably jealousy again. Blevins keeps railing about Bruce and the photos of Tina. Bruce didnt take those photos. Galen Cook did, obviously with Tina's awareness. Bruce then published the photos with Galen Cook's permission. So what's the bug up Blevin's patoot about ? What has any of this got to do with Robt M Blevins? Nothing! I think Blevins needs to get a life and find his own skillet to cook in ?

I still stubbornly cling to my theory that DBC KNEW FOR SURE that a 727 could be jumped. Otherwise he was dumber than a rock. Without that certainty he had a very good chance of trapped aboard. Sure, there would be a big hostage drama when the plane landed with him aboard, but it would end with him jailed or killed. I have a hunch that knowledge of the jumpability of the 727 actually lead to the intial thinking about how to do the crime. Sure, it's just a hunch, but it's my hunch and I like it. 377 I see a pattern here.

Pictures of you were passed out to off-duty cops and festival security for Auburn's Good Old Days. I sent them to your article about the Dormuth's. They didn't like it, either. Nothing like trying a little internet extortion to get what you want. Are you kidding me? Make yourself a promo sheet on professional conduct for interviews and journalistic behavior and start following it. Side Note: You probably shouldn't post up an article saying you interviewed Tina Mucklow when she basically blew you off. (*laughs*) The pictures of Mucklow today are news. But the source stinks when you say first you are trying to 'protect her'. I still think you missed your calling. Insert Theme Song Here. When your name came up in discussions after Geoff Gray's reading, it was a lot like that scene from Young Frankenstein. Instead of 'Blucher,' the word was 'Smith,' and the horses whinnied. Sheriff Blevins at it again. You sure are one egotistical "graffiti artist"! Here again Blevins. The similarity between you and Jo Weber is amazing. I see a pattern. You just can't help yourself. And you wonder why people post the things they do about you? Yours above is a pretty good illustration of why -

His "unfamiliarity" with the aftstairs could have been a red herring, so as not to bring about suspicion that Cooper was connected to the airlines in some way.. Bottom line..he got them to work. The hijack itself could have been a red herring - for failing to read the Transcript!

As far as loners go I know almost no one that wouldn't be missed. . And unless it was in your area of investigation (which is small) how would you know it, unless it was high profile or in the system and found? Dont judge 1971 by today's standards and resources. None of that existed in 1971. You can dismiss any thought of finding a missing person back then unless he fell into your lap and even then you had to be looking in the right place and right time, just in your own area of jurisdiction. That is one of the reasons they put effort into finding Cooper at the time. They knew if he got away it might be for a very long time, or forever. 1971 was not today.

I finally met Geoff Gray tonight. Two of the original FBI agents who were on the job in Seattle at the time of the hijacking showed up with their families. And a guy from this thread who supports Sheridan Petersen as the hijacker. I stayed in the background and didn't ask any questions until after the reading, since I thought it would be impolite. It WAS Geoff Gray's reading after all, not mine. My only question was a reference from page 53 where Tina lights cigarettes for both she and the hijacker, and he hands her a blue matchbook with the words 'Sky Chef' on them to actually light the smokes. I asked if these matchbooks were available on the flight for passengers. (Sky Chef is a service that provides meals to airliners.) Gray said he researched this and found that Flight 305 did NOT serve any meals that day, but had snacks and drinks available that did not come from Sky Chef. He could not find out where the hijacker got the matches, even after asking Sky Chef. (They are still in business) After the reading, he invited me and a few others off to the local pub for a couple of drinks and discussions on Cooper. One of the retired FBI agents asked me a few questions about the Christiansen witnesses. I responded the best I could, but I did make one point with him that struck a good chord: These witnesses are still alive. They can be interviewed by the Bureau. He advised me not to send the PDF via email next time, saying you never know who will actually get it and what they will do with it. He said I should just send the paperback book and a cover letter containing the true names and addresses of these witnesses. Done. If you read the transcript you know no meals were served - meals were requested by the crew at SEA and brought on board prior to taking off from SEA. Did Cooper eat his meal before parachuting? One strange remark H is credited with saying is that 'the hijacker might be a food service worker'. It seems a strange remark, until you know about the Sky Chef matches Cooper produced. What happened to the matches? Did Geof mention the galley?

No body was found. The chances of him going ito the Columbia are small. The chances his body could not be found, in some remote area ... I dont know? I suppose you could assign some number to that. But almost from the minute the money was found at Tina Bar, the propganda flowed: see! he died. went down the Columbia .... except the same voices were claiming the money arrived via the Wshougal. So, he died in the Washougal, fell into the Columbia and was washed out to sea, and the money then comes out of the Washougal after the drought of 1978 to be found on Tina Bar in 1980. Maybe. Attaching 'Cooper died' to the money is no more cogent than saying: He died because the placard was found ? What the Voices have done is paint every possible scenario for him dying, and not one scenario for him surviving. This based on the deeper assumption the odds were not 50-50 to begin with, but something like 95-05. Or 99-01. Or 99.999999- .000001 Did I write the correct number of zeros? I'll have to put my glasses on, or, am I allowed to? Who do I work for and what are my instructions? I think that is what it comes down to. It may even go deeper, historically. Who said Cooper died - whose estimate based on what ...? Himmelsbach mainly. Not necessarily Seattle. I had hoped Geof Gray would elaborate on this. He didn't.

