georger

He may be correct but until he has seen the chute how can he know? All he can do is guess. Just looking at the chute, the way it lays etc, does it look more like nylon or silk? Personally I dont care which is correct. Several articles say the FBI got experts to examine the chute beyond anything Cossey said or did ... it wouldnt take an expert (or even a good novice) 2 seconds to know if its silk or nylon ...

You are right, but that was a dry, preserved archeological find, not a parachute hastily buried in the wet, soggy ground of Washington State. They find reletively intact mummy wraps in Egypt sometimes. Silk is on the same plane as cotton and wool. If you bury a wool shirt or a pair of jeans a couple of feet under the ground up here, they fall to pieces within a few months. Glad you are familiar with the find. But the area of China in question is not Egypt or is my geography wrong? So, fibrous proteins, keratinised proteins, and pure glucose ploymeric cellulose ... all decay at the same rate in wet cold of Washington? Wool comes from a mamal. Silk comes from a worm. Cotton comes from a plant. Silk has far greater strength than steel, atomically, correct? A strand of silk 1 inch thick could raise a 727 (wiki says). Would you care to revise your claims about silk? As far as silk being on the same plane with wool and cotton, well ... my Physics Handbook says otherwise. The contention is factually absurd.

The obvious question is: If this Amboy chute is supposedly silk and was biodegradable, how did it stand up to being buried for 37 years without falling to pieces or at least exhibiting some serious damage? Silk has been unearthed in the Qianshanyang Village of Huzhou in Zhejiang (China) and has been estimated to have been produced 4700 years ago.

One wonders what you hope to accomplish here with this? Have you talked to the FBI and/or Cossey? The forensic distinction between silk and nylon (used in parachutes) is as simple as falling off a bar seat. Silk is a natural nonuniform fibre. Nylon is an artificial uniformly drawn fibre with a distinct chemical signature. Very simple tests can tell the two apart.

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L'shanah tovah. G.

smiling ... cant help it. Good job!!!

That is neat! Thanks for the post ...

As for fingerprints - there were 58 laten prints on the aft stairs and entry, they thought might have been there since the plane was built. Most assuredly Cooper put on gloves as soon as he readied the chutes - might be why he had a problem opening the stairway...other than maybe he had never actually opened one before. Hey Jo! Psssssst... Go Here > > V Ckret Jun 3, 2008, 2:30 PM Post #2009 of 18267 (4956 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 522 Re: [freeflynick] Theory: Cooper didn't jump in the deep woods [In reply to] Can't Post ________________________________________ I did not compare any prints, our lab did, and found that Webers prints did not match any recovered from the plane. Ckret. and that includes any pieces of prints or partials, or any biological materials either that matched Weber, recovered from the plane. Jo Weber> Most assuredly Cooper put on gloves as soon as he readied the chutes - Nobody including Hancock and Mucklow ever saw Cooper wearing any gloves, during the period when was examining the chutes and money, when he was putting on the chute, or at any other time. I have no idea where you get "most assuredly". *It is a foregone conclusion you will never accept any of this. You never did before. You wont now. You have your own theory of the DB Cooper case which is in constant revision, but it is nice to detach from your pronouncements to the world from time to time, and revisit the living facts of the Cooper case. Georger

Of course they did and the PI Transcript reflects that, imho. Moreover, Rat would only say that IF he already knew that information was knowable from other evidence already made public. Rataczak is a pilot. Pilots know how to fly in almost perfect circles while hovering for a landing someday ... on his own terms. Does anyone seriously think pilot Rataczak is going to talk seriously to any non-authorised source? Rat lives in the real world.

Cold fusion comes to mind. Man, for a few days it looked like we'd be awash in cheap non polluting energy, and then the nagging issues of adequate controls, accurate net energy measurements and "where is the helium?" reared their ugly heads. Whats really a hoot is the lingering fringe that doggedly pursues the flawed work of Pons and Fleischman claiming that cold fusion did and still does work and (of course) that a massive conspiracy is covering it up. What says "Mr Atomic" Sluggo about this cold fusion stuff? Remember all the "death woods" posts and Jerry's claim that Cooper didn't and Snowmman wouldnt survive a winter night in the predicted LZ? Snowmman raises a good point about the Corsair pilot who in December of 45 jumped in this area and walked out with no big problems. "Death woods? Not for him. 377 Hmmm. Doesnt a death-woods require a woods? Had Cooper had his way he would have landed in the suburbs of Seattle maybe out near Tacoma? (In Emma's back yard!). A huge search of that area was conducted based soley on that premise. Cooper's plan went up in smoke, it appears, when Cooper could not get the stairs down soon enough, so his agenda changed and by approx 8:10 he's offering free money to Tina saying "I dont want it!", with emphasis on the word DONT!. He made Tina go forward so she wouldnt observe what he had to do next. Realty was creeping up on him and he knew the BS would stop at the door ... our socalled hero suddenly becomes mortal. He left a memento of his existence along with other evidence which was found when the plane landed at Reno. That is where the facts lead. Go back to the transcript and check the number of times Cooper had to revise (or come up with) a plan just to get to 8:12pm pst.

