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Robert replies: In case you haven't noticed lately, one of the reasons the percentages of 'who posts' are higher is because less people are participating. And you are wrong about my contributions to this thread, although like everyone else around here, I have occasionally gone off topic. What have I contributed? Well...I'm the first one around here who got an outside (non-media) interview with Marla Cooper, for example. It was published both here at DZ and at Newsvine. Made a reasonably nice video on last year's Ariel celebration. One which YOU participated in heavily. I researched out more than thirty articles from media sources and quoted from many of them to demonstrate the FBI's flaws in handling the investigation on the chute found in Amboy. I spent six months correcting small errors and contacting people (for final verification of their testimony) to create the report we sent the Seattle FBI on Kenny Christiansen. This included the scanning and blowing up of more than sixteen separate images and documents, most of which have been seen here. Then I released a public version of the report on our website, on Dropzone, as well as Facebook and Twitter. Amazingly, almost nobody asked specific questions about points it made. They simply dismissed it, mostly with poor manners. But that was only on this thread. I get emails with questions on it all the time. I did heavy research on one Bernard Wayne Geestman, proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he has repeatedly lied about his friendship with Kenny Christiansen, as well as involvement in Christiansen's post-hijacking-date finances. I continue to make the book available free for the Amazon Kindle from time to time, mostly in a hope that someone, somewhere will know something and come forward. Not to somehow 'prove' KC was Cooper, but to find out the full truth about him one way or another. Or...to familiarize them with the case on the chance they will know something important that might help solve the case. To date, I have allowed more than 6,000 free copies to go out. If I were being paid for those copies, it would total more than $12,000. I also declined the $2,500 from History Channel and another $1,000 from Comcast Sports via Adrenaline Hunter. This proves without a doubt that my interest in the case is NOT about greed, or money, but the truth. One thing I have NOT done: Claimed that I was absolutely sure KC was the hijacker. I just presented the available evidence, which was basically ignored on this thread even though I provided contact information on most of the witnesses. I did a three-part article (illustrated) on Cooperland in general. And even though some people here resented a few of the implications presented in that article, I saw it as the truth. Those are just some of the contributions that you offhandedly call 'irrelevant, outlandish, and ridiculous in premise and conclusion...'. Google Analytics tells me that many people view this thread as a result of clicking on a link at our website, or from articles I've done where this thread is linked into the article. Most probably don't want to discuss the case, but just see what's being said. When they see insults and fighting, they probably go elsewhere. In reality, I draw a lot of people to this thread, at least to read it. Meanwhile...(back at the ranch)...every time I posted up anything, no matter how Cooper-related, both you (to a smaller extent) and Georger (really BIG extent) busied yourselves with insult-laden responses while mostly ignoring the issues. Before you try to dodge that one, go back and examine Georger's last fifty replies to anything I have posted that is Cooper-related. It is not I who has driven people away (possible exception of Marla Cooper) but you and Georger. In fact, it was only a week or so before when Georger went so far over the top that he spoke of taking a self-imposed vacation. Few people here believe in working together toward a common goal, i.e the truth regarding Cooper. These folks have personal issues against other posters that really have nothing to do with the Cooper case. Some think they are smarter than everyone else, or that everyone else except themselves is dumb. I never assume this about people. In fact, even when Georger has been at his worst, when he makes a good point I say so. Not only that, but occasionally I post that he's made excellent contributions to the case, even when he insults me. I also try not to respond with insults, although I have occasionally failed on this one. But I do try. No one here is better than anyone else. Everyone has a right to post as long as they obey forum rules. I don't make the rules. I don't own the website. I try to bring up KC only when I feel it is necessary, or someone asks a question. I am not afraid to state my opinion on a theory. Like BK, for example. Frankly, I think he needs help and I don't believe a single word of his story. Not one word. No one person is to blame for the existence of any problems, or any drop in traffic to the thread. That responsibility must be shared by anyone who has put personalities and emotional issues before the study of the case. There is no single 'scapegoat' here. It was a community effort all the way. ________________________________________________ I rest my case.............. MeyerLouie Yes. When I read this contrivance of his above I thought: "somebody has a screw lose! is there any doubt we have been dealing with a 2nd Jo Weber?' The deadly duo - Blevins & Weber. The Cooper Curse in full bloom. Geoff Gray was right! Earth as we knew it has been destroyed.

