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Nice article find. Well, you can see how Cossey became the go-to guy for the FBI, and it makes perfect sense. He was the only one to see the canopies. Norman Hayden has said he bought them packed, and never observed the re-packing(s) personally. I think Cossey's only mistake may have been with the Amboy chute. He may have been right about the chute not being Cooper's, but the choice to use the silk reason might not have been the best choice as the reason he gave. Well, we've discussed all that ins and outs of the silk thing before so I'm not gonna go there tonight - except to say...my main problem with dismissing Cossey's silk statement out of hand is -- based on what I've read -- certified master riggers know fabrics. It's part of their job and part of their knowledge base when it comes to certification and such. So you'd think that his opinion would be based on that knowledge. Now I don't know, maybe the training and knowledge is not as rigorous as I've been led to believe, but one would hope that it's not like just any ol guy saying it is or isn't silk, you know? not to mention others also inspecting the chute - a fact Blevins refuses to accept. But let's chuck all of that! For the sake of welfare let's just accept Blevins as the expert on this and everything else, including morality and manners! That should just about wrap this up. Another problemo DECODED and in Blevin's can. I'm goin fishin!

just as I said: different definitions for "his". so why the kerfuffle over it!? good work Smokin.

http://library.thinkquest.org/04oct/00206/text_ta_time_since_death.htm

So do I, Meyer. You may recall I offered Bruce our services on editing (spellcheck and formatting, setup for Kindle and print, not content) free for his book. Then I suggested he could set up his own accounts at Kindle and Lightning Source and simply upload the manuscripts and cover file. I've also told him AB will not be mentioned anywhere in the book credits. This is what I do on private edits, except for Bruce no charge. Ask him yourself. There are too few books available on Cooper, and I think Bruce has something to offer. I'm refusing calls from the media right now. I have no statements for them on Cossey, since I didn't know him personally. And no, I don't want to go on TV. WHY would YOU be "refusing calls from the media" on the murder of Earl J Cossey!? What have YOU got to do with this!? Do you and Gayla now own the Cossey story!? "Robert M Blevins 3 days ago @lakeunion @The206 @lakeunion Nah, not promoting. Just citing. I hope they catch whomever did this, and quickly. Think I will head to Amazon and make the book a free download for a while, as a sort of memorial to the guy. Many people are posting up about Cossey today at Dropzone dot com, the DB Cooper thread under Skydiving History and Trivia. " http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Sheriff-Woodinville-mans-death-ruled-a-homicide-205013021.html Comments at: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/01/secret-life-of-a-d-b-cooper-hijacking-witness-includes-disappearing-to-a-nunnery/ "Freddie at the Bureau Mr. Blevins, I sent that e-mail to you about three years ago just to make you feel good. But for the past 35 months, you've given everyone at the Bureau........indigestion. Your KC Report was the only laughable entertainment around here. Get over yourself. ps.... we've been watching you .... You are without shame."

FYI: Northwest Airlines didn't tell Hayden the chutes were for a hijacker. They said it was 'a matter of life or death' and simply requested them on the recommendation of someone else who pointed them to Hayden. (See PDF excerpt from the FBI record) He was very busy, but took time out of whatever he was doing to gather up the chutes, grab a receipt book, and call the cab to deliver them. I would call that very generous, and a very nice thing to do. He just expected they would be returned. Hayden said in his phone conversation that he didn't understand what they were being used for until he finally tuned in the news. And I have no reason to doubt his word on any of his testimony. 'Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away.' Elvis Presley [reply thingy] So he gives out outdated illegal chutes in your "a matter of life or death" situation. Very generous. I guess it wasn't his fault his chutes were out of date, illegal, and potentially defective. It's life vs death, you say! I'm sure you would do the same. Remind me never to buy a book from you! Can you spell "pusillanimous", Elvis ?

Your so-called humor basically consists of insults, one after another. Some actually directly at Cossey and his widow and his funeral, which has not even been held yet. Shall I quote you again on those statements? Let me give you a hint, Georger. I am not amused. 'Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away.' Elvis Presley . WTF! Get real "Elvis".