QuoteConsidering how easily some 'research' can go down a rat hole with a smattering of unsourced information, how was the initial search conducted? No one observed Cooper jump - CHECK. MAY HAVE TO UNCHECK ... Chase planes observed nothing - CHECK. UNCHECK ... Money and placard recovered - CHECK. There is no way to know if the several bundles offered to Tina wound up in the money found at Tina Bar, however the money found at T-Bar was far in excess of what Cooper offered to Tina. Pressure bump reported north of Portland - CHECK. MAYBE... Absolutely no other information available - CHECK. UNCHECK. All subject to my opinion, of courrse. G

I have no problem with that, whatever, Robert. I laughed too, in fact a very knowing laugh. The kind of laugh that keeps people up at night scribbling notes to one's self and others, for immediate reference the next day. I think I can say Tom laughs also, in the same way. Tom is free to correct me if I am wrong. So your comment however it was meant is perfectly appropriate, at least in my mind, and a real lesson in what to do better, next time. Thanks. G.

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Priceless ...

Did you know: Clyde Snufford.

How do you know what his motive was? Sounds like he could have made a lot more doing his regular gig, manuscript editing, than he did working on the Cooper book. Anyone who thinks they will make serious money off Cooper is a fool and Blevins is not a fool. You could make a lot more money writing trash about Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton. I agree about the Amboy chute stamp being a mfr date. I've seen hundreds of surplus canopies ranging from WW 2 vintage through the 60s and the only date stamp I've seen on the fabric is the mfr date, NEVER a repack date. 377 found this also - "Posted by Whistle Berries at 4/1/08 5:16 p.m. http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/archives/135556.asp " Hmmm... More than likely, that parachute found near Amboy was one used by Clyde Snufford. He was a U.S. Army Viet Nam veteran who lost one leg below the knee, after he stepped on a bamboo spike and the wound became infected, back in 1968. An avid parachuting enthusiast, he participated in many jumps. That last one, when he had the rough landing, he broke his good left leg in three places, and had to crawl about a mile and a half to get to some help. Of course, he left the parachute behind, and after a few weeks of medical treatment and recovery, he thought that it was not worth the effort to go find it. Clyde moved to Chicota, Texas about 20 years ago, and I've since lost track of him." --------------- There is also a long post by Blevins on the same Seattle PI blog (url above) for those who wish to find and read it. There is a photo of the father and children at the find site that used to be on the net - did anyone save it? The following url supposedly shows the find location although the location is not marked - follow the Google map link: http://www.wheredidithappen.com/recent_additions.php?pageNum_get_currentevent=3&totalRows_get_currentevent=86

How do you know what his motive was? Sounds like he could have made a lot more doing his regular gig, manuscript editing, than he did working on the Cooper book. Anyone who thinks they will make serious money off Cooper is a fool and Blevins is not a fool. You could make a lot more money writing trash about Lindsey Lohan or Paris Hilton. I agree about the Amboy chute stamp being a mfr date. I've seen hundreds of surplus canopies ranging from WW 2 vintage through the 60s and the only date stamp I've seen on the fabric is the mfr date, NEVER a repack date. 377 Take yer choice - accounts of the chute finding: The parachute was unearthed in a field that was being plowed by the property owner and was found by the man’s children while they were playing. The children pulled the cloth until the chute’s shroud lines appeared and their father recognized it as a parachute. Kirotv Children playing outside their home near Amboy found the chute's fabric sticking up from the ground in an area where their father had been grading a road, agent Larry Carr said. They pulled it out as far as they could, then cut the parachute's ropes with scissors. Assoc Press He may have landed around Amboy, not 30 miles from Portland. That's the same area where children playing outside their home recently found fabric sticking up from the ground where their father had been grading a road, FBI agent Larry Carr said Tuesday.The children, responding to a publicity campaign, urged their father to call the FBI, Carr said, and when their find became public this week, it reignited talk of the region's favorite folk hero. FOX NEWS FBI agent Laura Laughlin said Tuesday that the agency came to its conclusion after speaking with parachute experts. It also dug where children found the parachute early last month. USA TODAY The parachute -- similar to the one Cooper jumped with -- was unearthed earlier this month after a Clark County man plowed part of the rural property he's owned for nearly a decade, said Larry Carr, the lead agent on the Cooper case. The man's children found the parachute when they were playing and Carr, who is based in Seattle, retrieved it from southwest Washington. Seattle PI Cooper may have landed around Amboy, less than 30 miles from Portland, the same area where children playing outside their home recently found fabric sticking out of the ground where their father had been grading a road, FBI agent Larry Carr said. News.Scotsman.com Children playing outside their home in Amboy, Wash., found the chute sticking up from the ground. Having seen recent media coverage of the case when the FBI launched publicity efforts last fall, they urged their father to call the authorities. National.ABC.NEWS I live at Amboy and the FBI in Seattle is looking for local experts to step forward to help analyze a parachute unearthed in a field. Is it a Navy Backpack-6? Perhaps the very one used in 1971 by infamous skyjacker D.B. Cooper? It was recently dug up by the landowner's kids near Amboy, when the road to the field was being improved. Blogger KING Larry Carr, the FBI special agent who reopened the case in January, said the children saw the partially-exposed parachute in an area where their father had been repairing a road. Telegraph.co.uk An investigator with the FBI says the parachute was found in an agricultural field by some kids, it appeared to have been buried. The parachute Cooper used in 1971 was white, so is the one that the Washington kids found. The FBI agent believes it probably is Cooper's 'chute, or it is a strong coincidence. The Associated Press reports that the farm field is in Cooper's most probable landing zone, between Green and Bald mountains near Amboy. Salem-News.com The discoverers of the chute and its exact location are undisclosed, although theories here favor a number of backroads in the steep, heavily wooded hills where moss-draped trees are of almost rain-forest density. But some ask how the chute came to be buried if Cooper didn't live to bury it. Or if it isn't Cooper's, they ask, whose is it? Retired FBI agent Ralph Himmelsbach of Woodburn, Ore., who worked the case for years, said yesterday that he doubts the remnant is from Cooper's parachute. JB Frazier Associated Press 3-27-08 FBI agent Larry Carr said that earlier this month, children playing outside their home near the town of Amboy in Oregon state recently found fabric sticking up from the ground where their father had been grading a road. Sydney Morning Harold, UPI