LEVA ENME OUT OF YOUR "SHIT"! Your attacks on people and reason began two weeks after you landed here at Dropzone and that was now years ago. Your first attack was upon Sluggo ... and you are still at it as per your b.s. above. You've cleared the thread. What more do you want? A Gold Medal from 377 and Quade? GFY. *Im just glad SA Larry Carr wasn't here to go through your Inquisition! You would have had him out of here in three days! You own Dropzone and you're welcome to it. Good luck Robert M "King Kong" Blevins. ps: Hey Blevins! Pull your head out of your ass and turn on the TV ? Breaking news in Boston in case you 5th Wave Revolutionaries don;t know! Fodder for more RMB articles here and at Newsvine. Wage Earner Sheeple depend on you!

Found a picture. I don't know...blonde hair? 377 originally posted yours above - got this from (Snowmman?) and introduced it Nov 8, 2010, 11:34 AM - Post #19287 of 42402. Discussion followed to the end of November 2010. Just search on /Norton Thomas/. Most significant post was Hangdiver's printed below: hangdiver Nov 22, 2010, 7:33 AM Post #19661 of 42402 (1515 views) Posts: 368 Re: [skyjack71] Norton Thomas as DBC? [In reply to] Quote | Reply Quote ________________________________________ Could this be the NEW Cooper Suspect? Was he related or connected to the Mr. T I have mentioned for yrs? One I was told to "beware of" because he was VERY dangerous. ________________________________________ Well I never knew "Norton" personally but I do know a couple of stories. First...he wasn't jumping in 1971 as far as I know Second...I was told before Perry Stevens would give him the FJC he had to lose about 100 lbs. Which he did. Third...his name wasn't "Norton", he was a Hells Angel and the only one who road a Norton motorcycle. You may guess why his nickname was "Norton". HERE is a story that mentions him in about 1977 jumping in Antioch, Ca. Fourth...I was told these stories by "Crazy Jack" and that is a whole other story. http://www.bushwings.com/texts/alaska.html

Yup, especially fed stuff. They came down very hard on defendants who stole and forged sigs on SS checks. 377 Who cares!? Duane Weber was Duane Weber and not DB Cooper. Got anything on therapy for Cooper wacko obsessive- compulsives or Jewish viking wannebes? Quite obviously you have found a replacement for Snowmman and can go off on polarity tangents into the Maldum Fornax. Newcomers should flock to this!

You know that's pretty creepy, right? Going around researching other threads I started at Dropzone that aren't even ON the Cooper thread, in some twisted effort to make me 'look bad'. A bit creepy, yes. And since when it is wrong to post that stuff over at Speakers Corner? I think someone told me that's WHERE THEY GO. I agree. Its creepy and crazy alright. Blevins- creepy and Blevins-crazy. Since its your posts HERE and Google that send anyone to Speaker's Corner where you've been posting- yes? Why, did you think you were hiding, from yourself? Now that is funny. I guess you are CAUGHT by yourself Nobody, has to do anything! to make you look bad. You do that all on your own.

Then its apparent to me you want Blevins' off topic crap here but you also want DB Cooper discussion? Never mind compatibility? Or maybe it is me missing the point! Maybe the two are compatible just as Jo's crap is compatible. If I ever had anything to offer here at DZ its long gone. This is the last place on Earth I would post it! Blevins wins and some us will go elsewhere. Simple as that. BYE! Nothing has been the same since Ckret left and that was a long time ago. Good luck with your Blevins & Weber Thread!

Give me a break...costs us money and time to do that for the festival, including all the yearly committee meetings I attend after work. We donate everything free, including all the free refreshments and non-AB books for Community Book Swap. Nobody makes a cent. I don't sell books or have a display, except a few years ago when I did a DB Cooper display. Mostly I posted that as a courtesy for readers of this thread who might live in the Puget Sound area. 99% of attendees will come either from Auburn, or NWSFS. How are Us's other threads you've started here at DZ, going? Recent Threads Started See All With Replies North Korea Declares War on South Korea 41 With Replies Ireland NEUTRAL During World War 2? Yes. 2 With Replies Who Said THIS? 32 No Replies Who Said THIS? 0 With Replies Mars Science Lab Rover Finds This. What IS ... 29

I think I like this psychic stuff, Blevins. Tell you what -- I'll have my psychic call your psychic and we'll do lunch -- on me. What do you say? MeyerLouie Now that IS funny! Could invite Jo's psychic(s) also.

Make a video of you and JT together. Who will kill who first! I feel a rendezvous with a cliff coming on... JT! Update your insurance!

you were asked to help, not run it. I don't recall Jerry explaining any details of the search, only where. did Meyer, George and Bruce jump on and start running it? Bill Rat, should not be contacted by anyone right now....... Funny! Can you imagine having that guy in a class? He would probably sue the school district on the basis of - Bad Manners!