[reeply and 4pply thingie] I wonder if I could rent my cow's milk and corn and beans by the hour? Robert says: Uh, no. But even a whuffo like me knows parachutes can be rented... Do you actually put some thought into responses like that, or do they just come off the top of your head? 'Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away.' Elvis Presley [/reply box that does not work] Well, yes I do, Elvis. It's pur'dy simpul, Elvis. Who would "rent" his parachutes, by the hour or day or whatever, in an emergency, to an airline, Govt, or anyone else, for a hijacking no less! An "out of date illegal" parachute no less! Then sue to get it back! Or charge 3650 days rent plus interest compounded plus loss, pain, and suffering ... No wonder when I want to put my four grandkids on a plane it would be cheaper just to buy the damned airline ... and pay Adventure Books a commission! Hey Blevins. Do you know what humor is or are you all puckered up like a lawn toad 24/7?

During my phone conversation with Hayden this week, he mentioned that he had made it clear with NWO that the chutes were a RENTAL, and he was not interested in selling them outright. He added that this rental fee was paid within days, and he was happy about that, but not later... when the FBI appropriated the one remaining chute as evidence, and the other disappeared with Cooper. He said there wasn't much he could do about it. He ended up buying another chute, I believe he said a 'seat pack', for the aerobatic flying. Later, he decided to try and get the other one returned, and it was (finally). [reeply and 4pply thingie] I wonder if I could rent my cow's milk and corn and beans by the hour?

Why would he go to Court to get his chute back that NWO had already paid him for!? I loaned a cow to a neighbor which died. I was paid for it. Can I go back to Court to get my dead cow back and keep the money!?

Just found this: I guess it's official. April 30, 2013 @ 4:41 pm (Updated: 5:16 pm - 4/30/13 ) http://mynorthwest.com/11/2264313/Police-want-help-solving-Woodinville-murder-linked-to-DB-Cooper-case So sad.

working on a lathe wearing a tie is not a good thing, even a clip on would be dangerous around rolling machines. I would put him in a supervisor position with wearing a tie in a manufacturing plant Others, including myself, have made the same suggestion. Nevertheless, Tom Kaye has pictures of lathe and other such machine operators wearing fully knotted ties (not clip-ons). Robert99 hopefully they were wearing a shop apron? I did find one....... This interfaces with OSHA rules which came in at different times for different shops. Some shops grandfathered in! Ties permitted. Some agriculture shops excluded which lead to a whole new visitation of research and work safety, much of that conducted in places like Iowa State ... It could even be a tie Cooper picked up from someone somewhere ... the smoking particles seem to fit Cooper? As to brand? What matters is families of particles as Smokin99 alluded to ...

Maybe a repost of two posts is in order? (below). Back packs from two sources? Cossey's use of the word "his" meant he rigs/packed/'sold them ... to Hayden? Several things are obvious here: neither party has fully explained the other, for some reason. Maybe Hangdiver's explanation below is what happened? Why cant these journalists ask the questions that matter, to straighten this out! ??? One thing seems apparent. Both parties seem a little upset with each other for some reason not explained. Cossey has no hesitation about naming Hayden. Hayden will not talk about Cossey. Neither party explained. While the Issaquah story is perfectly clear and undisputed, as per the below - Why is any of this important? It answers the question: which chute did Cooper use and what was its nature. smokin99 Oct 18, 2011, 8:23 AM Post #27814 of 42917 (1621 views) Registered: Jun 7, 2008 Posts: 729 cooper parachutes [In reply to] Quote | Reply ________________________________________ Re: Parachutes. Not sure if this has been posted here before or not, but maybe this will help shed some light on the legend of the dueling parachutes..... http://myprojectstatus.net/...DOCU_parachutes1.pdf The link originated from Geoffrey Gray's "The Hunt for DB Cooper" website. http://myprojectstatus.net/skyjack/ Additionally... Excerpt from the Issaquaah Press, Wed, Dec 1, 1971, Vol 71 No. 48 by Bill Ostlund titled "Hijacker may be known in Issaquah" that has been posted on thread in the past…(Post #18929)…. "......The Issaquah parachutist supplied the two chest packs the hijacker demanded. Enrick (sp?) recalled that the Washington Aeronautic Commission had called him last Wednesday afternoon requesting "four parachutes for two hijackers in Seattle" (Smokin says....Later in the article Emrick states that he subsequently learned there was only one hijacker). ...(Emrick) then learned that a Renton firm supplied the two backpack chutes and only chest pack chutes would be needed…….." ________________________________________ Yeah, I know. But with over 40,000 posts since this thread began in some form or another since 2001, what HASN"T been talked about already? (This post was edited by smokin99 on Oct 18, 2011, 8:48 AM) hangdiver PM Friend Oct 18, 2011, 8:42 AM Post #27815 of 42917 (1608 views) Registered: Jun 1, 2004 Posts: 372 Re: [smokin99] cooper parachutes [In reply to] Quote | Reply ________________________________________ In Reply To: Re: Parachutes. Not sure if this has been posted here before or not, but maybe this will help shed some light on the legend of the dueling parachutes..... http://myprojectstatus.net/...DOCU_parachutes1.pdf The link originated from Geoffrey Gray's "The Hunt for DB Cooper" website. http://myprojectstatus.net/skyjack/ Additionally... Excerpt from the Issaquaah Press, Wed, Dec 1, 1971, Vol 71 No. 48 by Bill Ostlund titled "Hijacker may be known in Issaquah" that has been posted on thread in the past……. "......The Issaquah parachutist supplied the two chest packs the hijacker demanded. Enrick (sp?) recalled that the Washington Aeronautic Commission had called him last Wednesday afternoon requesting "four parachutes for two hijackers in Seattle" (Smokin says....Later in the article Emrick states that he subsequently learned there was only one hijacker). ...(Emrick) then learned that a Renton firm supplied the two backpack chutes and only chest pack chutes would be needed…….." Thanks smokin99, I haven't read the book and it's been a while since I've read the transcripts...nice info...current descriptions versus old memories...which would I go with...probably the...then...current info... I kinda figured Cossey either sold or assembled those rigs...just reading what he had to say about them... I've known a rigger or two in my journeys... eta: so Cossey gave them rigs he had already sold to Hayden...and had just repacked and assembled...I wonder if Hayden had ever been in possession of them yet...???... hangdiver ________________________________________ "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan (This post was edited by hangdiver on Oct 18, 2011, 8:53 AM)

