Robert99

Fair Question. Well, where do we start? What am I getting out of the search? I have proven the FBI never disclosed all it knew about Weber - why I don't know! I have learned things about Weber I nor the FBI knew. As for my using Mrs. D.B.Cooper and other such titles - it was a way of finding information without revealing my personal information. Started doing that before I went public in 2000. I did what the FBI told me for the 1st 2 yrs (1996 and 1997). That ended with the letter dated 1998 from the FBI and I started to dig in anyway I could for information about Duane and about Cooper. After the letter I let the FBI know I had NEVER seen any colored composites of Cooper and all I had found on the Ben Gazarra look-alike composite had been the size of a postage stamps in blk and wht. digitized...just dots on paper. The agent sent me color copies of these and that was the day of NO RETURN. My daughter was there when they arrived and I hit the ground in the middle of the yard - all I could do was hold up the pictures and say "Look! look! " She took one look at the composites which she had never seen. "Oh, My God I guess he really was Cooper!" Jo, Do you have an actual answer for the original question which you have posted above? Robert99

Jo, The above is a quote from your post #38333. So you meant Cheyenne, Wyoming and Little Rock, Wyoming? I have been through Cheyenne, Wyoming. But where is Little Rock, Wyoming? It is not listed in my atlas index. Robert99

Jo, Has Florida legalized pot? You sound like it. Or at least you are being well supplied from somewhere. Fortunately, your local wind generally blows to the east and not the west. Good luck on Spokane. Why don't you visit that fair city? You could drive out there and make stops at some of the various prisons along the way that figure into your story. And you could also visit that famous stretch of highway in Montana where Duane managed to contact an aircraft (airliner, space shuttle, UFO?) on a CB radio. That should bring back memories. But I do have a question that I have been wanting to ask you. What are you getting out of your claimed "search" to prove that Duane was D.B. Cooper and that you are the renowned Mrs. D.B. Cooper? I am sure you resent Marla trying to cut in on your operation and, heaven forbid, she has been on the same morning talk shows that have ignored you for all these years. If you are personally convinced that Duane was Cooper, and I doubt if you are, then where is all the evidence that you have found in 18+(?) years of searching? If are not convinced that Duane was Cooper, then you need to talk to Blevins. He has been posting recently on this same subject area. Blevins can probably give you a definition of the mental state of an individual who repeatedly hits their head against the wall and expects the next repetition to have a different outcome. Finally, your health seems to have improved over the last week or so. You began playing the health card about 2006 on another web site. And for the last couple of years or so, you have been posting on DZ.com that you and St. Peter are already holding hands. I trust your health will continue to improve. Robert99

Jo, It takes some gall for you to make such a statement about Georger. You probably don't have the slightest idea of who he is. If he or anyone else had even hinted at such a thing about you, you would have posted about 10 red outrageous replies and demanded that they be banned from the list. Robert99 Robert U need to have your head examined. Do you actually read the little remarks Georger and I share - we do this to each other and be assured he has done me more times than you care to count. I am NOT going to change that wording - and U can bet Georger will get a kick out of it. I don't know the man personally, but I know who he is and his accomplishments. YOU really need to read WAY back in this thread. Georger is very hard on me and every once in a while I get a punch in on him. Sometimes he is OK with it and sometimes he comes out fighting like a BANTY ROOSTER. U need to clean UP your act and try to have some fun with this - do U need some preparation H?. Jo, And just earlier today you claimed you hadn't been smoking pot! Robert99

Jo, It takes some gall for you to make such a statement about Georger. You probably don't have the slightest idea of who he is. If he or anyone else had even hinted at such a thing about you, you would have posted about 10 red outrageous replies and demanded that they be banned from the list. Robert99

Jo, There you go again! I have never read the book in question or, to the best of my knowledge, ever heard of the author. Nor have I ever claimed the "records" on Duane's fradulent enlistment in the Army were "false". I have stated that it would require some lawyers and a judge or two to determine Duane's "legal" status while he was in the Army during that fradulent enlistment. Eight hours between the weed and the computer keyboard might be a good idea for some people. Robert99

