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And back to talking of actual evidence, anyone got any comments on the supposed hair fibres? Yes. I wish I knew something about it - from an official source. That would be nice for a change! Thanks, G.

Bruce Im going to post again about this. I will explain more if you like. I am concerned this happened and I dont know how this happened. All I do know is Geof surfaced more than a year ago (called Tom or something) talking about "two types of silver" attributed to me, and I never could figure out how he got that, or what I said to convey that impression. When it surfaced I issued an immediate advisory to Geof and Tom, so I have no idea how this got into publication all these months later. I thought it was a fluke and dead issue. If you or anyone has any questions about this I will try and answer. Let me just leave it at that and see if this surfaces again. But, the only form of silver I know about, found in the three bills Tom tested, is silver nitrate AgNO3, which was a byproduct of the finger printing the FBI did on those bills.

Have you tried a library?

That's it ! Cooper was from Easter Island. Came in on a NWA flight, and escaped on an iceberg. (or another NWA flight!). Nobody thought of Rapa Nui.

Sure. Currency paper is composed of about 25 percent linen and 75 percent cotton. I never told Geof there were two types of silver in the money. What I told him was the FBI had finger printed the money using a silver nitrate process, and traces of that were very evident. I told him this was distinct from any particulate silver on the money, which could be linked to a specific geological location (Tina Bar vs Washougal, etc). I told him Tom had zapped an area on one of the bills which vaporised some of the chemical Ag and produced some very distinct silver spheres - so now "there are two types of silver on the money", chemical and particulate. It was a joke. Again, to my knowledge Tom never found any particulate silver on the bills, which could tie the money to some silver bearing geology. In the backs of our minds was the fact the Washougal had once been a silver mining region. If the money had spent time in that area we wondered if it might have picked up a type of silver indiginous to that area. The only thing I told Geof regarding an independent discovery were several conjectures I made which Geof very clearly did not understand, so its not worth going into. This had nothing to do with silver, in any event. Geof surfaced with this over a year ago and I issued a correction to him and everyone. I think I talked to Tom about it so Tom would be aware. I am surprised Geof went ahead and published this, in spite of people correcting him. What he is saying is simply erroneous.

Sorry to engage you in this type of banter, but honestly...LIFE IS TOO F"N SHORT and IT CHANGES ON A DIME! OK, Ms. Orange, sorry for the gender mistake and Vicki why don't you calm the heck down? Just because I do not find Farflung funny does not mean you and Ms.Orange have to come running to defend his honor like 2 young school girls who just reached puberty. You're right life's too short so practice what you preach honeybunny.I apologize if I offended anyone though. I simply do not find farflungs posts funny.I do not think I deserved to be racked in the balls by vicki just because of my views though. No problemo - this is like a country club. Highschool. The Cooper store. Lots of people playing with lots of different toys, but still no Cooper in sight. Just dont give them any money. They will blow it at the bar or in the crap game behind the water cooler. God loves you if no one else does! Have a nice day.

Excuse me, I never said ONE word about Geoffry's book that would give me reason to sue. I was referring to "others" and NOT myself. Geoffrey had a few superlatives and inaccurate quotes from me, but NOTHING worth worrying about. He got the idea across. He did not record me - therefore he had to depend on his memory. I think none of you understand the Last Chapter. It is a play on the whole Cooper Story. He was not singling me out, but trying to point out just where the Search for Cooper goes...it is an endless, consuming circle. Some of you need to get a "sense of humor"...Geoffrey was successful in applying humor in this book - but, perhaps only to the extent those of us involved will get it. One does not read a book and take every word as gospel. There are literary liberties that must be taken and are taken in doing a book (even in history books). EXCUSE ME! Oh we see the humor. The joke is on us - anyone that helped or offered to help the coward (some might call a thief). And we understand your like of Mr. Geof. Birds of a feather and all that. Gray jokes about "obsession", while living his own! The only question is which Cooper vulture will feed next, at the public's expense. But I do understand your communion with Gray, obsession and all. What better thing to know a thing than the thing, itself ? And it goes far deeper. Gray's book is about - Obsession, he thinks and says. What his book is really about is - Honesty! Honesty really does matter whether you or Gray or anyone else wants to admit it or not. And it is honesty at the very core of the whole Cooper fiasco that has been at stake. Even here at Dropzone. And anything else is pure puffery and obsessive denial and avoidance and dodging. Happy feeding frenzy Jo ....... and Geof! You will both regret it in the morning and be here whining and complaining, asking forgiveness in order to get any semblence of your cases back. Your cases and your integrity are long gone. Now think up some smartass reply, as if it will change anything! The only Obsessions that mattered are yours and Geof's. It's amazing it takes years and a whole book to bring that simple fact to light. We all told you that, on day no.1 years ago. Your cases and your integrity are long gone. Your replacements have already arrived!