Manners obviously aren't your strong suit, are they? The Cooper case isn't my only interest, either. Not nice. Auburn Days, Saturday August 10th at the Auburn Avenue theater I will be showing the following films: Soylent Green, Journey to the Far Side of the Sun, Them, and Robinson Crusoe on Mars - Criterion Edition. Sci-Fi Saturday on the marquee. Gayla passes out the free refreshments all day and admission costs nothing. The Northwest Science Fiction Society is backing the event, and has notified all their members by email. I'm a member, although I haven't updated my card for a while. But I do show up to stuff bags for the convention each year. Stop your whining and come have some fun in August. Or in July if you want to do the camping trip.

Possible. You lucked out. Didn't understand the chart at all, but this dumb broad will try to understand anything or any one if it helps be it a yea nor nay to unravel they past and confession of Duane. It was a chart showing the water level for when you say Duane threw the article into the Columbia ...

Thats Smokin99's old finding - was a great find. I seriously doubt Duane would have fit in with "any" organised activity to do anything - military or otherwise. He was a loner and an opportunist who learned in prison how to manage risk. Wound up in insurance/realty as many of these types do. Congenital medical issues finally got him. A sad case just as Jo has always described. But no risk taker like Cooper. (Jo has tried to "sell" it otherwise.)

I wasn't talking about now or 1990, before 1996, nobody knew Duane Weber. it doesn't make sense to plant the money in order to throw the law off the track. they were never on a track to Cooper at anytime? Not to mention looking for Cooper in the Vancouver area! And the even far more remote abstraction of burying!!! money at Tena Bar, way off the track! It's asinine on its face. Duane might as well have stuffed Cooper bills up one of Faxio's cows asses in hopes it would come out in the milk served in the vending machines in the Federal Building. It's laughable. Crazy! Now I suppose you will introduce: Duane the Dairyman ? Jo there are real tales in the Cooper saga. Your tall tales and fabrications don't happen to be one. You have managed to accumulate a certain knowledge of the Cooper case, for some reason. But your Duane Fable is a pure concoction you can't even remember or keep track of in spite of day-to-day repetitions you struggle through. Even Elvis and the Beatles got old! Your Duane tales are pre-historic and a source of humor! Prior to Blevins and Kaye you had never-ever talked about Duane making a "plant"! I want to hear about Duane-the-dairyman! Its all good humor and we thank you for it, daily. It keep people coming to the thread to see whats next on: "As Jo Weber Turns". The longest running soap opera in the Cooperphelia. You deserve an Emmy! Geoff Gray really didn't give you full credit! You have the longest running Cooper Comic in the whole saga. Fully deserving of an Emmy or something - Nobody else has even come close! I applaud your chutzpah. Three Cheers for Jo! Even the FBI and SA Larry Carr gave you credit!

We determined it was the last wk of Sept or the 1st wk of Oct 1979. . Possible. You lucked out.

I am completely surprised and actual put off by your statement above. U have NO idea what the UPPER ACTIVE LAYER is means! NOT one IOTA! It can be several inches - every took a walk on the beach - when a person makes a mark with their feet in the sand (I do not mean the impressions at the waterline in wet sand) or builda mound with their toy shovel and bucket - THINK! So you are disputing the Palmer report? Jo take off your tinfoil hat!

So, he went "done to the beach at Tina Bar" and threw a paper bag off at the Red Lion Inn both. What date in 1979? What month and day in 1979?

