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Centralia, PA: Isn't that the town that was eaten alive by an underground coal fire that is still burning today? Yes, Anthracite coal -- but Not quite eaten up. I think there were 11 people left in 2007 at the time of the docu.

I think to explore any other theory you have to get the burr out from under your saddle and look at things without relating everything to their favorite suspect AND take out the animosity towards other people that have a suspect. You also have to remember that a GREAT deal of your "evidence" for KC amounts to hearsay. The same as everyone else. I personally doubt its either one, quite likely it's someone we've never heard of who is at the bottom of a large body of water. That said......... #1. There is a large field between cheap suit and expensive silk. If the tie came from J C Penneys, as I believe you have posited before, hey it's likely the suit might have too. That's the kind of store that my daddy got his suits from and I never thought of him as wearing a "cheap suit". "Cheap suit" changes the description. Words matter sometimes, esp in descriptions and these are people who would have looked at a suit from Penneys or Sears as just being a 'Suit". Not identifying it as expensive does not mean that it was "cheap". Far from it actually --- "sharp-looking business man" (the only description I remember) goes more to defining an expensive suit than a "cheap" one. As far as nothing he did matching the actions of a military man. That is best answered by pointing you back to my post on McCoy, et al and of those that would have "fit the bill". Read it again and digest. Be illuminated. My point - for every criminal that fits a certain profile for this specific, I can show you one that doesn't. Additionally -- look at Wolfgang Gossett's life subsequent to the hijacking ---Is that where you see his military bearing taking him -- Seriously? --this is one dude that seems to have made a life out of breaking from his mold. Judge Chamberlain Haller: Mr. Gambini? Vinny Gambini: Yes, sir? Judge Chamberlain Haller: That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection. Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Your Honor. Judge Chamberlain Haller: [firm tone] Overruled. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Completely off subject, but if you ever get the chance, read about Centralia, PA or watch a documentary called "The Town That Was" (It's free on Hulu - just have to watch a couple of commercials). I'd read about it before and have seen pics but the documentary goes into more detail. Interesting story. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

LOL - Seriously now...I'm just putting the information out there. Getting a discussion started cause this thread is so much caca now. LOL...But I accept apologies - even the backhanded ones. It's a southern thing - we generally just accept and bless his heart - he probably just didn't know any better. Meanwhile, the sword is sharpened for the next duel. Life on the lower forty. According to one SAC - KC didn't fit the profile either --- but let's forget ken -- you said you were tired of talking about KC and I agree. The ground's been covered. Now I'm posting about someone else. Another excerpt paraphrased from same story...... What many people didn’t know is that Gossett had a dark side, including four failed marriages, five children , making 15,000 and money troubles from gambling. He was an ROTC instructor making $15,000 per year, and newly separated from his wife. Galen Cook said that Gossett chose the date for the heist because he had a week off from his duties. According to Clyde Lewis he was a smoker - YUP, Raleighs. Fancy this if you will..... Richard McCoy was born December 7, 1942, in the town of Kinston, North Carolina, and grew up in nearby Cove City. In 1962 McCoy moved to Provo, Utah, and enrolled at Brigham Young University (BYU) before dropping out to serve a two-year tour of duty in the Army. He served in Vietnam as a demolition expert and pilot and was awarded the Purple Heart in 1964. In 1965 McCoy returned to BYU, where he met Karen Burns. They married in August 1965 in Raleigh. By 1971 they had two children, Chanti and Richard. McCoy served another term in the Army on the condition he go to Vietnam, where he was awarded both the Army Commendation Medal and Distinguished Flying Cross. Upon returning to Utah, he served as a warrant officer in the Utah National Guard and was an avid skydiver. McCoy taught Mormon Sunday school and studied law enforcement at BYU. His purported dream was to become an FBI or CIA agent. From most accounts, based on his life to that point, McCoy was a most unlikely hijacker. Point being -- Nothing in McCoy's history seems to jive with him hijacking a plane, escaping from prison and ending up in a shootout either. Hmmmm.....Go figure. If you're strictly talking persona, the folks that seem "Most likely to hijack and jump from a plane" are guys like Mayfield, Peterson, Braden. I'm curious - where does it say that the suit was cheap? Not saying it doesn't - I just don't remember that. Hal Williams said he looked like a "sharp looking business man to me" Hate to see another myth turned to reality. And finally ....cause it was just hanging out there and I couldn't resist..... "I did not have sex with that woman"..... Former President Bill Clinton to the American Public" but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