QuoteJo writes: Face it we all Know I am OFF my Rocker, Crazy and Delusional, but I do NOT go around trying to diagnose the rest of you. R99 replies: See below! Jo writes: Blevins is OUT of his league on this subject and so are the rest of us! MeyerLouie just might be a little more informed in theses thing than anyone on this thread - so don't throw stone until you know your target. R99 replies: See the first quote from Jo above! Jo writes: If Blevins would stop being a KNOW IT ALL, then perhaps there could be some productiver discussions but right now I don't HEAR that happening. Blevins where WAS your mind when you made your crazy suggestions. Perhaps I should have a venture before I die - one thing about it if I got real sick in WA - I don't have to lie there and suffer - I can smoke a little weed and than that a cocktail and tell the world good bye. R99 replies: Jo, you have asked and answered your own questions above. And it appears that you had smoked a LOT of weed before you wote that post. Of course you will deny it, but just a few weeks ago you denied smoking weed. You just inhaled the smoke when Duane and your daughter smoked weed. Can you state the name of the planet you are now living on? Give it a serious try before asking for help. Robert99

Jo, Mrshutter actually does have investigative skills and YOU DON'T! You see connections that couldn't possibly exist and then yell at others for not supporting your nonsense. And you have been doing this for years on DZ and other web sites. In case you can't remember them, just Google "Duane Weber" or even "MsCooper" or "MrsCooper", as you frequently refer to yourself, and take a look at what turns up. Your so-called "research" is baloney. You are free to waste your time but you want other people to waste their time also chasing after illusions. Robert99 You and MrShutter are the poorest excuse for investigators this world has ever seen. Never before has such a team of incompetents logged so many errors in a row. The only way anyone could compete would be to know all the right answers and TRY to get them wrong. But I repeat myself, again. Give it a rest, you can't change history. The truth is still available. And it ain't nobody but Duane Weber no matter how hard everyone tries to twist it. Facts is facts, and dat's the troof. Youse is wrong in everything you writes. And I do not drink, do drugs, or have a psychiatrist on call. And I CAN count to zero. Your "right on" count. Knoss, If you don't drink or do drugs, then you don't have an explanation for your actions. Perhaps you should get a Psychiatrist "on call". I'm sure the good Doctor would find enough data to at least get a paper on your case printed in the "Journal of Screwballs and Nutcases". So you could actually help science advance the understanding of people like yourself. Robert99

Jo, Mrshutter actually does have investigative skills and YOU DON'T! You see connections that couldn't possibly exist and then yell at others for not supporting your nonsense. And you have been doing this for years on DZ and other web sites. In case you can't remember them, just Google "Duane Weber" or even "MsCooper" or "MrsCooper", as you frequently refer to yourself, and take a look at what turns up. Your so-called "research" is baloney. You are free to waste your time but you want other people to waste their time also chasing after illusions. Robert99

Indeed. You never show your cards Jo. You tease but you hold em. Always. No exceptions. 377 Jo has made the same claim on other web sites for quite a few years. The only logical conclusion is that she doesn't hold any aces in the first place. In any event, since she is still asking the same questions, it is obvious that she hasn't made any progress in getting those questions answered. Robert99

Jo writes: You nor Georger have me pegged. Obviously I am unable to determine what you guys are looking for or trying to do. R99 replies: I think I can also speak for Georger in saying that both he and I are looking for D.B. Cooper. Jo writes: The letter written from Camp Sibert is authentic and I am not lying about anything. The only thing I see is your determination of verbage and my trying to explain something I am holding to a group of men on a computer...who think they have some kind of insight NO one else has. R99 replies: Jo, You need to read the posts and see who, if anyone, actually made the comments you are complaining about above. Jo writes: Yes, my health is fragil and I hate it when you guys pick on me - seems like you always get me at my worse. Did you have 3 surgeries in 11 months? Are you looking at 2 surgeries in the next 6 month? I didn't think so! Are you in so much pain you are just trying to get thur Christmas? I didn't think so. Sorry I even mentioned my health, but when some of you are hammering me for answers it seems to be at a bad time. R99 replies: I am not hammering on you. On your health matter, you have been playing the health card for about three or more years. If you are in as much pain as you claim, I (and I'm not an MD) would suggest that you put your computer away for a while and forget this thread. That might help you get your blood pressure down and presumably would help you overall. Jo writes: Robert99 you have dissed the Balloon Bombs ever since I mentioned them. I do know Duane had something to do with the finding and retrival of these - so put that in your pocket. Frankly I know more about these damn things than you do and what I know is factual. Where you aware they used PRIVATE planes in the beginning to keep from causing public concern? DID YOU? BE honest - hell NO you didn't know. Just how did JO WEBER learn about this? I asked you before and you evaded the question by bashing me. Do you know WHY they did this? If you saw multiple military planes flying all over - what kind of fear would you or your parents have felt...yes, it was war time, but small military planes making searches over the entire N.E.? HOW does Jo know this. R99 replies: I have not "dissed the balloon bombs", rather I have dissed the baseless stories you have put out related to them. Were the civilian aircraft you mention above being operated by the Civil Air Patrol or a similar organization. If so, the people operating those aircraft would be their owners. Seeing military aircraft, both small and large, flying overhead was a daily event. And I am not aware of anyone getting excited about it. And they were flying over the "N.W." rather than the "N.E.". It is VERY unlikely that Duane Weber had ANYTHING to do with the balloon bombs. Are you also going to claim that he worked on the Atomic Bomb at Hanford? Jo writes: What does this have the HELL to do about Cooper? R99 replies: Absolutely nothing! There is no connection between the balloon bombs and Cooper. Robert99