Blevins, Just last week, you said you said you agreed with Tom Kaye's conclusion that if the money went into the river, ANY river, it would sink to the bottom and probably never be seen again. But you really don't believe Tom Kaye's conclusions do you? Otherwise, you would not continue to claim that the money came down the Columbia from Portland, which is about 10 miles away, as a possibility. Eliminate the river wash down theory, and you only have the flight path being wrong or that the money was a "plant". You seem to be the leading advocate for the "plant" theory. You also seem to be the leading advocate for "The OFFICAL flight path map is correct". To be wrong on all three of your above claims really requires some effort on your part. Robert99 The money at Tina's Bar meets none of the requirements of a "plant", not even remotely. Or even a 'burial' per se. It would make more sense that the money was part of a "burial" someone did, for later retrieval. Then whoever buried the money just failed to show up before the money moved and/or had rotted away in the main. When Ingram found the money in 1980 it was for the most part out in the open; no real markers (trees etc) close by. In fact the money was so 'out in the open', relatively speaking at the time, resting at or near the tide line, that the Fazios thought it had arrived with the last tide just days before. Palmer proved that wrong. Tom says Palmer misread the strata. I find that difficult to believe and Tom has not offered any independent proof that demonstrates Palmer screwed up to that degree. Until proof is presented I cannot buy into that idea even if Tom turns out correct. Proof is required no matter who it is saying Palmer was wrong! Tom has credentials or he never would have been selected to be on the 'science team' in the first place. The issue is not Tom or Tom's credentials. The issue is independent proof that Palmer may have been wrong, if he was. Or, that Palmer was correct if in fact he was. Matters of this kind require independent corroboration, in any event. Unless my facts are wrong, the Ingram find is fairly high up on the shoreline, not at the water's edge as some have alleged. Either the money washed in from above or behind down the slope of the shoreline, or it washed in relatively high during a high water event or a series of such events, or it is downstream residue from the dredging spoils placed 50-100 yards further up the shoreline and spread in 1974. Palmer's report is very specific! It says: 'the money was found in the upper active layer of the beach sand'. The Upper Active Layer being worked' And it was eroding out naturally when Ingram saw it as a hump just below the surface, and dug it out. The only real issue is whether Palmer correctly identified the 1974 dredging layer below the Ingram find. If Tom is correct and Palmer misread the layer below Ingram's find, is it possible that Ingram's find was in the last remnant of dredging spoil mixed with more current sand, downstream of the original dredge deposit? Recall that the original dredging deposit was spread and the top layers moved by erosion and small high water events (downstream). The Ingram find is just downstream of the 1974 dredge deposit spread zone. Palmer thought the Ingram find arrived no more than a year before, during the flood event (1979) ending the worst drought in 40 years in 1878. His time is based on his reading of the strata below the Ingram find. Strata equals time, in this matter. If Palmer misread the strata and the Cooper money was in a mix of the upper active layer mixed in with remnants of the 1974 dredge residue sand, then it is possible the Cooper money was part of the 1974 dredging material or even an earlier material. Location and strata matters in this issue.

And by the way...I WAS talking about Tena Bar until Georger jumped in with his usual Blevins Ranting foo-fo-rah. Foo Fo Rah ? I thought we were having a semi-pleasant discussion, for a change. You shape shift faster than Superman puts on his cape! My question was simple and you still avoid it! Why would somebody plant money in an out-of- the-way place on an out-of-the-way sandbar, in a place that floods all the time and and is not conducive to having a plant found ... It's pretty clear to me you are frustrated and never going to solve this. In addition you waste everyone's elses' time and thwart them here, with all of your personal b.s.. You're fired!

The biggest mystery of all about it is how more than one bundle of the cash ended up in the same exact spot with nothing else found. That is tough to explain. I hesitate to offer any other possibilities on it because those possibilities might be slanted because of the evidence against Kenny Christiansen. This means my personal opinions on it should be sidelined instead for just venturing possibilities...not trying to draw conclusions about it. It would not be objective, since I can't prove KC was the hijacker anyway. The T_Bar money has nothing to do with KC. I agree. More than one bundle speaks to a process by which bundles remain associated, since they were associated in the bag on the plane. Now find the process. The FBI thinks it did!

How the heck should I know? I said that hasn't been proven. I only pointed out that the official flight map shows 305 no closer than five nautical miles from the Columbia River before it reached Portland and crossed OVER the Columbia. See attached map. (also a rerun) LOL as if I have all the answers to the Tena Bar money. No one does. I already listed some of the possibilities, but I never drew a conclusion on them. Not enough evidence, not enough information. Rerun: Flight map is wrong. Or Cooper went into the Columbia over Portland and money bag ended up at Tena Bar. Or plant. Take your pick. You'll have to prove one of those scenarios, of course, should you select one of them. The lumber and other debris at Tina's Bar does not require a flight path to explain! Can you pry your head off flight paths long enough think about the stuff on Tina's Bar for its own sake? You act like the two are inseparable! Our galaxy is headed straight toward another galaxy. How does that affect cottage cheese ?

