georger

"anybody who planned it out that well" thanks

KC was never a suspect and Duane Weber was and still it. Evidently they DID know about Spokane - but why didn't they make that PUBLIC with the other things Carr introduced on this thread. NOW, that sound a little FISHY! Right! Blevins-Porteous always knew that Jo. They hedged their bet 50:50. Might make some money for retirement, but for Blevins it was a way to get his foot in the door as an 'established Cooper expert'! Blev wants to be invited to the party! He has nothing better to do, plus its personally rewarding for him. Blev has found his "calling" with a strong social media presence. Opportunities will follow - how better to get LOST on a dime! He is also Judgement proof. Coopercare.

One report says the chute was found BETWEEN Amboy and Ariel, not on the east side of Amboy. If this were true, it would put the chute closer to the flight path. As it is now, according to the alleged GPS/Google Map info the chute was approximately four miles off the flight path. And I admit I don't know if a drift of four miles from a 9,600 foot jump is possible, even if the upper level winds were westerly. MeyerLouie As a matter of fact, four miles is 'right on the nut' in terms of several people's prior calculations, done here in the Stone Age. I smiled when I saw Shutters figure, for that reason. Sluggo, Snow, Guru, myself, and others tried their hands at calculating drift scenarios, dead drop-terminal velocity, etc etc. It was like being back in physics 101 - fun! These skydivers do know their stuff! This period people doing calculations and discussion went on for some time, was very productive, and '4 miles' was one person's prediction ... so its not out of reason based on parameters previously introduced and discussed. Guru, make any corrections to my memory of this you need to - BTW, you can also refer to the original NWA map (what I call the probability drop map) to get their original estimates on this matter. (Sluggo hates it when I used that term for the NWA map -

Blevins & Porteous reply: 'It's all your fault! We were attacked by Dropzone first. We have the right of reply. We weren't even interested in DB Cooper. Maybe next time you will think twice before attacking 'everyone'. Nothing at Dropzone is copy-written. It's free public source material. Now we "own" Dropzone, and everything at Dropzone! Nobody can prove Dropzone was DB Cooper. It's all good.'

' Gayla doesn't post to Dropzone. She only did that once. Do you realize how bad you make yourself look publicly by posting up crud like that? I dropped the weather map issue after Robert99's immediate reply. Yet you keep going on and on ad nauseum about it. Face it. You have issues. IT WAS A COUPLE OF WEATHER MAPS.... Don't talk to me about 'trashing this thread' or 'driving people away' when you post up junk like the previous. Your personal issues with me have become an obsession. Get over it. If you can. Or get help. I would also suggest you quit trying to speak for everybody else. ('WE can take the summer off...') I think that some of the folks who post here besides you wish you would get over the personal issues. It makes you look BAD and drives people away. That's an opinion. OK. You have shamed me! Please! go ahead and do your weather drill again - take at least 3-6 months doing it. Maybe a full year! You seem to know the pulse of everyone. So play it again Sam.

Funny . "but I could easily miss a post or two from Hominid." You mean a month and more of Hominid's posts? While you were right here posting also? Whatever the case is, if you think we are going to sit here through three more months of your fucking around with the weather issue, then you will have Airtwardo for an audience ... and the rest of us can take the summer off HOOOOOORAY! A better excuse would be: "Gayla is posting tonight! And even better reason would be: Im an idiot!

BULL CRAP & double BULL! YOU do not remember Hominid's analysis? What do you take the posters in the thread to be - IDIOTS? YOU did what U always do. U have No evidence of your own, but then stage your analysis feeding off of Hominid's. U use people and U use this forum! THEN U will repeat and repeat the post U made - to attempt to take CREDIT for the work done by other! U are in WAY over your head! DO NOT REPEAT THE POST U MADE AND DO NOT REPEAT THIS POST regarding the analysis. U think U are master of the Cooper Universe. Note to Robert99: I am NOT being nice the way U were, I call it the WAY I read and see it! BLEVINS uses this thread and he has ONLY one purpose. Yep. Exposed! Just as _______ said he would do!

.djvu files all over again Thinks he is working for NASA! (to open a beer!)

READ THE THREAD TREAD.