Jo, I have NOT made ANY claims about Camp Siebert! You need to pay attention to what you are reading and who wrote it! I was an eye witness to the balloon bomb situation! Your apparent belief that someone who wasn't there, which includes yourself, is the only source of truth in that matter is beyond nonsense! Grow up! Robert99

Jo, You are lying through your teeth when you claim that I said Duane's letter was a phoney! If you actually read the posts on this thread, including your own, then you know you are lying. Would you care to define what an "official" personal letter is? I suggest that you take your own advice and shut up until you know what you are talking about. Georger has you correctly pegged. Robert99

Quote Jo writes: The division Duane was in is clearly spelled out on the letter and the address. He was doing field training and it required a lot of timing and asked his mother to send him his watch. He states that the chemical end of this is not so bad, but it was not what he wanted. Do you think Duane made that up in 1943 and that he managed to get the letter post marked from the base. Gimme a Break! R99 replies: Based on my personal experience, an excellent way to get a letter postmarked from the base was to drop it off in your unit's outgoing mail box. It always worked for me. Jo writes: I don't care WHO you are or HOW smart you think you are or what your credential state! Duane was in Chemical Warfare Training at Camp Siebert. There is NO biological on the address and the identifications on the letter. Perhaps the Biological was NOT add to the training until after 1943. YOU think? R99 replies: The term "biological warfare" long predates WW2. I have never seen the term used except in connection with chemical and/or radiological warfare. And chemical warfare (or poison gas) was heavily used in WW1 but not in WW2. Jo writes: I never stated that Duane worked for this CBR. I don't know who he worked for or if it was part of the "out sourcing" with McNeil in 1945. His uncle - CHECK IT OUT YOURSELF, was CWF in WW1 and then recalled for a BRIEF time during the Balloon Bomb - this brief recall was done with Public Service. YOU just do not GET IT. I don't give a HOOT how old you are or how much experience you CLAIM to have - you had nothing to do with Camp Siebert CWFT and you had nothing to do with the Effort in WA during the Balloon Bomb time. The regiment number is in the letter and in the address. R99 replies: CBR is NOT a company. It is simply the abbreviation for chemical, biological, and radiological. So I "had nothing to do with the Effort in WA during the Balloon Bomb time"? Madam, if needed, my Boy Scout unit, the Badger Patrol, would have been on the job immediately. So be careful who you are knocking here! Us 10 and 11 year old kids could be a formidable force in that time frame. Jo writes: I did NOT even plan to post until your uniformed (but supposedly in the know) post made a mockery out of the TRUTHS. Are you a MILITARY HISTORIAN? If not then show RECORDS from history that support your purported knowledge of the Camp Siebert training in CWF in 1943. I do not know what your resources are - but you need to talk to the McNeil Historian about the programs they created for 1st time offender who did NOT belong in Camp Siebert. I have listed these previously. I have also stated the FAMILY members and friends of the family took efforts to make sure Duane did NOT enter the general population of the prison where he would have been raped and placed with harden criminals. His being sent to McNeil destroyed his life or what it could have been with the intervention programs available to day. Duane Weber was ALWAYS there to help others when they fell. He never turned anyone down - he was a good friend to those he knew and to those he did not know, but saw struggling or moving in the wrong direction. In fact I thought he was too SOFT on others. Duane was being trained in the field - and his letter indicates timing and in the field. Duane may not formally have finished high school but let me assure you he took every course there was to take in prison made available to him - I have some of the certificates. Therefore in prison - he had more than a high school education. His penmanship, history knowledge, math skills and his ability to improvise - might have caused you with your degrees to lower your head in shame. Formal education is NOT all there is to life. Obviously you never learned the lessons life has to offer. 1.NEVER try to discredit a woman or make a mockery of her when you already know she holds the papers on the criterior you are speaking of. If you had been reading my posts you would know that the CAMP SIEBERT part of this story has been documented and researched. I do NOT live to far from there and historians from the area and some out of Ft. Benning did a LOT of research for me. Duane was handy and he was in WA. If his Uncle wanted him you can bet he got him on one of the field crews. They pulled this together VERY fast - and if the individual was available and had even the basic training they were put on crews. WHO said they were employed by CBR. Did CBR actually exist in 1945 and did they have enough field personnel available in the states with small planes to do what they needed to do over a multi state area. NO THEY DID NOT. They used private planes because military planes would have cause the public to become alarmed. What is in BLUE is DOCUMENTED. Take yout supposed knowledge of this and shove it where it will do the most good! On second thought both ends! R99 replies: What is in blue is nonsense! There was no panic about the balloon bombs and they were common knowledge. And there was no chemical, biological, or radiological warfare involved with the balloons. Jo writes: I hope you have to eat crap for a month - I despise a know-it-alls like you and I love it when they stumble and fall off the all imposing knowledge cliff after critizing and belittling those who are not supposed to have such knowledge. This is about as nice as I can be about your all important attitude toward anything I say...been waiting for this day for a LONG LONG time.....if I get banned for it at least others will see you for some of the MIS-INFORMATION you put out there as being fact. R99 replies: Since you apparently hadn't been born when most of the events described above happened and I lived through at least the balloon bomb part of what I discussed above, I'll stick with my version of the story and it is the correct one. Robert99