WHatever else , you can't say that the Cooper candidates don't have some interesting life stories to tell. Is there a known Cooper suspect out there that was just a regular ol guy? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I don't know much about him, look it up on SSDI possibly? excerpt from here http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=75261.0;wap2 .... he was born William Pratt Gossett in San Diego in 1930, the son of a Navy commander later stationed at Pearl Harbor. At the age of 11, Bill Gossett witnessed Japanese bombers attacking the base. In 1946 at age 16 Gossett joined the Army Air Force, then switched branches in 1954 to become a U.S. Marine. After 10 years in the Corps, he jumped to the U.S. Army, serving one tour in Korea and two tours in Vietnam, where he earned a Purple Heart for wounds and several awards for valor. Throughout his military career, he attendeddozens of elite Armed Services schools where he learned military law, fluent French — he did a tour at the U.S. embassy in France — and became a skilled survivalist and combat parachutist with hundreds of high-altitude and night jumps. He finished his career as an ROTC instructor and retired from the Army at Ft. Lewis, Wash., in 1973, less than two years after the notorious skyjacking. Gossett returned to Utah, where he had inaugurated the ROTC program at Weber State College, and became a private detective specializing in money fraud, cults and missing persons. His biggest moment came when he assisted the FBI in rescuing a woman from the Bhagwan Rajneesh’s compound in Antelope, Ore. Among the documents Galen Cook found among Gossett’s personal belongings at the Depoe Bay home of C.J. Winter was a letter of commendation from the FBI, which still has an investigator assigned to the D.B. Cooper case. Gossett also worked for the public defender’s office in Salt Lake City, where he was well-known and respected by police and court officials including the police chief of Ogden, Utah, who said Gossett “could eat bullets and call it a meal.” In another amazing twist to Gossett’s life, he officially changed his name to “Wolfgang” and became a priest in the Old Catholic Church, SLC Diocese, in 1988 — a move that answered, according to family members, a spiritual calling that he’d always heard. Finally, in 1994, Gossett moved to Newport where he worked for attorney Dan Poling, a Depoe Bay resident who died several years ago. Gossett retired to Depoe Bay and became known as a man about town who had many friends, often won on the gaming machines at Gracie’s Sea Hag and spoke-out at City Council meetings. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I googled it and got 306-225-7126. Don't know if that is still good or not - It's supposedly the business number. Didn't see email on first pass but if she's got one I'm sure it's out there on the world wide web somewhere. It's a pretty popular spot and she seems to enjoy it. She might be like a little store near my house. They have a sign that says Open when can and closed when can't.

I am wondering about Gossett's military service - if the inscription is correct. If he was in WW2, then he would have had to join when he was 15. I think he was born in July, 1930. Unless they include a certain number of years after the surrender as WW2 era?? Anyone know? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

LOL...I had a feeling someone would bite. let's see.... Tax bills......Reasons one might not pay on time.... 1. Divorce - It's her responsibility now, damn it. 2. Forgot 3. Procrastination.....making him wait. 4. Don't want to part with money until last possible minute. 5. Everyone else is doing it. 6. Form of protest. 7. Misplaced the safe deposit box key so can't get to heisted twenties. 8. Lost the money on the trip down. 9. Broke as hell cause Kenny wouldn't give him his half of the money. Like I said - means nothing in the DB Cooper scheme of things. I know one guy that's wealthy, but is tight as a tick and has every dime and dollar he's ever made. He's an old southern lawyer and waits til the folks are gathered on the courthouse steps like vultures before he pays his taxes.

Forgot this one...... www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=GO&GSfn=w&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=39&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GSsr=281&GRid=29233122&df=all&] but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

item attached for your perusal... 1. Jo, Is this the commutation you are talking about? Grabbed it from a previous post. 2. A Gossett snippet from the past. What does it all mean? ...absolutely nothing... Just interesting is all.

Interesting video. Do disc jockeys always sound so deep voiced and self-assured or is it just when the On Air sign is on. I always imagine that the minute the sign is off, the guy takes a deep breath and then sounds like the rest of us.

One of your best. This one goes in the classic file. Meow. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Terrain is VASTLY different. It also was not snowing in Nov 71. Cooper jumped out on the flats with a few hills.. Kurt jumped OVER a pretty good sized glacially sculpted mountain called Mt Si. There was actually a dropzone just a few miles west from there back in the 1970's. Apparently he left the chopper to the NE of the mountain with the intention of doing what is known as proximity flying. Plenty of youtube you can search for on that. Depending on where he impacted.. who know.. it can be months before someone will locate his remains when the weather warms up. Edited to add this one to show the diversity of the surrounding terrain..of Mt Si http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux2DboTepjQ Edited to add a view near Yacolt WAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVoX0jT5blo Edited to add Amboy from Yacolt... aka Cooper Country Nice perspective but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Then he must have removed the darn thing at some point. Good for him. But the fact stands that, according to the attachment on the post i linked to which is a SCREENSHOT of the review, He DID REVIEW THE BOOK. Check the post I linked to. The attachment clearly looks like a review by Geoff Nelder for into the Blast Revised Version. You might not care about my link but that's what this whole conversation was based on - I don't lie and "you can't take the truth". I think that's a direct quote from Mr. Nicholson.