Don't go yet. Was your above response to my post or someone else's? It seems to me we are both saying the same thing. I know I should have stayed away from this thread. Yep, too many things and agendae going on here all at the same time ... You said, "I question the knowledge of Hanson and historian Laramie." They seem to only add to the confusion. Councilman says The only reason for a canopy to be buried is to conceaL it. Nothing gets buried unless to conceal, especially a parachute. The chute was found near a field or a road? Things get buried all the time here in rural areas near fields and roads.. in the 50s that used to be the rule rather than an exception including historically important artifacts.. but that cannot apply here since this is the Cooper case. Nothing is as it appears in the Cooperphelia. Take care you might get sued for joining in when they sing "their" pledge of allegiance to buried parachuites.

Georger,why are you so insulting? I have stated before I know nothing about chutes or jumping. All I did was ask a simple question for clarification since I did not understand what was being said. At least Guru understood what I was trying to enquire about and addressed the situtation without insulting me or making snide demeaning remarks. Guru is a jumper and you Georger are not. "The Devil Made Me Do IT." (Jo Weber).

Taking the above literally is questionable and confusing. I question the knowledge of Hanson and historian Laramie. Unless protocol was different in 1946 than it is now--which I doubt was the case--packing dates and repacking dates are not stamped on a parachute they are written in a packing data record card which is placed in a "pocket" of the container the rig is packed in. The only date I ever recall seeing stamped onto a canopy is the manufacturing date. All packing and maintenance data is on the packing data card. I defer to any Master Rigger who can correct my thoughts on this since I have only a Senior rating. It seems strange to me also. In fact very strange, but what do I know! I know nothing of these matters. My first layman's thought was that it looked like some chute purchased at a surplus store and the store or somebody had stamped the cute with a date 'for inventory', in a pile of chutes being sorted prior to distribution and sale? There is something fishy about the whole thing, but I am willing to bet the answer is a simple one whatever it is? It's just one more example of something that should be simple not being simple, in this case! So, the people from Venus did it! Or this is another in a long line of signs of conspiracy, on the Govt or Satin's part, with xrays being beamed on Florida also! And only some inconspicuous realtor from New Mexico can dig the truth out, through her spy network .... using Snmowmmaannn. Maybe the chute was stolen from a mummy museum by Sylvester Stalonne, except the numbers are modern English and not ancient Coptic? SYLVESTER! PLEASE DONT SUE ME! This case is full of this shite.

And NOT in 1945. Uh, nobody is saying it was Walling's chute! Uh, go back and read it . Dont get swept up in Jo Weber's colored letters phantom abyss! All anyone EVER SAID WAS THAT THE CHUTE - MIGHT BE - one left by Walling, but that it definately was NOT one of Cossey's chutes given to Cooper. Period. Go back and read: http://www.seattlepi.com/local/357259_parachute02.html Does it not say: "The date stamped on the found parachute -- Feb. 21, 1946 -- is the repacking date, not the packing date, Hanson said. Local military historian John "Cye" Laramie said last week that date was the only thing questionable about linking it to Walling's crash" FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said it's "definitely possible" Walling's chute is the one they have, but the bureau does not plan to further investigate it. "We never did find Walling's chute," said Hanson. "It just was left out there in the same place they found what they thought was Cooper's parachute. That's why when I heard about all this, I was sure it wasn't Cooper's." And another quote: "It might be Wallings but there is no assurance of that. But it definately is not one of the chutes Earl Cossey gave in the Cooper skyjacking. That is an absolute certainty." There is more on the internet should you wish to spend the time in a chair pressing buttons and reading ? So nobody is saying the chute belonged to Walling and nobody in any article I have read has mentioned Jo Weber as an authority about anything! And, people acknowledge there is a problem about the dates ... etc. There are some things in life you can take for granted if you have the skill to hold noodles on a fork? Eating noodles should not be an ocassion for rampant paranoia, unless you are trying to eat noodles through the bunghole in a barrel?