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Why would they...anyone that has any experience at all with silk & nylon parachutes can tell in a nanosecond which is which. Why unnecessarily spend tax dollar resources on a 40 year old case, to answer a quest already answered? Come on Mr.B, don't lose creditability by obsessing on things not being 'said' they way YOU want them to be...they say it silk then it's silk. Maybe they DID 'test it'...with a match, ya KNOW what color smoke nylon makes! Bottom line on Blev is they arent going to give him the satisfaction of another media-moment, not on this! Blevins wants proof light bulbs are light bulbs. Astounding! How low will he go??? Stuff fit for a British tabloid ... mum's panties and all. Silk vs nylon fibres - totally different. One is a drawn tube artificial, the other an actual fibre protein! They look nothing alike. They loft differently, Specific gravity totally different. etc etc. Only a moron could miss the difference, with a simple loupe. Blevins lost his credibility years ago just by stunts like this.

The issue is biological control and natural selection. In some species the females bite the heads off males at the moment of the sex act. This assures an open space and lack of competition for offpsring and other competing males. In other species, the females take the heads of their partners, later. Then social service departments were invented to reach out where females have no direct access to the males. A-sexual reproduction is the only solution with both sexes heavily taxed into extinction. This will leave only beaurocrats and lots of homeless children.

Here's a Great Truth: Except for your strict adherence to the eyewitness descriptions, (a shaky bet) no one on this thread has really been able to disprove any of the evidence offered in the revised edition of Blast. I hear a lot of squawking, but nothing that actually eliminates Kenny Christiansen. Not a thing. And we may actually be ONTO something regarding the parachute. I've been over this ground multiple times. Some of you even agreed that the silk parachute scenario made as much sense as the Janet Fable. I'll bet it's nylon. And that shoots Cossey's claim right into the ground. . They say its silk. You say nylon. They have the chute and have had Cossey and 'other experts' examine the chute, and you have never been within miles of the chute. Looks too pristine in some photos, you said. Another set of eyeballs here disputed your claim. You demand (your) experts examine the chute. You keep leaving out that the FBI already got not only Cossey but "other experts", to examine the chute. Every published account I have read by the FBI includes "other experts" looked at the chute and were consulted.... you conveniently omit this! Are you saying the FBI is lying or was misreported and what's your basis for that? You also claim: "no one on this thread has really been able to disprove any of the evidence offered in the revised edition of Blast." Since you refused to even discuss your socalled 25- reasons, how can you say the above? Blevins you are playing a shell game. Why should the FBI or anyone else consider you a special expert or source, on anything? Me thinks thou doth protest too much.

Well, if the chute found in Amboy were possibly linked to the hijacking, sure...it would have to be the one actually used in the jump. The other wouldn't open and the other two were left on board. So, yes. Yes. You said it, not me. No "well" "sure" about it. I didnt say it. I was quoting your original statement. So well sure to .... your self. I got something straight! Maybe.