Then he must have removed the darn thing at some point. Good for him. But the fact stands that, according to the attachment on the post i linked to which is a SCREENSHOT of the review, He DID REVIEW THE BOOK. Check the post I linked to. The attachment clearly looks like a review by Geoff Nelder for into the Blast Revised Version. You might not care about my link but that's what this whole conversation was based on - I don't lie and "you can't take the truth". I think that's a direct quote from Mr. Nicholson.

And actually, with all due respect - i take exception to your calling me a liar. I'm just posting what's been posted before. You sir should read before you post. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4062492#4062492 See attachment #2 but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Wrong. Nelder has NOT reviewed Blast. I did check the reviews for both editions just now, Kindle and paperback. That is a flat-out lie. And you need to go and look for yourself before you say that stuff. You know what Blevins - I don't lie or make false claims, I attached the frickin post and you just didn't read it. SO I will attach it again - and you need to read this one before calling me a liar. Here's the post and it's attachment #2. Just like I posted on the previous page. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4062492#4062492 but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

It's not truncated in the post on the previous page. It only truncated because I copied the post to the new page. Go back one page. If you'd read the post before responding to it you would know that.... but here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4044864#4044864 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4045026#4045026 Like I said I particularly liked the part that said "I considered it a public service to steer people away from it, whether I actually read the thing or not. Why the hell would I bother reading the thing? They got the biggest fact of all dead wrong. They named the wrong guy. I stand by the review completely. I didn't HAVE to read it to review it. I already knew it was garbage." but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Actually the one I thought would be problematic was the one where Geoff Nelder reviewed Into the Blast and he's also listed as the editor. But I figure if anyone is going to take someone that is listed as the editor of the book as a legit review, that is their problem. I guess there's no laws against it - just seriously doesn't look very professional or credible. You might want tot rethink the practice. But it's your business - do what you want but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

First of all I don't dislike you or AB and frankly have no feeling one way or the other as to your sales. It's immaterial. You however made an inaccurate post using inaccurate data posits and I proceeded to correct it for you by showing you the previous posts. As for the response about you telling MrSHutter he couldn't have an opinion (or words to that effect) since he didn't read your attachments... Really....Are you serious.....20 pages and judging a book by it's cover - Bull. You clearly said you didn't read the book. Period. Read the original post and the original attachment. Then read your response to the original post. It's all here - I've even made it clickable for you.

Yeah it seems like that doesn't it - Unfortunately - he responded to about 4 different people in one post - I think everyone responded back. Like I said I'm not attacking him - just his data. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I don't think that your shill has anything at all to do with the Regina site. Apples and oranges, hun. The Regina site is not the first time that has been done. Satirical posting was done once before on another site - I think right after you started posting here. At least I don't think it was "Regina's site". Could have been - though - I went once or twice and looked and don't think I ever went back. It actually started out as humorous - apparently it went beyond that 0 I'll have to take your word for it. Regardless - it's obviously troll activity and not worth the time or effort to respond. It's been my experience that if you ignore people like that they eventually go away. As for the shill reviews on Amazon or wherever - I believe Farf included the info in his attachments to a post about the subject of shill reviews of AB books - so that attachment would have revealed the book. Maybe I'm mistaken and it was about someone else's publishing staff doing shill reviews, but I don't think so. I will be more than happy to look it up if you want. Oh what the hell...if you insist.... See attachment 2 - http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4062492#4062492 This one is Grace Hobson and Geoff Nelder - several attachments - could just be a mutual admiration society....hmmmm http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4129292#4129292 I think there might be more but I got tired...More than enough, if you are even a tad bit cynical, to show that you someone at AB might be into creative marketing

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Sometimes deferring is a good strategy, but, on this one, I couldn't figure out the upside for Notre Dame deferring either. I'm sure they had a plan - just not sure that plan factored in how high the Tide was gonna roll. The only problem with a game like that is you pretty much know who's gonna win 30 - 45 minutes before it's over but you feel like you still have to watch it til the end.