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  1. I have copied your questions here and will put these directly to my paper guys here - AFTER THE FOURTH! Its a holiday! Go watch some fireworks and cook some wieners. Take a day off.
  2. With the Fazio farm in the area, nitrates is not a bad quess. Cow crap runoff! Methane. Ckret has the bills - he could have one tested using The BCI lab in Washington State .. doesnt even have to go to Quantico. This is basic stuff... the test. But I will now ask my paper guys even if its only over the phone after sending them (your good) photos. Yours were the best photos Ive ever seen. Super job there! This would be child's play to the Treasurey folks - if you know one just ask him ... I am sure there is a Treasurey Dept office in WA Ckret could also ring up and ask ... if he hasnt already.
  3. I will get you your purple and black staining, or will try. I am sure the black is simply fungal or bacterial staining and the purple is some kind of common mineral salt but will email or talk to a friend and ask him, after the Fourth.
  4. REPLY> Thanks Jo. That is helpful. This area behind the shoreline _ is it a hill? I have enclosed this area with yellow on a photo attached and have drawn a pink line that I think follows the contour of the land. Is that a bowl shapped hill between the yellow lines? Where is Safecracking? Did he leave for some reason? Thanks, George
  5. yeah, but there are some things that just can't be answered. I think the money is going to be one of them, unless Cooper is still alive and confesses. There's just too many possibilties. I can't conceive of accumulating enough data to point to just one of them. REPLY> Well, maybe, maybe not. The route the money traveled may have left tracks still available, in the money itself. Not even Cooper can fool Mother Nature, alive or dead. Even if we all agree to agree on one theory as "best", it's just a gentleman's agreement. It won't necessarily be true. Getting a definitive statement on the cause of the black and purple staining of the money, and the length of time required in the probable sand/water environment for the bill edge decomposition, and the source of the holes...would be a HUGE step in understanding the money. But we can't even get that! REPLY> Ok. Let me see what I can do for you on that. Our flooding here brought things to a hault, but let me make a few calls after the 4th and see what I can do. I know this is important to you. I sent an email to the B.E.P. guys that analyze damaged US currency asking them to look at photos of the Cooper bills to give an opinion. They never responded. I figured they forwarded my email request to Ckret saying "hey there's this weird guy asking us to look at bills from the Cooper case, maybe it's Cooper!" :) REPLY> Have you ever worked in a lab? It's busy! I mean very busy. You get emails from everyone including the Almighty who want this and that and on and on ... now multiply that by 40 and that is what the Seattle Office of the FBI probably gets every week. So dont take it personally your email wasn't answered. I suppose we could start a self help group for victims of email avoidance? DBCEVA ? We would probably have 300 subscribers in the first week, and 2 left after the first month because we couldnt handle the email! Hope you are smiling - George
  6. Sorry I dont agree. The FBI will accept anything that can be proven and explains the facts. But, they do want solid facts that walk.
  7. You've labelled one sand area. I believe the area S of Tina Bar is also a sand accumulation area. When you zoom in you can tell it's sand that seems to have been leveled by scrapers or other earth moving equipment. (edit) there's no quarry I'm aware of. I thought all the sand is from dredging (annual) not sure what you mean. Can you mark it on the map? I used to hop trains when I was young (actually like 12 years old!) with Marty D. who always had M-80s on July 4th....whenever you see double tracks, there's the possibilty of a side switch they use to let trains pass each other on a single track. Good place to hop a ride. We always grabbed the ladder by the wheels while the train was moving. It was cheating to get on a stopped train!...The scary part was jumping off, since the trains were accelerating..Hey, not much different than a PLF now that I think of it.. If you want an injured/dead Cooper story...then hopping a train, and trying to jump off in the dark while the train is going 50 mph will probably do it. Train tracks are good to follow. I used to walk between home and another town following the tracks. No one ever saw you. Only scary part was getting stuck on a big high long wooden trestle with a train coming. There was an escape platform, but the railings were missing. Scary standing there looking down 150' with a big train going by! Yeah, spent a lot of time down by the tracks as a kid... (did you know if you get "torpedoes" off a caboose, and strap them to the track, they explode when the train runs over them as a warning signal to the train and the engineer will slow/stop he train?...oh I didn't know that either) There you go, a whole nice little theory about how Duane hopped a ride on a train that night! Like I said, we can manufacture theories left and right..it's pretty easy. _______________________________________________ REPLY> Ok. Same photo now with ??????? in blue on what looks like hill area, also added incline line, and labeled 2nd sand operation below the first. In 1971 there was less development but the tracks were there. there. I retraced the tracks and they go all over the place, Tacoma, Seattle, even Canadian border. The problem for Cooper using trains is the thugs and bums which also road the rails. Very unsafe. I wonder if the Railroads ever reported some body found that never got connected to the hijacking on or around the same date. I hate to bring this up but a sand operation is also the perfect body disposal device, should one be found. Instant fish food right down to his atoms.