You have personal issues with me, so I hesitate to respond to your frankly insulting comments. I thought my message to Agent Gutt was well thought out and asked legitimate questions regarding the Amboy parachute. These questions have NOT been answered to my satisfaction. Since you rarely address the actual issue when I bring one up, I'll repeat it for you. Maybe this time you'll 'get it' and not force me to repeat everything: Cossey has gone on the record several times saying that the reason he knows the Amboy chute is not Cooper's chute...(and YES, if it was Cooper's, I believe it's the one he actually jumped with) ...is because the Amboy chute is MADE OF SILK AND THE ONE HE PROVIDED WAS NYLON. That's his basic reason. Anyone ever ask the FBI to confirm the chute is silk and not nylon? No. But it's the most obvious question, because Cossey's assessment is based upon this claim. I dispute his assessment, at least without further proof and a more detailed analysis of the parachute itself. Hope you don't mind, and even if you do... Nobody is 'creeping up' on anything, or attempting to be a 'cult figure'. It was a simple enough question and a simple enough request. It wasn't 'threatening'. Threatening the Bureau? I think not. The reason they answer my messages is because I ask pointed questions, important questions, and I do it with courtesy. I have the greatest respect for the hard-working folks down at the Federal buidling in Seattle. Stop engaging with me personally and stick to the issues or don't bother commenting. You don't know me. You just think you do. Has it occurred to anyone here that if this unsupported claim by Cossey is left unchallenged, that the FBI can continue to hold their position that Cooper probably died in the jump? If they had to admit that the chute COULD have been Cooper's, this opens up an entire can of worms. What worms? Well, like how the money ended up on Tena Bar, for instance. Looking at the maps, you see the place they found the chute is a long way from the money, and the chute location is NOT on a river. This might give credence to the theory the money was planted later as a red herring by the hijacker himself. Or, the more obvious conclusion: That it takes a LIVE HUMAN to bury a parachute and that Cooper made it safely to the ground. Skipp Porteous and I have speculated a simple scenario on the hijacking, and if the Amboy chute was Cooper's, this only supports our contentions. We think Bernie and Kenny drove to Portland, where Kenny was dropped off at the airport. Then we believe Bernie drove back to Paradise Point State Park and waited for him. We believe the FBI was not far off in the areas they initially searched for Cooper, but by the time they actually mounted that search, Cooper was long gone. We think Cooper/Kenny landed safely, buried the chute, and used the (missing) container to pack out the money perhaps, and then met Bernie at the park. Strangely enough...Tena Bar is just 'up the street' from Paradise Point. And all the rest. The witnesses, the testimony, the pictures, the spending, the estate, and the entire collection of evidence we have on this guy. I'm not going to apologize for pursuing the KC angle, because 98% of what we found points to Kenny as a viable suspect. Can I prove beyond a doubt he was the guy? Absolutely not. Do I believe he was Cooper? Yes. Georger asks in part: This is actually a smart question on your part. If the FBI told me this, I would ask for verifiable proof that shows KC absolutely could NOT have been the hijacker. Should they provide that, I would pull the book from publication and write off KC as a suspect. However, this is moot at present, since they haven't provided any such proof. Agent Gutt has told me Kenny is still a suspect supported by some in the Seattle office, although others there think there may be better suspects. Side Note: I understand probably few of you saw the recent DB Cooper episode on the show Adrenaline Hunter. It tries, but AH is a reletively low-budget show and they got some of the basic facts wrong. But one thing I noticed on the show was Himmelsbach's interview. Ever since he was faced with the reports from Portland International Airport on the REAL weather the night of the hijacking, he modified his earlier statements about there being a big storm that night. In reality, the heavy rain and increased winds did not start until the day after the hiajacking. I guess this long diatribe is one way of saying: "...(and YES, if it was Cooper's, I believe it's the one he actually jumped with)". You dont believe it is silk but as to size why not just measure it - 28 feet Cossey said. One arc of the circle is shown.

That's pretty funny Farflung. If you fish from a public pier in California, a license is not required. Thank goodness. I don't understand how Jefferson and the boys remembered the right to bear arms but completely forgot about the right to fish. The rich prefer hunting to fishing, perhaps that explains it. You can't have a bunch of horses, hounds, horns and ridiculous costumes around fishing. The Balloon Boy parents came close to losing custody as unfit parents. I think the court made the right call though. 377 As soon as I saw some news copter video I knew there was no kid in that balloon. I bet the pilots knew it too but why kill a good story? It should have been obvious to the pilots and everyone else that there was no concentrated weight in that balloon based on the way it was oscillating. I suppose Falcon would have weighed at least 30 to 40 pounds. Earlier someone posted that the gas with the most power was helium. Actually, I believe it is hydrogen. However, hydrogen is very flammable, remember the Hindenberg, while helium is not. The Hindenberg was using hydrogen because Germany didn't have a source of helium. Robert Nicholson Hydrogen is about 8% more efficient at lifting in air, vs helium. However, there always was a large difference in price with hydrogen being the cheaper by far due to the relative ease of manufacture vs. helium.