[ Snow started this whole Dan Cooper comic thing Or, was it Myers and Dvorak, with Snow reading? Remember them?

And at least one other curious coincidence. No conjecture required. Just prior to vanishing Mel the forger, dumped about $200k in bogus bills and plates into some river, stuffed in a barell, and this was recovered. Maybe he moved on to a new scheme - parachute hijacker - easy target - flight 305 - to make up the $200k loss. Mel the family man. Conflicted emotionally? Had gambling debts or owed some front man for the $200k he failed to deliver? Missing ... ? Himmelsbach has always contended it was some hardened criminal who 'did the job'. Who knows ...

You are becoming redundant, you know. I didnt personally attack you like you are doing here! I was making a point. Your problem, Robert M Blevins, is you dont speak the English language, you have no creativity or imagination, you dont get anything anyone says no matter what people say. You seem to be dumber than a stump and have tunnel vision, and are paranoid. Like a deaf guy that gets made when someone merely says "Hi- how are you today?" Maybe you need to consult a neurologist? Im serious. Its not my problem in any event so calm down and re-read what I posted. Im not going to spell this out fore you. If you dont understand what i was saying then you dont understand what I said. Simple as that. It not my problem. Drive your junker to the side of the road and let others through! ? "Minneapolis is nice country" could mean several things, from being a foreigner conveying a thought in broken English, to . . . a dialectic way of saying things (US based). As for your ability to see through walls and leap high buildings ........... see your neurologist. Or write an auto-biography? Maybe the CIA can use you ?

When Mucklow tells the hijacker she lives in stew zoo in Minneapolis, the hijacker says 'Minneapolis is very nice country.' NOT Minnesota. Minneapolis, a specific city in the state. It's almost as if he's been there. When someone tells you they live in Seattle, for example, and you have not been to Seattle, a more typical response might be, 'Washington state is beautiful country,' unless you have actually been to that city. Do you think this hints that the skyjacker was from the Minneapolis area or lived at one time in Minnesota? If you have your own question, I will ask it as long as it not insulting and makes sense. One thing I noticed in Gray's version of the actual time on the plane was Cooper's real concern about anyone on the crew seeing him other than the stews. I was wondering about that quite a bit. Meanwhile, Cooper is letting the passengers go back and forth past him all during the flight to get bags, go to the bathroom, etc. without any apparent fear of them. It's only the crew he seems to fear, even though the flight has several people on board who could take him down if they wished (and although the passengers haven't been told about the hijacking, Cooper can not know for sure they have not, or at least if some of them might know what's going on) I hate to point out the obvious, but it's almost as if his only fear was being recognized by an NWA employee. I know it's a stretch, but it sort of makes sense, according to his behavior. He even lets a passenger RETURN to the plane to get his bag after they land at SeaTac. No fear there, even though this passenger could have been an FBI agent ready to put a bullet in his head. But then, the passenger isn't wearing an NWA uniform, is he? It's weird, that's all. How many fingers does he have on his left hand? Do you see that? Raleighs is good cigarette. Cow is good pet. Mutton is good meat. Me is good boy. Rebecca is good baby. Isaac is good boy papa mata peez?

Bruce Im going to post again about this. I will explain more if you like. I am concerned this happened and I dont know how this happened. All I do know is Geof surfaced more than a year ago (called Tom or something) talking about "two types of silver" attributed to me, and I never could figure out how he got that, or what I said to convey that impression. When it surfaced I issued an immediate advisory to Geof and Tom, so I have no idea how this got into publication all these months later. I thought it was a fluke and dead issue. If you or anyone has any questions about this I will try and answer. Let me just leave it at that and see if this surfaces again. But, the only form of silver I know about, found in the three bills Tom tested, is silver nitrate AgNO3, which was a byproduct of the finger printing the FBI did on those bills. Thanks, G. This is amazing. How can Geoff get it so wrong? Sad. I think Geof just missunderstood what I was saying - or what was being said. He's busy. These things get pretty complicated and in the time-compressed situations where he talked, I think things just got missunderstood. I dont think it was intentional, in fact if anything I think Geof was trying to be accurate. But he accurately got it wrong thinking he had it right.

But I've never heard anything about hair actually being found on it....? I have heard rumors - there are always rumors - but Im just not in a position to actually know about such things. I wish I was. I have email from a number of people including Geof Gray I havent opened today - Im almost affraid to open it - sure Im going to be chewed out for something. So... Im going to get myself going, get a shower, go out to eat, and waste the rest of my 'day off?' then open email sometime tonight. Sounds like a plan!