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not sure what Im going to do on Field Day, probably family things going on but will look for you if I can. I thot about trying something from Pal-Dows Observatory but we have a brand new grandson which takes priority. Sometime this year I want to get the guys to run an op from Dows with a CAA or Rockwell card for it - will let you know. We have talked for years about this but never got down to it - later ...

Keep your opinions to yourself! I got busy and didnt call last night ... still digging thru old files but am going to break starting right now ...

I TAKE THAT PERSONALLY!

I need to explain how this ended up on a separate thread. My intentions were to post to the D. B. Cooper thread but ended up creating a new thread. I confessed to Quade and he locked the new thread. There are a number of posts prior to and related to my last post on the now locked thread. And further related posts will be forthcoming. Sluggo is now on the case and things should start being clarified shortly, maybe today. So stay tuned. Robert Nicholson I am very pleased with what you have done here - I'm going to wait before I say more, but I think what you have done is important. Do you know what Bohan's Continental flight number was and its path? Why are you discounting Bohan's report at PDX, if you are discounting that? Good work!

If you see this first tried you mid day and tonight so you have a call waiting ... all good news here which I left ... talk to you soon. Happy Father's Day.

I will scan the Parachutist articles, pt 1 and 2. Should be able to get it done next week. Nothing new in the articles, even a few possible minor factual errors, but good reading and really great graphics. As for Georger's Q about if Cooper died on the jump why no body was found I'd guess a river impact with a packed chute might possibly explain it. 377 Thanks., Good answer!

By the same token how could he have been dead without something being notivced? Did a copy of the Parachutist Magazine articles ever make their way to Sluggo? I never received anything?

I have always been curious. Was there ever a program to train chimpanzees to parachute? The NASA Mercury program talked about doing that but not sure if they went that far ... The guy that ran part of that program was affectionately known as 'SS'. He hated that nickname ... I knew him very well after he retired. He was interested in the Cooper case. Maybe that is the jump training Jo claims Duane had?

You've been had ...

Indeed, Bruce, and if it had come up with a result that slotted with Jo's theory she would be showering you with praise. You need to take the criticism in the context from where it comes. Orange I did not single anyone person out - reply] Well, you have been singling me out-a-plenty. Calling me Genius Boy, Jackass, etc ...

Georger - Jackasses don't M000oooooo! Or do they? HEE HAW! Was that you or me? Get mental help soon. MODERATOR! ??????????????????????????

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Excuse me Georger - remember I have Dumb Blonde Sydrome - what the Hell does quatrains mean. Nostradumus wrote in quatrains. The meanings of his stanzas totally obscure - could mean anything. Did Duane know Hisler three lakes new when the great green whale rode Pericles over the purple hill near the red mountain on a night when Venus talks with carrots? That is how your case info reads!

speaking in quatrains always helps build a case?

His reads like poetry. A real delight.

Bruce, how did you link up wth Marianne and become aware of her story? good synopsis, thanks. If you can, ask her about the reception doubts brought up here. Not sure how you smoothe into that without offending her, but hope you can come up with something. Tell her we need corroboration, others that could be interviewed to compared notes, ... how they could hear the plane so far away on a very high frequency which doesnt travel too far! You get the drift... BTW: you have my permission to look into the names I gave you privately, any time its convenient. Dont expect any quick results there - you know the work I already put into that with nothing back to date. Later this month I hope to turn back to that when I can concentrate on it and make a few personal visits with old folks etc. I will keep you informed of any progress - pse do the same. Good luck & thanks.

against the above idea is my own belief that the money didn't come from more than a few hundred feet down stream and probably not more than a couple of miles upstream at the absolute most. And that NW Lower River Road, which is built on top of a levee, is a definite obstacle to any land or water movement of the money from the east. Are there any gravel pits or areas at Tena Bar? Robert There is the Fazio sand-gravel? operation immediately behind Tina Bar. Not sure the date it started, but I do know dates specific parts of the operation were opened/began which concerning specific product production - The money has been tested twice for any mineral (or elemental) content which would link to a specific geological area or site ... so far the only association found is rounded nonsharp sand types associated with water emersion in the Columbia silts in general ... Nothing linking this money to the Fazio sand operation.

Im just waiting for more facts. Its not a tussle of wills, on my part. Short of the report being a fabrication I tend to think she and they were listening to something; but what. It may not have been 305 at all. We may never get more facts.

Marianne says that she knew about the hijacking while she was riding the school bus home. That would have been about 2:30 pm. I'll double-check with M. and my notes. Bruce, how did you link up wth Marianne and become aware of her story?

Someone could conduct the experiment at Shady Acres.

Before we flog VHF propagation physics, lets look at some basics. In 1971 most non pro VHF receivers had very crude analog tuning and most hobbyist scanners were crystal controlled (a switch selected between several fixed frequencies). M claims she made a phone call to get the SEATAC tower freq then "tuned in." Not as simple as it sounds for a 14 yr old with less than state of the art 1971 VHF receiving gear. She couldn't just enter the freq on a keypad like you can these days. Hunting for an intermittent signal using inaccurate analog tuning isn't always productive. Not impossible, but not a cinch. My experience is that roughly 1.2 times the square root of antenna height in feet gives a pretty good prediction of the radio horizon in miles. Sure there are anomalies due to reflection, ducting etc, but they rarely make a huge difference. 377 Lets say she was on the fringe of reception. Im still bothered by the detailed report of a 14 year old. Why do I get the sense her report is too detailed, almost like a response composed to respond to something? She's addressessing the flight path issues of course .. without even being asked. She says others were involved: "Marianne doesn’t fully remember if she was still listening when 305 took off from Sea-Tac at 7:30, or when Cooper jumped in the 8:10-8:30 time frame. She thinks she was, but she was also eating dinner with her family, listening to family discussion about Cooper and their speculations on what was happening and what was going to happen. " There is a ring of truth to her story?

Oh no!

Can you clarify what frequency(ies) we are talking about. ?

With HF its bending (refraction); with VHF (shorter wavelengths) its reflection. Your moonbounce example is a case in point but, you are entirely right we didnt mention power. With more power at VHF freqs it can be scintillation-relfection.

You havent muddled anything - only added valuable input! Dont be surprised if 377 changes some of this. He has a lot better handle on vhf propogation than I do, and he may say reflectivty was a weak contributor. We also dont know her antenna type and height, the kind of bldg she was in ... etc. Im rather anxious for 377 to add his thoughts, or anyone else also. I tend to think she/they heard something. She was only 14. Maybe adults were there inturpreting making comments she remembers. Im glad I dragged this out of the files, following the Janet report. There may be a few other reports like this down the road if my works goes well next week. I have been so busy I havent had time to make calls and Jerry is waiting on me to make those calls - sorry Jerry. I will get this done soon.