I'm not sure what they did in Basic Training in WW2, but here's what 'chemical warfare training' amounted to in the mid-70's: They showed you how to use a gas mask. You put it on. They marched us into a poorly-lit room about the size of a Quonset hut. An officer wearing a mask was dropping pellets or something into a tuna can over a hot plate. A surprisingly small amount of vapor emanated from the can. They called it 'CS'. They told everyone to take their masks off. People started choking and tearing up. They told us to put our masks back on. They marched everyone out. Next group went in. Took less than an hour. Blevins, You description of gas mask training in the 1970s is also the way it was done in the early 1950s and probably in WW2 as well. Jo is describing what would have been known in WW2 as "Chemical and Biological Warfare Training" (Radiological Warfare was added to this after Hiroshima). But Duane Weber did not have any skills or training (did he even finish high school?) that would have been useful in CBR warfare. Jo's claim that Duane was working in CBR with less than two months in the Army and without even going through basic training just simply doesn't wash. Do people do brain surgery before they start medical school? Robert99

Jo, The whole story above is not believable. The first thing you do when entering the Army, whether WW2 or today, is go through about two months of what used to be called Basic Combat Training. Advanced Training of one type or another would follow that. You said a few days ago that Duane was only in the Army for a couple of months before his enlistment fraud was discovered and he was booted out. It is HIGHLY unlikely that Duane had any type of chemical training except maybe a few minutes of tear gas exposure as he was learning to use a gas mask (assuming he even made it that far). Duane didn't acquire any military skills during his time in the Army. If he claimed otherwise in a letter to his mother, he was conning her just as much as he apparently conned you. Robert99

The Balloon Bombs did have secret beginning . . . If Robt99 had the information about all of the different groups involved - why hasn't he posted them? Jo, Your wild imagination about balloon bomb secrets, forest fire fighters that required security clearances, and "information about all of the different groups involved" is complete nonsense. No firefighter needs a security clearance to fight a forest fire. Stories about the balloon bombs were initally printed in newspapers and even national magazines in the US. Finally, the US Government asked the media to embargo those stories. But there were plenty of other ways that the news about the bombs could be, and was, circulated. In my particular case, having seen one of those balloon bombs in flight, the word was passed to the kids at school to notify the police if they found one of the balloons out in the brush. Reportedly, the first information the Japanese had about the balloons arriving in the US was from a story in a Thailand newspaper. "All the different groups involved" that you mentioned consisted of only the normal police and law enforcement officals plus the military services. There were no "secret" groups set up as a result of the balloon bombs as far as is known. Jo, Here is a question for you. What event caused the Japanese to develop those ballon bombs in the first place? Finally, it is typical of Jo Weber to believe her own imagination about supposed events even when eye witnesses to those events do not support her version. Jo's imagination takes precedent over facts that don't support her version of events. Robert99

