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At least DB Cooper, Bigfoot and Roswell Aliens have been firmly reestablished as inextricably linked by yet another expert. Export. They send us potatoes and gold. We send them, Blevins.

You're welcome Jo. Take care.

Blevins, can you show me where the FBI claimed the Amboy chute might have been used by a military pilot in 1945? That's literally impossible as the canopy was manufactured in 1946. 377 I have basically glazed over with this whole Amboy chute thing, so what exactly is the contention Pudknockers are making? The chute is Cooper's main he used, or its the dummy chute Cossey said had panels missing/was sewn shut? The photos dont show a chute with panels missing? Silk vs nylon I understand. Three weeks ago I knew what silk and nylon are. Today? I guess what really impresses me is how people continue to work this problem by mind-melding from afar vs. getting their hands dirty up close and personal. I guess what is most at stake is the bar room tab? Meanwhile the price of silk is in freefall.

Dont ever say I havent done you a favour. You posted the pic on Aug 09 2010 in your post #18122 below, at: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi? post=3921740;#3921740 ------------------------------------------------------ skyjack71 Aug 9, 2010, 12:12 PM Post #18122 of 23743 (1083 views) Registered: Nov 12, 2006 Posts: 3050 Weber / Christiansen HA HA HA [In reply to] Quote | Reply -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Looking at the picture Jo linked up back there, ('Christiansen1.jpg') my first thought was The Hair. Duane has thick and wavy hair in the picture. I understand this picture is not from 1971, and Duane is older in the picture. Nevertheless, his appearance, and especially that thick hair, is absolutely nothing like the FBI description. His resemblance to the FBI sketch is minimal at best. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DEAR SIR: DID YOU spent 2 hours talking to the artist who did the composites? Well, prior to 2000 an investigative reporter on my behalf did just this with Rose who did the composites. You have NOT talked to this artist and this man is the closest anyone will ever get to hearing the description given by the witnesses (things the FBI has not revealed). As I said before you need to read this thread and the closed thread! Let me explain that there are things the FBI did NOT tell the public...about the appearance of Cooper. 1. Note the old unused and undisclosed (until this forum)- Rose composites. 2. Note the artist is trying to portray "xxxxxxx", but was unsuccessful in doing so. 3. None of the composites where in agreement with ALL of the witnesses. 4. I have explained the slanting forehead till I am tired of doing so. Look at what the artist is trying to show. If necessary take the composite and blow it up to letter size ----DO it!. Do it with all of the composites!. A forensic artist (who I consulted - one known nationally) and artist in general pointed these things out to me. 5. The artist tried to depict the slanted forehead and the optical illusions this creates for the observor....Same height, standing over the subject or shorter than the subject. Most of the contact with the subject was by stewardess - shorter than Cooper and who observed him sitting while they were standing. 6. Try to understand how one would depict this type of forehead. 7. Back in the 70's creams such as vaseline and Byrll cream were used to slick down the hair and they did a real good job. When this is applied to the curly hair it makes the hair appear much thinner. I personally have very curly hair and live in a humid climate. Dyed hair with the Clairol products of the 70's made the hair look shiny and also made it straighter (my own personal experience - when I first started graying). 8. When I started this investigation in 1996 - the ex- wife was STILL alive and told me she dyed his hair in the attached photo which SHE sent to me. The photo came right out of her own album (it is an orginal) and the date was written on the back. 9. At that same time she provided me with another photo taken around the same time - it was the glasses that Cooper wore...(they have been discussed in this thread and we did determine they were a the thing of the early 70's) and the kind that Cooper wore. 10. The forum has seen these photos, -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright©2009 by Jo Weber (This post was edited by skyjack71 on Aug 9, 2010, 12:43 PM) Attachments: CooperMouth.jpg (30.5 KB) Cooper more.JPG (26.7 KB) Canon City 1960.JPG (6.50 KB) Close-up 71.JPG (18.0 KB) Ship.JPG (90.2 KB) Duane Bch.jpg (45.6 KB)

Biological Properties Silk is resistant to attack by mildew, bacteria and fungi; however, rot-producing bacteria may attack silk fibres. Silk is fairly resistant to moths but silk does attract carpet beetles. Sunlight Sunlight accelerates silk decomposition, which is more susceptible to ultraviolet damage than wool. Silk fabrics have been weighted (treated) to improve durability can last a very long time. (you heard it first here!) http://218.189.210.187/ApparelKey/Document/Cate2 /2.4/silk_properties.htm