I call it 'Shaking the Tree'.

Well actually you did ask why the FBI didn't talk to Hayden about the Amboy canopy. See your prior post and my response. I'm not saying there were more chutes on the plane. What I'm just saying is that additional chutes procured would explain why Cossey says he sent chutes also. It would also explain why others say that chutes came from Cossey's house. And, it makes perfect sense that they were using multiple sources considering that they were racing against time trying to get some chutes as the hijacker was getting impatient about how long it was taking. The point being - just because four chutes went on the plane - doesn't mean that more weren't procured. You don't honestly think that we have been privy to all the interactions or the documentation of that night? So did Cossey receive any chutes back? If not, if there were additional chutes, where are they now? Who knows - maybe they are hanging out with the cigarettes that were also so well documented?

Basically still a leap though. Cause all of that doesn't mean there wasn't more than one set of back chutes. All the reasons why: It would seem pretty likely that they would be putting out feelers to multiple sources. We are seeing one or two pages from a set of at least 228 if you believe those are page numbers at the bottom. We don't know if there were other pages associated with other parachutes. We don't really know that document is associated with the actual hijacking. It could be a document associated with the claim he said he filed to get his chute back. Didn't he he tell Bruce that he got paid rather quickly, but he had to file suit to get his chute back. That also might explain why only the back chutes are described in this document - i wondered why they didn't describe all of the chutes. Actually, on reading the document again it looks like it could be fact-finding to determine ownership. And, finally, to your original question, regardless of ownership, from what you've said that Hayden said, seems like Cossey would still be a lot more likely to be able to identify the canopy than Hayden would. more - Farflung Send a Private MessagePM Add to FriendsFriend Jumps License In sport : : : Feb 27, 2012, 9:11 AM Post #32389 of 42913 (1521 views) Shortcut Registered: Jul 5, 2009 Posts: 1351 The Two Chutes [In reply to] Quote | Reply After several failed attempts asking and still being lost on the subject, I figured a couple pictures may help somewhat. There were only two backpack chutes according to the record but this thread makes it seem like there were dozens which were radically different in appearance. Perhaps that is true as well, I simply can’t tell. Since this tale has secretaries, taxi cabs and airline personnel all handling these parachutes, the parlance may be to blame for some of this. Cooper took an NB-6 or NB-6 style parachute from the supplied pool of two (2). So far this makes sense to even me. The first attachment has an image of an NB-6 on the left with the cryptic title of NB-6. The ‘other’ parachute has been variously described as a ‘sport’, ‘Pioneer’ or civilian parachute and was allegedly photographed by Bruce Smith last year, which is the image on the right of the first attachment (Pioneer ‘Sport’). Now perhaps a jumper can instantly spot a massive or obvious number of differences between these items but I simply don’t see it. They both appear to me (a non-expert) as aircrew emergency chutes. If Hayden did own the chutes Cooper used AND the chutes were identical (as Hayden indicated), THEN I would surmise that the chute Cooper grabbed was an NB-6 style rig and his choice was moot since there were two of the same breed to select. But for some reason this question is always answered with deflections and are so vague that I still can’t tell what happened. The second attachment illustrates the NB-6 and Pioneer chutes being modeled for use. Once again, I feel like one would have to be a supreme expert on the