If Kaye had never said this would you even be thinking it!? Some people are just born gullible and follow blindly while making a big stir. Maybe apples in an apple orchard are plants! Louisville beats Michigan in the NCAA finals! No psychics involved. Sorry, I haven't watched basketball on TV since they fixed game 7 of the 1993 Western Conference Finals. NFL guy all the way. Some baseball. But who doesn't? Speak louder please. I only heard this, for the most part. I will check my connection. well,,, if money ist ein plant then where are the blossoms and the little monies? surely you dont deny the money at Tina's Bar sprouted some little monies, since it was a plant. Or have you not read the Palmer report some mysterious person sent you, you say. (or was that an apparition too?). What makes the Cooper money at Tina's Bar special? YOU? Tom Kaye? It's just stuff, like all the other stuff that washes up on Tina's Bar - yes? Why would anyone plant money at Tina's Bar? Why not Monty's Point or in grandma's back yard? I mean if you really think hard about this the only reason for thinking the Cooper money is a plant is because two guys say it is - Tom Kaye and RobertMBlevins. [Correction: we arent not sure how many people RMB is.] There is absolutely nothing except two guy's thoughts and words to back up the assertion the $$$$ at Tina's Bar is a plant. Or a fish either. Oh! It is a "plant" due to inferential bifurcation of the maldum fornax! Put it other words: it is a result of no other options left after a componential analysis of all the alternatives. So when was it planted? And why at Tina's Bar? And why only a part of three bundles. Did the planter paint sediment paste between the bills - how did that get there and when? And of course the same question which avoided answering (like the plague) in lieu of your usual redirection and Yakety Yak Dont Look Back ... If Kaye had never said this would you even be thinking it!? And sorry you dont trust collegiate basketball and the thousands of home town wage earner sheeple who participate - Your baiting is a waste of time. Not buying it, sorry. I don't enjoy seeing you fall victim to the Cooper Curse, but I think that is what is happening now. All this time I thought you were a smart college-educated, university-associated guy who has spent YEARS working on the Cooper case. You are disappointing me to no end. It's frickin' depressing, although probably worse for you. Face it. You've become what you hate the most, and because of that you obviously hate yourself. Seek help. Soon. It's not much, but it's my best advice. Come back when you get yourself together. Or at least try to pull it together here while you are GETTING help. Well, if asking you questions you cant or dont want to answer is baiting, then I guess I am baiting you - Bleviins. Why would somebody plant money in an out-of- the-way place on an out-of-the-way sandbar, in a place that floods all the time and God only knows what else! ? Just who was expected to find it and when? shouldn't the perp have hung a poster in town or sent a letter to the news media, or left a message for the future RoibertMBlevins, informing the world of where to find Cooper money and what it was supposed to teach the world? Because otherwise, you might as well stuff Cooper bills up a cows ass and hope it comes out in the milk, delivered to the FBI vending machine! WAGE EARNER SHEEPLE WANNA KNOW! ? just answer the question for a change. BTW: Kaye says "non natural means". Kaye does not say plant. Only you use the word plant. Isn't that correct also, or does Miriam Sheeple of the Bumville Times Hearld use the word plant also ? Keep planting the idea of "baiting" in your posts when all I am doing is asking questions. It would appear the only person including Cooper doing a "plant" ... is you!

If Kaye had never said this would you even be thinking it!? Some people are just born gullible and follow blindly while making a big stir. Maybe apples in an apple orchard are plants! Louisville beats Michigan in the NCAA finals! No psychics involved. Sorry, I haven't watched basketball on TV since they fixed game 7 of the 1993 Western Conference Finals. NFL guy all the way. Some baseball. But who doesn't? Speak louder please. I only heard this, for the most part. I will check my connection. well,,, if money ist ein plant then where are the blossoms and the little monies? surely you dont deny the money at Tina's Bar sprouted some little monies, since it was a plant. Or have you not read the Palmer report some mysterious person sent you, you say. (or was that an apparition too?). What makes the Cooper money at Tina's Bar special? YOU? Tom Kaye? It's just stuff, like all the other stuff that washes up on Tina's Bar - yes? Why would anyone plant money at Tina's Bar? Why not Monty's Point or in grandma's back yard? I mean if you really think hard about this the only reason for thinking the Cooper money is a plant is because two guys say it is - Tom Kaye and RobertMBlevins. [Correction: we arent not sure how many people RMB is.] There is absolutely nothing except two guy's thoughts and words to back up the assertion the $$$$ at Tina's Bar is a plant. Or a fish either. Oh! It is a "plant" due to inferential bifurcation of the maldum fornax! Put it other words: it is a result of no other options left after a componential analysis of all the alternatives. So when was it planted? And why at Tina's Bar? And why only a part of three bundles. Did the planter paint sediment paste between the bills - how did that get there and when? And of course the same question which you avoided answering (like the plague) in lieu of your usual redirection and Yakety Yak Dont Look Back ... If Kaye had never said this was a plant would you even be thinking it!? And sorry you dont trust collegiate basketball and the thousands of home town wage earner sheeple who work their asses off in ignorance in order to participate without scholarships in sports! Why dont you go to a college campus and lecture everyone on how basketball is fixed - I am sure you will get a nice reception ~

3) Money is a plant. . If Kaye had never said this would you even be thinking it!? Some people are just born gullible and follow blindly while making a big stir. Maybe apples in an apple orchard are plants! Louisville beats Michigan in the NCAA finals! No psychics involved.