Here-here! He said the book was about Obsession. I think it was Jerry Thomas who convinced him the name Dan Cooper meant 'something'.

Correction: an indeterminate picture that you claim was Tina, with absolutely no basis whatsoever. This is why people lose patience with you. Tina gave Duane a baby picture of herself on 305 during the hijacking. And I am a "great scientist" and Mother Goose! Hell get Gray to publish that crappola too!! Maybe he already has. Jo would probably sue him if he did. That's copywrited information, isn't it?

Not crazy. Not delusional. Simply obsessed. And yes Jo, you certainly do have a right to be emotional in dealing with your late husband as a major crime suspect. As a major crime suspect? What suspect? Whose suspect? The only person who ever brought him to anyone's attention was - Jo. Nobody walked into Jo's life saying Duane Weber was DB Cooper! You have this ass-backwards?

And I'll have two of whatever you're taking. .. Gag me with a silver poon!

If there is anything Blevins needs to address, its Farflung's post earlier today. Farflung struck straight through to the core of one of Blevin's main witnesses, and the reliability of her testimony. I thought Farflung's post was very insightful, as usual.

I think it just pisses you off that some dumb farm kid from Sumner, Washington got farther along on the Cooper case than YOU did with your access to all the files. But there is a difference between the two of us. I know that you won't find the truth about Cooper under a microscope. There was never any way that someone could pull off a caper like Cooper did and that someone else, somewhere, was either involved or knew about it, or had clues to it that they probably didn't even realize were important. You and Tom Kaye did all that work and came up with basically nothing, at least according to Geoff Gray. Well, now you know what silver looks like under a microscope and you narrowed down some pollen to a thousand different species or something. Hey, good work boys. Okay, not really. Maybe you should have been out talking to actual people instead. That is what I did, and it's not my fault that some of these people chose to say the things they did, or identify the things they did, tried to lie and got caught, or revealed other things that inexorably kept leading to Kenny. I just published the results. And not one time have you ever tried to legitimately dispute those results with reasonable arguments. You just keep dropping insults on me. The guy you should be harping on is Geoff Gray, not me. It was HE who first proposed that Ken could be the hijacker. It was HE who revealed the true nature (and rather poor results) of your work with Kaye. So why don't you drop by his website and give him the same stuff you like to give me: http://huntfordbcooper.com/ Not one bit of the evidence presented on Christiansen is good enough for you. You don't even consider him a suspect in the case. My advice is you get over the bitterness regarding your failures in the Cooper case and move on. Signed, Dumb Farm Kid Who Might Be Smarter Than You Think well that's a mouth full. "Inexorably" ? Havent heard that word (a word highschool sophomores use to death having just discovred it), since Zola Crammie's rhetoric class in 1960. You gave me a reason to go take a pee and make coffee. Thanks! Keep up the good work. We are counting on you!

Diatoms for one thing! You asked!

If the Ted Braden pictures are authentic he isn't a good match for the witness descriptions. 377 Which witness descriptions? Gregory's?