The longer the explanation the more suspect! Get a real job!

uR 3 YEARS LATE! read the thread

Your vid link is a DUD. Robert: Fixed. I was in a rush to get out the door for errands. Georger: Got any new-news about Lindsay Lohan and how she's doing in the drunk tank? Are you going to visit her and give spiritual advice Robert: Sure. I'd tell her to stop drinking and doing drugs. Looks like you have skooped Bruce Smith again! Robert: Not sure what you mean by that. I think it was Shutter who did the overlay video shown above. On the idea of whether anyone earlier REALLY questioned the FBI's results on the Amboy chute, I was just being polite. I really haven't seen any other articles calling into question their results. I did see one article on the chute itself where Carr says that if the chute is Cooper's that the Tena Bar money couldn't have ended up there on its own. Of course, no one knows the truth on that chute right now except the Seattle FBI, and well...we've been down that road before. If they aren't going to let any outsiders except Cossey ('silk, not nylon...and that's why it can't be Cooper's...' ) look at the thing, the next best thing is to pinpoint the exact spot where it was found. I see another trip to Ariel in my future. Robert99 says in part: Yeah, I know this. I don't have any information on the upper level winds at the approximate time of the jump. I don't believe that story of 50-60 knots from the south in the Portland area, though. Sounds excessive. But I haven't seen the data, if it exists today...either. One reason I doubt this story is because if the winds were running that high at 9,600 feet, someone would have noticed. Climbers on Rainier, Adams, St Helens maybe. There would have been reports of a windstorm running at higher elevations. Still, as I said, I haven't seen the data and I wonder if the 305 crew would have reported such winds, if they existed. The more long-winded the explanation, the more in doubt. Olympia WA is not PDX WA! Yea. They did. READ THE THREAD!

Besides, there may have been others before me who questioned the FBI's results. Chute was found in 2008. My article wasn't published until 2012. Too bad Kaye couldnt figure that out! I realise my expectations are high.

I also noticed someone else thinks the chute was actually discovered BETWEEN Amboy and Ariel...closer to the flight path...and they did

Georger, It may be easier and faster to just start with a blank sheet of paper and reinvent the Cooper case out of whole cloth. I may be smiling but it is in disbelief. Robert99 Not sure what you mean, but the previous exercise (Sluggo etal) moved the DZ south if you accept the FBI FP. In order for the Amboy chute to be Cooper's he must bail in that area vs. further south (Scotton- Orchards where if you can believe previous posts here, (Sluggo-Ckret), the FBI had done or were doing some poking around. We all know, are fully aware, that your analysis allows other options - at least I am aware of that. I think Farflung agreed? That is all I am saying. If the historical record is correct, H stated in 1976 that the dz had been lowered from Merwin Lake to 12 miles north of PDX. At least that was my interpretation of H's comments, and I think Sluggo went along with that? As a corollary, the whole matter was still within the parameters of the original NWA-Boeing probability map (the first drop-zone map issued). Things were static for the next four years. Whatever else others were doing in the FBI, Himmelsbach's publicly announced position was: 12 miles north of PDX, and that is "in the record". The events of 1980 occur and people change their stories, or so it is alleged all according to Himmelsbach. Rczak suddenly says 'maybe east', Palmer etal get involved, and the Washougal Theory is born. Agents involved at the excavation are told: he dropped into the Washougal basin. Several agents propose alternate theories - H retires and Seattle is now in charge and somewhere in this time frame or later the FBI map is born - H's 1976 public statement fades into the mist. H is now saying "Washougal" ... Ckret surfaces and is open to an analysis of the NWA map. He has the original NWA map with the new FBI map in hand. Moreover, Ckret is reading files and finds crew testimony (Im not going to go into). The Amboy chute is discovered! (Ckret etal consult experts on whether the Amboy chute could be Cooper's or not). The previous work which tended to show a drop further south along the FBI timeline ... is abandoned and forgotten. Robt99 does his general analysis of the flight of 305 . . . Tom Kaye publishes Blevins' name giving Blevins credit for being 'the first person to discover flaws in the Amboy parachute story' ... or some-such nonsense! Kaye has been excluded at Seattle from any evidence pertaining to the Amboy chute the FBI has.