Robert, The Amboy chute was manufactured in 1946. Look at the data panel (a portion of the canopy upon which mfr data is printed) in the FBI photo. The mfr date is inked clear as day on the canopy: 1946. It could not have been used in 1945. Do you agree? 377 Easy out for Blevins. Although stamped 1946 the chute was actually mfg'd in 1945. Circumstantial evidence from the maldum fornax proves it. That is suffient for more press releases on Newsvine. Blevins will get around to us when he feels we deserve his attention -

You are lucky that I am not the moderator. Over at my Newsvine column, I sometimes post the first comment on any article I write, especially if it's a controversial subject. It says THIS: 'Hatred, racism, and NAME-CALLING are not allowed...' (All caps by me, for emphasis) Farflung says in part: You are the Second Coming of Kurt Vonnegut. Stop wasting your talent and cobble together a frickin' manuscript. Suggestion: Chapters one after another on your views about anything in American life, from Cooper to whatever. I promise any editing will be done with a light hand, and we will sign you to a generous percentage of the gross sales. America needs the Farflung Wake-Up Call. If I could figure out whether you're the financial advisor or the guy in the LA rock band, I would have sent you a proposal privately already. You know where to find me. Message I sent to the Seattle FBI office earlier today: 'At the end of next week, I am doing an interview with a writer for the London Times and the Guardian. The subject is the book Into The Blast - The True Story of D.B. Cooper. As you know, we presented a fair amount of evidence (mostly circumstantial) that Kenny Christiansen of Northwest Airlines may have been the hijacker. Cooper parachute packer Earl Cossey of Woodinville has gone on the record several times saying that the parachute found in Amboy, WA in 2008 could not have been used by the hijacker because it's made of silk and the one he provided was made of nylon. As you know, he was allowed to examine it. In the press, the current position of the Bureau on the chute is that it could be one used by a downed pilot in 1945 in the same area. The Bureau has referred to an old article in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer about it. However, I have two questions about the chute. Has the material been tested to identify it as either silk or nylon? If it IS silk, which is a biodegradable substance, how come it exhibits little damage or rotting after supposedly being buried by this 1945 pilot for sixty-three years? It seems inconceivable. The pictures of this chute at the FBI website indicate it is still in good condition, as if it were made of nylon, which takes hundreds of years to degrade. This alone would indicate Cossey is wrong about it. In addition, why would the military pilot bury it? According to the P.I. story, the pilot used it to keep warm that night after he reached the ground and then walked out to rescue in the morning. Why would he bother to bury it in a survival situation, and if he did, where is the container and harness? They were never found, even after additional digging in the area by the Bureau. The Seattle office has already admitted in news articles that the Amboy parachute was similar to the type normally packed into an NB-6 ('Navy Backpack 6') container, which coincidentally is also the container used by Cooper in the jump. The other missing chute was the non-working trainer reserve. The other two, the sport chutes, were left on board the aircraft by the hijacker. I would like to see this chute myself, take pictures of it, and obtain a sample for analysis if possible...' Sincerely yours, Robert M. Blevins Adventure Books of Seattle (No apologies for this. I just seek the truth, same as you, whether we're right or wrong. Someone has to ask these questions, right?) NOTE: If the Bureau allows me to examine the Amboy chute, I will need two para-experts in the Seattle area to accompany me. I'm going to call Earl Cossey this week as well, and discuss this with him. I've never actually spoken to Cossey, but I think it's time. It takes guts to basically threaten the FBI with journalistic blackmail - is that what you are doing? And what precisely do you have or could say that would 'force' the FBI to respond given the kind of communication you've sent; they may chose to not respond at all! Secondly, are you contending the Amboy chute is Cooper's main chute, the 28' chute Cossey packed into an NB6 container? (or did you forget that part?). It's unclear what you are alleging and creeping up to, or what clear proof you have that trumps what everyone else is lacking, especially since you are asking for a public trial of the FBI under the threat of public interview(s) that will embarrass them ... in advance? Are you trying to force them to say 'what you want them to say'? This seems nutty to me... You have (or had) your own candidate at stake, presumably being examined by the FBI. Don't you think a letter like yours complicates things? How are the two potentially separate issues related? You definately are the little engine that could! Now let's see if you can... or get canned. You seem to have an answer for everything. Let's say the FBI says Kenny was not DB Cooper and turns down your offer to debate publically, and says the case is closed or set aside and will have no further public comment, and the public can do what it wants. You then are in a position to become a temporary cult figure ... until the public grows bored (which may take all of five minutes). You seem to have thought ahead? Because you are not going to change the basic evidence in the Cooper case. You can say what you want to whomever. You are avoiding the inevitable, Mr. Blevins. You have added nothing since you arrived because you have nothing to add except a small tempest which proved futile. Your letter be damned!