How old is Duane in his "paperlegs" photos? Wasn't Cooper middle age, 40s-50? Looks pretty top heavy to me. We know he had a "bad knee". Walked with a limp. Bad hip by middle age? Olympian? Does he fit the witness physical profile NOW? Forget PKD - focus on the legs! Jo says: Duane said he knew Paperlegs. Was he referring to himself? Or was it all you - in reference to the Duane (and you just didnt bother to tell anyone or post any photos of Duane which would highlite the obvious problem) ? "Had a bad knee. Walked with a limp (only when tired, Jo says). I can sure as hell see why !!!!! Any orthopedic surgeon would raise an eyebrow at this. Nobody reported this kind if trait for DB Cooper.

Thanks..

Until a few days ago (to my knoweldge) Jo Weber had never posted a full head-to-toe photo of Duane Weber, and none is available at Google except for one small prison photo of Duane which does not show his shoes. Finally Jo posted a full photo and something caught several people's attention - Jo has always said Duane had a bad knee injured, she said, in an airplane accident, or from bailing out of an airplane? Otherwise, Jo has always told us Duane was in perfect health and fit and atheletic. But, the photo Jo posted several days ago is strange in several respects. The photo appears to show Duane's 'bad knee', or something else. Photo No.1 is a prison photo of Duane at Canon City (I guess). Note his left leg lagging slightly behind the right in the side view and his slightly bent posture. In his frontal view note how Duane's right leg appears straight but there is slack in his left leg. Maybe its just me or distortion in the poor quality photo, or the way Duane was being forced to stand? Now look at Photos No.2 titled Paperlegs. I chose the title Paperlegs because that is the word Jo used for one of Duane's supposed unamed (unfindable) friends. Note Duane's posture and of the position of his left leg in both photos at different ages. Duane's posture and his leg position do not look normal in these photos. Some hip or knee issue looks possible. Perhaps this is an illustration of Duane's 'bad knee' showing itself. Or perhaps it is something more, and even of a congental nature? The postures seen in photo No 2. do not appear to fall within the normal range, for "Paperlegs". Now look at photo No. 3, Duane's beach pose. The same posture & balance issue are there. The problem is, Photo No.2 shows a left knee bending backward beyond the normal range of articulation for knees. This could suggest a hip issue or one leg longer than the other from birth - something more than just a bad knee. Issues of this kind show themselves not just in posture but in a person's gate. Not one witness in the Cooper case, who saw Cooper at the airport, at the ticket counter, standing in line, walking on to the airplane, or in the airplane seated or standing or moving around - reported anything out of the ordinary in the person's posture, gate, or mobility. Not one thing. And Cooper was middle aged. One of the photos attached shows Duane near mid age? Chart 1BY3 attached shows how hip rotator displacement (congenital) can affect posture and balance, and leg-weight distribution, not unlike that shown in Duane's photos? If Duane had congenital issues of this kind it could account for some of his behavioral issues, trying to compensate and appear normal (or better than normal), especially in his ability to perform in military service if he squeaked through a superficial physical exam only to find out he really could not perform normally ... its just a quesrtion which has bugged me about Duane from the start. Maybe Jo knows more.

Many of you will recall in the thread that when I posted the circumstances involved in the taking of the photo, Georger got REALLY UPSET, just like he did about my questioning his knowledge of what was removed from the composites and how would he know that? Quote Jo Weber's statement above is a total fabrication. It never happened, because nobody posted any reply for months about Jo's socalled Salty Lake City Photo, because Jo kept forgetting to post the photo - from April of 2008 clear until Nov 23rd of 2008 when she finally did post the photo, and she even chided everyone for not commenting about her photo in the meantime saying, quote: " By the way not one soul offered to help me find any information regarding the picture of a man wearing - a band suit, a flight suit, a guard uniform - or in any way help me to tie that darn picture down made in Salt Lake City in 1979. " So Jo's allegation above is total nonsense and a contrived fabrication, as regards me or anyone else! I finally posted two brief posts on the matter on Dec 24th and 26th 2008, and that is all I ever posted on this matter, first introduced by Jo on April 15th, 2008 . You owe me an apology, Jo Weber! I can supply all relevant posts in this matter upon request.

STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW. Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off. There is only one R in harassment. BTW, are you threatening her? I knew when you offered to help her you would be stirring her up. Your role here is well known ... and documented. Leave her alone. What the hell is the matter with you? My role? WTF? Have me "turned off" along with Mrs. Weber. Just push that big button.... Is that a threat? Nobody is bothering Jo Weber but herself and you. And this is the end of this bullshit, Bob Knoss, or whatever clone of Knoss you are.

STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW. Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off. There is only one R in harassment. BTW, are you threatening her? Where ya been hiding, atom man? I knew when you surfaced and offered to help Jo you would be stirring her up. Your role here is well known ... and documented.

STOP THE HARRASSMENT NOW. Or this time I will do something about it and have you turned off.

priceless.

So please, no more talk about how I did the book to get rich. only one person here has even brought it up. Jo Weber. so why the billboard?

well at least you are thinking about it and doing some background work, which is more than most people do - congrats!

I agree with everything you said about the money and the bag, pretty much anyway. But I favor a drift down the river (probably from Paradise Point State Park) or a deliberate trip to the river later to plant the money. And your 'passionate strong opinion' repeated many times, is based on what?

There are a finite number of scenarios that could have brought money to Tina Bar. Unfortunately your guesstimates are not among those statistically possible scenarios, nor the longshot of a Washougal washdown Rolling Thunder scenario, either. Guess you, Jo Weber, and JT are all out of luck! How did the 'brown paper bag' get into this!? Why not the taco shell bags from the galley that we know was ransacked - a feature which I am told will be covered in Geof Gray's forthcoming book?

Of course not. (*laughs*) I think you have an audience of one - yourself. Get therapy?

Prove it. Prove anything, Jo-II. !

The FBI isn't in the business of proving innocence. If Duane wasn't wrongfully charged or convicted then the law enforcement machine couldn't care less about his innocence. That's just the nature of the beast Jo. You weren't singled out for bad treatment. 377 Especially since 'she' started it all, in the first place! The FBI didn't ask Jo Weber to claim Duane Weber was DB Cooper! Nobody did. Whether true or not, it's all Jo's work.

Because he was the co-pilot. Because he knew where they were at the time the stairs rebounded and the indicator light on the panel went off and then on again for good. He has said this was several minutes flying time north of Vancouver. People on this thread (not you) sometimes talk about the pilots as if they were lost or something. Rataczak has said that they knew WHERE he jumped, but not WHERE he landed, because that would depend on the wind and when he pulled the ripcord. Early pull, more drift. Later pull, less drift. But he didn't drift all the way to Vancouver or Portland. I think Rataczak mentioned eight minutes or so north of Vancouver, which would make it approximately twenty-five miles north of there. For anything else, you should ask Skipp Porteous. He did the interview and he does answer questions. (that was meant seriously. He really does answer.) The question was: "how" did he know. I know what his title and job were. If I ask: "How could a Swarthchild event horizon leak?", the right answer will not be, "Because he is a physicist".

Well, the stairs were open about thirty to thirty-six inches under the air-stream after Cooper opened the door—that’s just the natural point where they will fall – the gap between the bottom of the stairs and the closure point in flight. ' He must be one of the 'only five guys on the planet knew' ... North of Vancouver is not the Washougal. He doesn't mention the Washougal. How did he know he was North of Vancouver?

Then Ms Orange comes back with this retort: .... Lye Soap is the resulting product of the above and often used to wash out the mouth of sassy young folks - back in the days. The only rude/nasty terms above is a direct quote from you. Does being a senior give you more license to be rude? Because that's sure the way you're trying to make it sound. Personally, I thought calling someone stupid would be against the forum rules on PAs, but yet again Teflon Jo sails on. It's amazing, actually. Modus operandi: be as nasty as you want, then pull something out to make people feel sympathetic with you. Jo is clearly a past master at manipulating men!!!! Incidentally, Jo, you never answered: with all these people doing all this work for you and discovering all sorts of stuff, how is it one of them never managed to do something as simple as download the transcripts for you? agree 100%.

I'm almost certain that I heard about the money find on the national television news on the evening that H. first saw one of the bills. And I lived in the Eastern time zone at that time. I think it was a Tuesday that H. first met with the Ingrams after they had found the money on a Sunday evening and then contacted the FBI after talking the matter over with friends and family on Monday. Perhaps H. didn't call the Seattle office on Monday after the first phone call from the Ingrams, but by mid-day Tuesday the Portland FBI people were digging up Tina Bar with the media all over the place. Robert Nicholson Harold Ingram called on Monday and gave serial numbers which were run through Washington, who in turn notified . . . Ingram called back on Monday and an appointment was set - the rest is history.

Be sure to telegraph your feelings about Galen Cook. This should be telling you something... It's only data, Blevins. It isn't an invasion from the Smog People.