and: Again with your 'based on nothing' routine. Again with picking on the CEO (Gayla Prociv), who wanted to drop the whole Cooper thing anyway. I'll assume you are kidding about 'making a buck on Cooper'. I did check the sales rankings at Amazon for all other available books on Cooper before we did ours. They were abysmal, and this was BEFORE Geoff Gray's book emerged. I knew there probably wasn't any money to be made there. As you know, I also turned down $2,500 from Go Go Luckey for the Decoded appearance, and another $1,000 for Adrenaline Hunter's Cooper episode. And...I have turned down one offer for rights on the screenplay because they weren't going to present it as either a drama or a documentary, and they wanted to heavily embellish the truth. Money, my eye. It's the truth I care about regarding Cooper and nothing else. You really have a double-standard going here you know. First, you pick on my minor points and research regarding the Amboy chute...but you waffle on having any opinions of your own about it. Anyone can see that it isn't what I present that you have a problem with, but that it is ME presenting it. You go on and on about scrubbing toilets, Gayla, personal issues galore. And it is YOU who is driving people from the thread, not I. At least lately. Your constant harangues on every point I make (mostly not answered with any facts or opinions of your own of a non-personal nature) is becoming ludicrous. And you've gotten worse since I called you out on your phony quotes about me supposedly by Geoff Gray, who by the way denies making them. And no...I didn't phone you in the middle of the night and blast YouTube in your ear. Do you have an opposing view regarding the investigation by the Seattle FBI on the Amboy chute? If not, then how can you say my conclusions on their investigation are wrong? I suggest that we move forward here. I already said that it's okay for us to disagree here about the chute. I don't have a problem with that. I didn't make assumptions, I took everything I said about the chute investigation directly from FBI statements in the media, and the articles themselves. The windbag says all of the above! I say: if the FP timeline is off by a millimetre, then the Amboy chute can't be Cooper's. Think 234.6 feet per second at minimum. Thats 14,076 ft/min. Say 8:11- 8:16 give or take a minute. That's 84,456 feet = 15.8 miles potentially at play. H said in 1976 after the SF Conference on the Cooper case, that the revised NWA FP and Timeline had Cooper bailing "12 miles north of Portland". Then the money suddenly shows up at Tina Bar! Anyone have any idea how many planes with possible bailouts have flown V23 for the last 40+ years? (Farflung brought that up) Yes indeed as Blevins sayz: Lets move forward Play it again Sam.

Don't put words in my mouth, Blevins. I havent said one word about what I think about the FBI's stance on this matter. What I am saying is: Blevins points are nothing because they are based on nothing, nada. Blevins' stance is merely an editorial based on conjecture. Virtually every post Blevins has made since arriving at Dropzone has been conjecture and social-media management of other people's business! Blevins you are all about conjectures and editorials, based on nothing most of the time. It seems to be a hobby he has! And why he chose the DB Cooper case, God only knows! Maybe he thought there was a $buck in it for him and Gayla? Blevins come here and talks about "Reality Hotel" when in reality he doesn't even know where the front door to that is! Name one thing Blevins has added to this case since he arrived? Others do actual research - Or maybe, this thread is not about actual research and Ckret etal should never have come here, and this thread is about something else?

Yep NOTHIN spelled N O T H I N! Take a high colonic and call 377 in the mourning. Did you stay up all night monitoring this thread like an honest conspiracy theorista !? Don't get your ass arrested wandering around NE of Amboy looking for something that isn't there! Have you now added 377 to the list of people you don't like? And what the heck would I be doing in Amboy? I'm not even going to the Ariel gathering this year. I never said the FBI's investigation into the chute was a conspiracy. I said it may have been flawed. I don't generally buy into conspiracy theories. Explain what you mean by 'nothin'. As usual, you try to poke holes, but forget to bring your stick. I thought I presented a pretty good case. You come back at that with 'it's nothin'. Your response was 'nothin'. Your editorial was quote: "Believe it or not, I am of the same thought regarding the chute. I just had some real problems with the way it was investigated by the Seattle FBI. Still do. Quickie points: 1) Sea/FBI says no markings on the chute. Later, they retract. Points to offhand investigation perhaps. 2) They say they think it's from a Dec 1945 jump, but chute was made later, according to DOM tag. 3) They accepted (and went public with) Cossey's silk-not-nylon story with no named outside confirmation. 4) Suddenly announced they would no longer discuss the chute. 5) These things do not generate confidence in their conclusions regarding the chute. Just saying." They accepted (and went public with)... Suddenly announced they... These things do not generate confidence in their... real problems with the way it was investigated by the Seattle FBI. Points to offhand investigation ... Quickie points: ...

Based on nothing? Right. Hey, Yep NOTHIN spelled N O T H I N! Take a high colonic and call 377 in the mourning. Did you stay up all night monitoring this thread like an honest conspiracy theorista !? Don't get your ass arrested wandering around NE of Amboy looking for something that isn't there!

Weather Underground's historical data from the evening of the hijacking, Olympia, WA: Wind Wind Speed 13 mph (SSW) Max Wind Speed 21 mph Max Gust Speed - Visibility 10 miles Events Rain Uhhhhh, just so you know ... Olympia (above) is here - PDX and the area below Merwin Lake are - there! See attached map! Would you care to apply Seattle weather data to DesMoines, Iowa ! ? More Blevins Mania.