Thanks for declaring your motives so openly.

old news - see prior posts

Are you saying you believe you were abducted by aliens at some point in your life? Oh, brother. And people say I'm full of it. Perhaps that's what happened to Tina and why you were unable to locate her. She was an abductee and didn't come home with the rest of them on that ship from Close Encounters. To Everyone Else: Do you see now there is a subculture related to the Cooper hijacking? And that sometimes it can get a bit strange? Kind of like Twilight Zone, but without the reassuring voice of Rod Serling to ease you into the show and allay your fears. Robert, I think you misread Bruces post. He isn't claiming to be an actual alien abductee. Bruce does have a point that studying common hallucinations can be informative about how the human mind works. I agree. I just think John Mack was initially a bit gullible and biased. His first book, which I read cover to cover, is hardly a chronicle of a well designed and executed psych research study. Still, notice how civil Bruce is? I take a mild swipe at him and he doesn't respond with any venom at all. I'd like to be as kind, but it's too hard. 377 We all know Bruce's bias - he doesnt deny it in fact he wants to use and discuss it, so its in the open. Blevins, on the other hand, claims he has no bias, is the most rational person in the Cooperology, and claims to be the best researcher. Thus, the cartoon I posted.

Close Encounters. To Everyone Else: Do you see now there is a subculture related to the Cooper hijacking? And that sometimes it can get a bit strange? Kind of like Twilight Zone, but without the reassuring voice of Rod Serling to ease you into the show and allay your fears. Like this?

So you think it was Barb Dayton? 377 attached

Janet may have been suffering from something that altered her ability to accurately perceive and recall factual events. Alcohol, drugs sleep derivation and organic mental impairment can all cause these distortions. I don't think she could see the plane and if she could she couldn't resolve such details as extended stairs. Perhaps John Mack should interview Janet. He wouldn't care if she saw the 727. That's the wrong question. She could also be an eggplant, in some hyperthread on the internet.

Adventure Books receives a lot of email regarding the book on Christiansen. Four out of five of them believe we're on to something. And so do some members of the media, who continue to contact us via the media link. There is no 'BS' in the book. ? Oiville said to Toiville, "Are you my brother?". Toiville thought a long time and replied: "No. My name is Toiville. "

ok, family has expanded, everyone doing well. lets talk sometime soon. You ok?

Howdy!

So you say. Unfortunately, witness testimony from actually-alive-people and a wealth of circumstantial evidence still point to Kenny Christiansen as a viable suspect. Case not quite closed. actually-alive-people ? I have every faith that your 'work' will be judged on its merits by the appropriate people, and anything else is actually-alive redundancy on your part. You can drop your Sham-Wow commercials any time.

The Mayans predicted Farnsworth's invention of scanned television and also his lesser known Fusor. Its in their hierogliphics plain as day. If you view the Mayan pyramids from space they form a perfect video test pattern, remember those? The FBI and CIA have massive files on Mayan predictions. Look at Duane's sloping forehead and tell me he isn't a Mayan time traveller. 377 Its spacetime. Space and time are inseperable since General Relativity. The energy requirements for spacetime travel above the quantum level are prodigeous, at a minimum, and very distruptive. So, do as Arthur Clarke advised and place the Moon between the Earth and your spacetime craft when starting it up - otherwise there will be no Earth to return to, or anything else either! And Clarke was only talking about a vehicle hoping to achieve a fraction of the speed of Light.