subject to identify any difference between the two from my experience level. Perhaps the difference between Sport and military rigs in 1971 was minimal in comparison to later equipment. The first civil emergency chute I put on was so thin and light that I was suspicious of some sort of joke being played on me. Does the source and type of parachutes Cooper used remain a mystery (like the seat he used) or are the pictures of the NB-6 and the Pioneer ‘Sport’ representative of Cooper’s chutes? Secondly, what are these major differences which are spoken about between the two in the photos? Attachments: Cooper Chutes.jpg (97.3 KB) Chute On.jpg (75.4 KB) airtwardo Send a Private MessagePM Add to FriendsFriend United States Jumps License In sport : 4000 : D : 38 years Feb 27, 2012, 11:32 AM Post #32391 of 42913 (1498 views) Shortcut Registered: Oct 30, 2002 Posts: 29980 ??? Laugh That Pioneer 'sport' rig isn't a 'skydiving' system...there is no reserve D rings on front or side strap tie downs on it. It's a PEP, or Pilots Emergency Parachute... that's what we gravity junkies call 'em. And either container could obviously hold the exact same canopy...the same strength and opening speed parameters would apply to either container if the same parachute was inside. Wink Does anyone knew exactly what type of Pioneer system was given that fateful day? Pioneer made several Skydiving systems ...and since reserve parachutes were included in the delivery (or so I thought-'training aid'?) I tend to think one may have been an actual sport rig and not the 'Navy' rig copy that flug posted a pic of. mark Send a Private MessagePM Add to FriendsFriend Jumps License In sport : 7200 : D 6108 : 34 years Sep 3, 2008, 11:05 AM Post #4312 of 42915 (6803 views) Shortcut Registered: Sep 27, 2004 Posts: 1323 Re: [nitrochute] this got me to thinking [In reply to] Quote | Reply In Reply To: my old braincells just realized something. ol' coop may have had 2 previously undisclosed pieces of gear with him. Guru ,you can probably back me up on this,BUT there has been NO mention of whether those 2 chest chutes were supplied to the FBI with belly bands!i would assume they were, as the chest packs would have been flopping around WILDLY w/o them. for those who arent familiar with old skydiving gear, a belly band is a piece of webbing around 3 feet long with some variety of snap on each end(b12,b4, quick ejector).it is threaded thru the back of the chest container reinforcing and then hooked to another ring on either the back container "sidewings" or on the harness near the saddle.however if long enough could be routed to anypart of the harness. Why is this information important,you may ask? well it gives cooper 2 pieces of webbing,at least 6 to 8 feet total length, with parachute harness snaps that could have been used to fasten the money to himself ,and his backpack parachute. the webbing most likely was type8(4000# tensile strength) or type 13(7500 lb ). I think you are right with respect to the likely presence of belly bands. However, I think he would have had trouble removing the belly bands from the chest packs. I'm looking at a T-10R, and there is exactly enough room under the Type-6 webbing on the back of the pack to route a flat piece of Type-8, -7, or -13. Not enough room to pull a snap through. So the snap would have to be unthreaded (or cut, if the end was folded and sewn, instead of seared, split, and sewn). Some sport chest packs had Type-17 (1") belly bands with alligator clips. The clips needed to be only strong enough to hold the pack in place during a style set or while the reserve deployed. If the reserve deployed, the large QAC snaps would take the load, not the alligator clips. I'm not familiar with NB-6 or NB-8, so maybe there is some place a belly band could hook. I don't think you could hook one end to the other. I don't see the advantage to tying a knot in webbing instead of using parachute cord to secure the money bundle. Mark