Believe it or not, I am of the same thought regarding the chute. I just had some real problems with the way it was investigated by the Seattle FBI. Still do. Quickie points: 1) Sea/FBI says no markings on the chute. Later, they retract. Points to offhand investigation perhaps. 2) They say they think it's from a Dec 1945 jump, but chute was made later, according to DOM tag. 3) They accepted (and went public with) Cossey's silk-not-nylon story with no named outside confirmation. 4) Suddenly announced they would no longer discuss the chute. 5) These things do not generate confidence in their conclusions regarding the chute. Just saying. The issue is not confidence in their conclusion; but your jumping to conclusions based on nothing! Dont even ask me to explain. We are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond that! Realty Hotel for Blevins!

__________________________________________________ MeyerLoue Ckret Jun 5, 2008, 2:14 PM Post #2094 of 24346 (5293 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 522 Re: [Sluggo_Monster] re: slowing the plane [In reply to] MYTH BUSTING IN PROGRESS: This is what Cooper relayed to the crew through Mucklow: (1) Fly to Mexico City non-stop, if you can't make it then anywhere in Mexico. (2) Fly with landing gear and flaps down (3) Do not fly above 10,000 feet (4) Fly with the lights out in the cabin (5) Do not land in the US for fuel or any other reason. (6) No one aft of the first Class Curtain (7) After takeoff the stewardess will be allowed to the cockpit. (8) The rear door open and the stairs extended for takeoff. Cooper did not request the flaps be set at 15 degrees. Cooper never requested a speed. Cooper never asked for the plane to speed up or slow down. Cooper did not request flight updates from the crew at any time during the incident. THE TIME LINE SHIFT From re-reading the interviews and logs, the work going on here, the money (how and where it was found) and much thought on the subject, this is how the time line has shifted: At 7:42 Cooper called to the cockpit and told them he could not get the stairs to open. The crew slowed the plane and the stairs opened a bit. (my thoughts here) So now Cooper is looking at the stairs twisting his head around like a dog hearing a high pitch noise trying to figure it out. He soon gets it, "the stairs drop by gravity, if i walk out on them they drop, the further my weight gets out over the stairs, the lower they go." Having realized this Cooper finalizes whatever it is he needs to do and by 8:05 he is ready to go. He now starts to slowly test out his theory by walking out a few feet on the stairs. As he does they drop a bit further, causing the opening in the rear of the craft to get larger. Because of this, the air pressure in the cabin starts to change. Rataczak sees the cabin pressure gauge oscillating at 8:10 to 8:12 and reports it to NWA flight ops. For the next five to ten minutes Cooper gets it all figured out and jumps, creating the "bump" 5 to 10 minutes after the last contact at 8:05. [re- 302 testimony] The oscillations and bump are two different events confused as one by the agents conducting interviews. This confusion led investigators to believe the 8:11 report by Rataczak was the jump. (This post was edited by Ckret on Jun 5, 2008, 2:39 PM) And the conclusion to this is: Draw your own conclusions vis-a-vis Amboy parachute. Robert99 may be smiling -

Robert99 - Amboy chute Coordinates for the Amboy chute find may be: 45.9335 -122.5176 This will be followed by another who made a movie showing these coordinates relative to the FBI flight path. NOTE! There is a No-Trespass No-Dig order in effect at the property, in any event. Violators could be Prosecuted.

Amazon has her own thread, "Hang Tough Girl!", on the Bonfire forum. She checked in at 5:43PM PDT yesterday with the post: "Thanks evrybuddies .. tired .. I survive" I imagine that some have been in direct contact with her by phone and PMs. Robert99 Amazon has now posted several times within the past hour. Robert99 Thanks. Thats good news - Yup still here... This one was not the bad one... although I do not like the idea of people futzing around inside my heart while I am trying to use it... Later this summer after healing from this one... comes the skeeery one Still cant figure out which one of the "interesting" experiences in my life is the one that rearranged my innards like this. The human stomach is not supposed to be above the diaphram wrapped around the heart and taking up room from the left lung so I cant breathe. get some rest -

Amazon has her own thread, "Hang Tough Girl!", on the Bonfire forum. She checked in at 5:43PM PDT yesterday with the post: "Thanks evrybuddies .. tired .. I survive" I imagine that some have been in direct contact with her by phone and PMs. Robert99 Amazon has now posted several times within the past hour. Robert99 Thanks. Thats good news -