How Many Composites are there? 1. The Bing Crosby 2. The Ben Gazzara 3. The Old Roy Rose 4. The Shaffner TV Composite What other composites are out there. Each one of the above shows a different shape. 1.The Crosby is more angular than oval. 2. The Gazzara is oval and angular but discloses the slanted forehead as does number 1. The slanted forehead the artist depicted seems to be lost to individuals with who have had NO art or portrait training. 3. The Old Rose - the witnesses could NOT agree, because Roy Rose could not get the mouth in an acceptable rendering to satisfy Tina and Florence. 4. The Shaffner composite was an artist trying to unofficially create another composite because during the filming for the program - it is obvious the witnesses complained about the two composites in circulation. Otherwise they would not have used an artist to try to create another composite. The FBI artist Roy Rose was interviewed by another party on my behalf about 14 yrs ago. The artist indicated there was something he was UNABLE to depict to the satisfaction of the witnesses and the FBI used the generic composite. None of the witnesses concurred with the 1st composite. #1 The Bing Crosby I am posting 2, 3, and 4. I do NOT have the Bing Crosby on my computer since the witness were ADAMANT that composite looked NOTHING like Cooper during the production of the documentary in which the Shaffner composite was done. I will include another composite I uunderstand was a Rose Composite but the face seems fuller that the other Rose Composite and the mouth looks different. Can anyone explain that composite it will be the last one and I will ID it with Question. What's the question?

First, Kenny looks like the sketch. But there was only one good witness out in the open. Third, no one's ever been able to agree on the sketch. I think the sketch is reasonably accurate. Kenny isn't THAT far off the description, and his facial features are a very close match to the sketch, such as it is. The sketch is a guide. The description may be close, but I wouldn't take it as God's truth to be 100% accurate. These things seldom are. Side Note: I wonder where Galen Cook will be hanging out when I do the slideshows at Good Old Days? Blevins-Jo, make up your mind! Total gibberish. "Kenny is a match, there was only one good witness out in the open, no one's ever been able to agree on the sketch, and "I think the sketch is reasonably accurate" ". Make up your mind. Get your eyes checked. Do you actually think the whole world is as stupid and gullible as you want the world to be?

Funny. I got the same sense. And when faced with such dilemmae I usually resort to the 'pound sand down a rathole and clarify' technique - example. When faced with six months of deliberation and personal atacks over installing a 110vac outlet - among Rockwell and Boeing retiree engineers ... I finally resort to basic psychiatry principles and try to clarify and condense: "Can we all agree its a 110vac outlet"? Stunned audience mutters "yea...". "Can we agree it has to go somewhere near the telescope?" .... "uhhh yea..." "Can we agree the telescope is in that building over there?" ....... uhhhhhhhh yea? "Can we agree the IAEOUMQB Standard for outlets says this side goes UP?" .... I hold the damned outlet up and show them. They agree! "Well folks, Im going overe to that building and take this outlet and mount it in the recepticle box on the pier to that telescope, and you guys can go on discussing this for another three years or whatever.... OK?" One Boeing domo replies: "Well dont use a hammer drill!". I reply: "the thought had not crossed my mind, or Linn County's mind either". And I disappear quickly into the same fog that shrouded Cooper to "get the job done". I hear the Boeing domo mutter convincingly, "I sure like that bio guy. He gets things done." (Bio guy?) Thanks for the clarifications...

I would call it "horse pucky" and parasitic. You keep repeating this same scripted nonsense as if it was some kind of phD thesis! I pity these folks you are going to be giving speeches to. That's a fact. Nice name-calling on the 25 points I made in the article listing the evidence pointing toward Christiansen. All of this was addressed long ago. Take your megaphone and . . . Is Farflung Snowmman?

That new witness name of Janet, Saw Cooper jumping? What a whore. Maybe a bore but not a whore. Please amend. Very poor choice of words unless you know something the rest of us don't?

I know, your mind is fixed and it can't be opened up to new ideas. Bob You wouldnt happen to be " D.P" who worked on the Cooper vane? Im sounding more like Jo every day. HELP! I actually enjoy juggling people's suppositions, but after three years I'm a bit supposition weary. Show the chain of proof. That is not being fixed of mind, but seeking Liberation from dogma? G.