Is it a fiction? Her "story" never seemed to gel, maybe her editor helped her out and ties it up better with a few good research sessions? Matt 435 pages? Tosaw and Himmelsbach didn't use that many pages combined. And they included actual data on the hijacking. Gray used less than 300 pages. If Marla has written 435 pages, she must have a superb memory for an eight year old child. Or more likely, a hyperactive imagination and a prolific ghost writer. Robert99

Blevins, When you put your foot in your mouth, just follow Jo's example and deny you ever made the statement in the first place. It may not change any facts, but it apparently makes Jo feel better. Robert99

U ARE A TROLL BECAUSE U R MAKING THIS PERSONAL. IT IS U NOT TAKING ALL INTO PLACE. U DO NOT JUST DISAGREE andYOUR POST ATTACKED ME PERSONALLY AND THAT IS UNCALLED FOR. THAT MAKES U A TROLL. THAT IS WHAT TROLLS DO - GO INTO A THREAD ACT LIKE THEY ARE THERE TO HELP AND THEN THEY START TO ATTACK THE MOST VUNERALBE OF THE THREAD. WHAT IS THEIR MOTIVE? THEY NEED TO TAKE CONTROLL. You see I do not have to go to a dictionary or other places - I have lived on this earth for 70 plus yrs and I personally experienced the things I have told. THIS THREAD IS FOR THE EXPLORATION OF ALL THE ELEMENTS INVOLVED IN THIS UNSOLVED CRIME OF 1972 - TO DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS AND NOT TO ATTACK OTHER POSTERS OR TO INSULT THEM. YOU CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE WITHOUT POSTING THE definition of Parnoid. UNCALLED for and I have noticed your posts have become more and more like this lately. Jo, Have you ever called anyone the following: 1. A troll living under a bridge? 2. An ass? 3. A moron? 4. A phony? 5. Numerous names along the same line as above? If you read the things that are posted under your name, then the answer is yes. Robert99

Jo, You are the one who has managed to disprove your own claim that Duane Weber was Cooper. Ever wild goose chase that you have tried to start ends up being proven wrong. You do not have a single piece of evidence that would even remotely support your claim about Duane being Cooper. Will your claims ever end? Robert99

Jo, Ed does not look like John Anglin, Clarence Anglin, Frank Morris, or Santa Claus. Ed does not match any of them and even they don't look like each other, maybe John and Clarence but only slightly. Ed may resemble Santa Claus a wee bit also but it is probably purely by accident. Your idea of secure phones doesn't resemble reality either. They were very few and far between in the 1960s and if Boeing had ONE in its engineering department in that time frame it was probably going to be in a room next door to the Chief Engineer's office. You mentioned that the two people you are talking about had connections with Boeing in California. Precisely where was Boeing's California facility located? It is very unlikely that anything about the commercial version of the 727s had a national security classification. Instead, it would have a great big stamp reading something like "BOEING PROPRIETY" and it would be carefully protected by Boeing personnel. The highest security classification I personally have ever seen was "FOR XXXXX XXXXX EYES ONLY" and I was specifically led to understand that there was no higher security classification in either the known or unknown universe(s). I am still not free to discuss what the "Xs" stood for. But you can trust me that the information in question was very closely held and highly protected. Robert99

I think the above "myth" can be laid to rest permanently. Why would they try to set up a meeting with the law enforcement people and prosecutors the the day after escaping? Surely no one thinks they were interested in turning themselves back in and returning to Alcatraz. A prison guard is the last thing they ever wanted to see again. Robert99

Would not open! Jo, It only took one click for it to open for me. Are you just trying to avoid reading it? Robert99

Jo, Nobody here is working on behalf of the govt to prevent Norjack from being solved. That really is paranoid thinking. It's just a chaotic blog here. It threatens nobody. We don't matter to the govt. I know you disagree, but I think the FBI would LOVE to solve Norjack. It's their only unsolved skyjack. Your speculative conclusions about Duanes familial connection to 727 secrets is a perfect example of your bias. Not even the pilots, flight engineer or NWA operations had any info indicating that the 727 could be safely flown with the stair deployed. Yet you want us to believe that Duane knew this because some relative sold paint to Boeing??? Please Jo, reconsider your accusations that any forum participant is working for the govt to sabotage your investigation. You are way too smart to believe something that absurd. 377 Jo "way too smart to believe something that absurd"? No she's not. Robert99