  8. Snowman, I want you to look at something. First, here is the Fazio sand quarry Jo was talking about. Look at its location. It is proximate to where the money was found! Thoughts - ? Also, behind and just to the side of the crucial area at T Bar is what looks like a hill (and cement or sand piles down the incline?). And behind flanking everything at T Bar is the stream and a Railline ... which happens to run all the way back east to Vancouver Lake, then clear up as a wide open path right to Battle Ground and the whole DZ area (on revised flight path by Sluggo). My thought simply is Cooper comes down the rail line having bailed soith of Battle Ground, walks the rail line through Vancouver over to Vancouver Lake and Tina Bar .... and maybe something happens. His body gets dumped behind Tina Bar and eventually some money washes down the incline to Tina Bar ? Its a longshot. This rail line btw, goes all the ways back up to Tacoma.
  9. Jo, I have a question for you or anyone who knows Tina Bar well. ... and another special (funny) pic for you which I hope you think is funny also ... I happened on it by accident. Question is: what is this area behind Tina Bar, from directly behind the bar clear back to stream and the railroad tracks? What are these things that look like cement slabs on a hill? Sand piles? Fields? They look like hillsides? Describe the terrain behind T Bar if you will. Photos attached. Thanks Jo. George ps* and the funny photos attached - Fazio's cows! Snowmman should like that also -
  10. REPLY> When talking to the hydrologist I would include the option of a conveyance from straight behind Tina Bar as well as from the area east to Vancouver Lake, especially during a wet year if there was one. Thanks,
  11. REPLY> I do want to point out there was and still is a railroad which goes right through the Battle Gnd Orchards, Hockinson, Scotton, & Brush Prairie area which goes right down to Vancouver and straight over to Vancouver Lake and over and up right behind Tina Bar ... and continues up the Columbia. See map attached . I have marked the rail route & Tina Bar...
  12. Two more questions: i. Are you absolutely sure there is no way Cooper could have overheard cabin conversations/talk eg. turning his rear PA on, in order to know where he was based on cabin conversaations ..... after Tina went up to the cabin? ii. Which tributary are you focused on?
  13. Can I volunteer to be the "whuffo" jet jumper for a free jet jump? REPLY> Body donnations can be made to: Cztsahan Yahcz, phD MD Institute of Pathology University of Yo Momma Nome, AK 97854
  14. REPLY> You or Sluggo have to declare one or more DZ's to explore possible tributaries or routes of conveyance.
  15. I think people have a hard time accepting that it's not going to be possible to prove anything about the money find. REPLY> What people have a hard time accepting is that no forensics was done on the money or the soil and no sample kept - in a major case with International Implications! That was mashuganah even for the 70's and early 80's. Pure rank incompetence.
  16. QuoteJust an example of how natural tributaries are not the only water source. Storm drains, or even sewers can contribute. REPLY> Correct. This is why I keep using the word watershed and posted charts of the watershed .... And if Cooper had not supposedly tied the money around his waste but had been holding it by hand, I could see him losing it right on the steps as he jumped . The money gets hung up on the steps and falls slightly later over the Portland-Vacouver watershed then flows to Tina Bar later.
  17. Wondered how long it would take you to find that. All you had to do was ask Safecrack. REPLY> And Safecracking is not here.