You are trashing the whole show because you are angry they did a segment on Christiansen. It's obvious. Why would I be angry that some bunch of fools do a program on Kenny C ? What has that got to do with me? . If anything Im glad you did the program! I like watching Blevins K'Neival jump the river of fire in his row boat and posting his ass off on the internet as if he has discovered anti- gravity and The Arc of the Covenant, then saying: 'well, maybe it isn't' ? . It's obvious? You know it when you see it? Whatever "it" is. And I seriously doubt whatever "it" is, "it" matters! Can you follow that? Read it again Sam. I am not a vampire. Go look for vampires somewhere else, Point your sticks and your scriptures somewhere else, Nimrod.

You and I live in totally different worlds. In my world until a thing is tested (especially law) it is not a living reality, merely an opinion. It may even be a good opinion based on case law and precidents, but again until it is tested and decided in a specific case ... well its merely opinion. Now. If a case was brought to Court and quickly thrown out based on what you say above, THEN, it has some force in present day law. I have watched too many former socalled precidents being turned over since 1980 to be certain of anything in today's legal system. Our Courts have changed. I think that is a fact. Telling Geestman on a tv program he is immune from prosecution for Norjak, is a lot like telling him he will never have cancer from ....... what? Moreover it was clear the socalled Prosecutor was giving the "opinion" as a device to free Geestman up to talk? But, the milk bones did not get the dog to bark, did they! I wonder why!? Duhhh. All this socalled Prosecutor proved was that he is an idiot on an idiotic tv program meant for idiots with too much time on their germ free hands. Yuppie pablum! And what if Geestman had nothing to do with Norjak? Then what? This program would never have happened (to Geestman) if not for Mr. Blevins.

Really? No suspected accomplices were indicted, only the guy on the plane. The SOL has expired. What's so "shockingly reckless" about opining that a DBC accomplice can not be prosecuted today? Giving advice to non clients is risky, but the advice given was correct as far as legal analysis goes. Still, when the Feds want to put you away they can be VERY resourceful. Make up your mind. He is, or he aint! 20 years for indecision! le PROSECUTOR ala Beef Days dECODED is NOT speaking an an officer of any Court or he sure as hell better not be! It matters not if he is right or wrong. It matters only that his words carry No Legal Authority. His words are no more than an opinion. I enjoyed those actors on Decoded, pretending.

Blevins and the Magii of Decoded aside, I agree with you. Something strange about an "on air public" dismissal of all charges for a person Blevins says is a liar and a felon. Who is thatguy to be issuing pardons and legal advice, for the Feds ? Wierdo is as wierd does. I also noticed they called him the "PROSECUTOR". As distinct from PERSECUTOR ? Has PROSECUTOR become a noun of great legal and social value today vs in former times vs school teacher, and when did that happen? Who is God now? There is something phony about the whole thing, or we definately live in a new paradise. The Paradise of Blevins and Decoded and Court decisions on live reality abdunction tv! ? Do the Laws of Physics still apply in this new universe? Who decides? The housecleaner and the PROSECUTIR? PLEASE LET US KNOW! If Decoded is the New Law of the nation why did they take it off and what do we do until it returns? I have a parking ticket to deal with! I need to talk to the PROSECUTOR! Funny how 377 hasnt issued an opinion on this ? Or the Gregory sketch either ? Who in hell is running Paradise these days - anyone know?

I know an old Boeing engineer who says he worked on the Cooper vane (he's part of a group of such people) - of course he says he knows where Earhardt is too??? He says it was a Boeing thing, following the Cooper hijack. He says it was Boeing's idea, their mandate, and the FAA liked the idea so they mandated it too. (Then King Leopold of Moravia mandated it too! Grace Kelly was busy.) His story is backed up by the others in the Boeing group - who also know where Earhardt is.