  18. Thanks for the Vancouver Lake '96 flood photo. I've posted before about the '96 flooding effect from the Caterpillar Island/Columbia River side. Supposedly it flooded up to Lower River Rd. I was focused on Caterpillar Island being covered at that time. There are two Lower River Rds. (one closer to the Columbia, one farther). I'm not sure which one the water level rose to. (edit) I'd still like to know what other junk got dug up during the FBI dig at the Ingram site. Surely it couldn't have been "nothing else"...I'm talking litter. REPLY> All good questions. I dont have the answers. For the record, I am not even sure there were any floods in this area between '71 and 80. All I do know is there is a hydrological mechanism for delivering debris into the area of Tina Bar from the Columbia. That does not prove it happened that way. Joe is correct. Data on water levels et cetera are vital, in any event. Maybe the Fazio's cows made quick work of the money! 377 would like that... (laughing) But if the area is visited regularly then perhaps the money only arrived during high water or dredging and was buried when nobody could see it, then erosion exposes it later. Cooper? Call home!
  19. REPLY> There you have it. Two of the docs I reviewed before posting. You will notice it says: "Hydrology of Vancouver Lake ... controled by stage of the Columbia". Here is a photo of the 1996 flood at Vancouver-Portland. Another of river debris (silt) of the kind found aty T Bar. Be very clear about the dredging of Vc Lake. I know where you are already leaping to. THERE WAS NO DREDGING OF VANCOUVER LAKE IN THE 70'S that I could find. It was after (long after) Ingrams find in 80. I checked. Good luck -
  20. These are documented - the brothers who own the Fazio farm and the fisherman - all stated that the ONLY time the water had been to that level within the last yr (preceding the find) was the spring run off and the melting of the snow 2 WEEKS prior. The brothers ran their cattle on that beach for water and they said there was NO WAY that the money was on that beach for more than a few days or a couple of weeks. Farmers know their land. REPLY> I agree farmers know their land. Has Ckret talked to the Fazios to document this?
  21. I would be more interested in water levels over the previous 1-5 years. >>>>> Me too. Someone told me there was a flood in 76 but I have not been able to confirm that for some reason. Himmelsbach also referred to a "wet year" after 71 and I dont know which year he was speaking of ???
  22. Cow: ground to ground air breathing anti aircraft missile. Maybe we should have carried them in B 17s and parachuted them onto German airfields in WW 2. REPLY> Funny. My uncles and my father would love that. Damn thats funny...
  23. REPLY> No Jo, Im not on anyone's payroll. I have no financial or even deep personal interest in any of this, and never will. The money was encased in silt already present for some time at Tina Bar before any recent melt just days before the money was found. I do not believe the melt of late 1979 into 1980 can explain the money having newly arrived at that time. Attached is a photo of someone (the hydrologist?) explaining the layers of silt found at the site. The red line marks the 1974 dredging boundary. Everything below the red line is pre-1974 dredging material. Everything above the the red line is mainly 1974 dredging material, unless there was a flood which reached this high mark between 1974 and 1980 I do not know about. Yes. I have very high esteeme for Richard Tosaw. Take that to heart. I have never read Richard's book, only excerpts from it and reports about his work from different people and through the media. We have a very high regard for Richard Tosaw here. Take that to heart.
  24. The thing is that you have no way to know if the instruments were in the box when it arrived in the middle of nowhere. That box might have been in someone's garage for months after it was emptied. It might have been sitting anywhere, empty, for god knows how long before you found it. yes that's a good theory. Thinking about the distribution of probable causes, the idea that someone put an empty weather instrument box in the woods, far from a road, could make sense? Maybe they were packing their lunch in it. But I think there were some dates on the box that gave a clue to when it was sent up. So there was probably more info that I've forgotten since then. (edit) for instance, don't remember if balloon remnants were there. Now imagine the odds, if there was some Cooper money in it! or: Imagine the odds that we could actually figure out who Cooper was after 36 years! How can we calculate that! REPLY> The interesting thing about your metaphor to baloons released into air streams is: the packages are found. Mystery over.