An agressive US Attorney could get a ham sandwich, indicted, but getting a conviction is another matter. An accomplice has an excellent chance of beating the case on a motion to dismiss based on an expired SOL. DBC is not as lucky, he is defintely proescutable today. There is Z E R O hard evidence that DBC had an accomplice waiting for him on the ground or working with him in any capacity. If there was such evidence the Asst. US Attorney who filed on Cooper as a John Doe would have also included the accomplice(s). You can't get an indictment based on pure speculation. There has to be evidence that a crime was committed by the accused suspect, even if the identity is not yet known. How could you make a case against even a John Doe accomplice? It would be 100% speculation. US Attorneys aren't gods (unless they jump) and State prosecutors and county DAs are not "schmucks" as you call them. Both offices have a wide range of talent. Quite a few federal prosecutors used to be DAs. The fed job is more attractive due to pay, stability and benefits, so you rarely see job hops in the other direction. Also, the federal system is just cleaner, no stale vomit in the hallways and holding cells, no graffitii carved in to the seat backs. The courtrooms are more expensively and gracefully appointed, no dirty floors, squalid restrooms or broken ventian blinds. But don't judge the book by its cover. Legal talent resides in both the mansions and the dirty alleys of the court systems. I've seen geniuses and fools in both venues. 377 Some impassioned nutter has hit the wrong button since the last several posts (Jo or JT) and shifted the whole page now out of wack ... out of its normal frame. My guess is Jo. Quade, pse change the page back to its normal format ???????????? Its only on this page. All previous pages are normal.

I am completely flabbergasted. This incident was the perfect storm of ambiguity. Every media article or video on the subject seems to contradict the basic facts in the transcripts and available crew interviews. Statements about Cooper from the FBI about what they suspect his experience was don't even match up to the persons that they chose to investigate. Whatever information is being held back, can't be of much value. It seems madness to try and make any sense of any of this. . You can now add the Gregory sketch to the above. Something does not add up. The SR-71 information is new? I dont know why people are making such a buzz about that - there have been references to high altitude IR scans by some aircraft or satellite for years. It turned up nothing, but it shows the seriousness with which some people were trying to turn up evidence and find Cooper, and it may help define the ambiguities people were dealing with, for better or for worse, in the situation at the time. On the other questions maybe others will answer. I understand your mixed feelings about all of this. Good luck finding answers.

Georger also says: According to your philosophy, no one should ever write a book to try and document or explore a historical event. Because nothing would meet your definition of complete accuracy. You have misinterpreted what I said and meant.

The sad part is: Gray knows no more than he has been given in many cases and the accuracy of that will be in question. That's the risk people take in writing books of this nature. Still they go ahead. Just the kind of incomplete vagueness Blevins likes. You can do anything with that. Your next limitations is your intelligence!

I agree that it seems to make sense that he would have known the area. Add that with his choice of chutes and a picture is emerging. Seems logical, but what if those assumptions are wrong? What if the part about recognizing Tacoma from the air isn't as clear or as significant as it seems? If Cooper overheard a passenger mention it or guessed from seeing it on a map? The FBI was investigating people based on what might seem to make obvious sense, maybe they were looking for the wrong person due to making the wrong assumptions. Those being that he was a jumper at some point, probably ex-military, some kind of aviation experience, and that he knew the area. He could have been all those things and still off the radar somehow, but there's no actual proof of any of these things, they are just guesses, so they could all be wrong. All he factually needed to know about the plane, somebody could have told him. Jump from a 727, make sure it is flying low and slow, and watch out for air marshals. I do think if Cooper was from or knew the area well, even with fog he'd have an idea where he was jumping, at least from lights from the interstate and the glow from Vancouver and Portland. If Cooper was a pilot then he'd probably have a very good idea where he was. That efficiency and confidence makes it seem like he'd done this kind of thing before, not a hijacking, but some kind of planned crime. Clearly he knew what he was doing up to a certain point, but that may not mean he was a skydiver or spent much time in the air. He sure didn't want to reveal much. Maybe he was also masking a regional accent by saying little. There were no prompts for his use of Tacoma. That was spontaneous on his part. Wondering why the chutes were taking so long. Some connection to Tacoma in his mind. Tacoma only 20 miles away - where are the chutes!? (not the kind of remark Kenny would have made, either). Underneath the calm exterior is an anxious person pissed at times. Then he misses the next tell - fuel snafu. Normal refueling/cleanup turn around time about 15-20 mins max, normally. He sites and say nothing at first. Someone experienced with the NWA turn-around time at SEA would have caught that quickly. Vapor lock? There are other tells at work ...