Basically still a leap though. Cause all of that doesn't mean there wasn't more than one set of back chutes. All the reasons why: It would seem pretty likely that they would be putting out feelers to multiple sources. We are seeing one or two pages from a set of at least 228 if you believe those are page numbers at the bottom. We don't know if there were other pages associated with other parachutes. We don't really know that document is associated with the actual hijacking. It could be a document associated with the claim he said he filed to get his chute back. Didn't he he tell Bruce that he got paid rather quickly, but he had to file suit to get his chute back. That also might explain why only the back chutes are described in this document - i wondered why they didn't describe all of the chutes. Actually, on reading the document again it looks like it could be fact-finding to determine ownership. And, finally, to your original question, regardless of ownership, from what you've said that Hayden said, seems like Cossey would still be a lot more likely to be able to identify the canopy than Hayden would. Here are some past posts on this topic: Ckret posted as follows: Ckret Jun 12, 2008, 9:28 PM Post #2512 of 2519 (53 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 350 Sluggo, The NB6 and the Pioneer were Cossey's chutes, he had them at his house, they weren't at Seattle Skysports. I asked Cossey why he packed a 28 foot canopy in the NB6 and he just shrugged. Kind of like, "it was my chute, I did it because I can." I like that guy, I could have talked to him all day but he grew tired of me in about an hour. Ckret and: Ckret Jun 13, 2008, 9:56 AM Post #2532 of 2672 (263 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 371 Question about the NB6, now that we have an NB6 expert here. When I talked with Cossey he explained how he configured the chute but did so as if I knew what he was talking about. (you ever talk to someone with so much expertise they don't have the time or desire to take it down a notch) He talked about a two phase pull because of where he placed the handle. (it would have been under the right armpit) He said Cooper would have had to pull fully out and then up to deploy the chute. If he only pulled the handle out the chute would not have delopyed. Can someone tell me if this is normal? Why would there have been a two directional pull? Nitrochute then posted as follows: nitrochute PM Friend JumpsLicenseIn sport : 3500: D : 42 years Jun 13, 2008, 11:00 AM Post #2549 of 2672 (176 views) Registered: Apr 7, 2004Posts: 216 Re: [Ckret] Skydivers, I need your HELP! - NEW [In reply to] Quote | Reply i have never seen an nb6/8 with the ripcord located on the right side mai n liftweb(unless it was a military rig modified for use as a sport main parchute).it is designed (as all military pilot rigs are) with the ripcord on the left main liftweb.for the reasons that guru stated, it would be dangerous to have moved the r/c to the right side main liftweb (what we call an outboard pull)it exposes the r/c to a greater risk of snagging or getting grabbed by a student who is panicking.i think maybe cossey is either mistaken or getting senile. it DOES NOT make sense that he would have configured it that way. as to the 2 stage pull.yes most any ripcord deployed system requires a 2 stage pull, the 1st stage is to remove the handle from its pocket, the second stage is actually to pull on the handle to extract the pins and open the container.the direction of pull to extract the pins depends on the type of rig. a backpack you pull down and out toward your feet .that is because the metal r/c housing(,the metal tube that the ripcord cable travels in to go from the front of the harness to the top of the parachute container,)travels up and over your left shoulder on a back type parachute.[right shoulder if outboard pull].if you pull sideways ,there is so much friction between the r/c cable and the housing that you may not be able to pull it.the pull that cossey suggested is for a seat type parchute where the r/c housing comes up from the left side of the seat pack (on your butt) to the left side main lift web.i have never seen a stock military harness backpack(from that era) where the r/c housing comes off the bottom of the container and then upwards toward the main liftweb. Nirochute again: nitrochute JumpsLicenseIn sport : 3500: D : 42 years Jun 13, 2008, 4:03 PM Post #2560 of 2673 (299 views) Registered: Apr 7, 2004 Posts: 216 Re: [Ckret] money - NEW [In reply to] Quote | Reply hmmmm....it appears that cossey modified the location of the ripcord.but i still am unclear on why he would do that. i have in 40+ years never seen somone do such an odd mod to a pilot emergency chute. was cossey a pilot as well as a rigger /jumper? and the chute was used strictly by him when he flew jumpers?. it seems such an odd set up from your description. does cossey have any interest in joining us on this forum?if it was set up that way i can almost guarantee that cooper bounced because it is such an odd configuration. and Guri312 replied to the above: Guru312 JumpsLicenseIn sport : 900: C 6814: 48 years Jun 13, 2008, 6:37 PM Post #2565 of 2673 (241 views) Registered: Sep 3, 2003 Posts: 247 Re: [Ckret] money - NEW [In reply to] Quote | Reply In Reply To Does this make sense? or did he just demonstrate right handed and he really meant left? Yes! It certainly does make sense. It is brilliant, actually. I have 2000 hours flying jumpers with about 1000 hours flying for a heavily first jump oriented DZ on the Eastern Shore of Maryland known as Pelicanland. I was always expecting a student to freak-out and grab onto me screaming, "I'm not leaving this airplane!" As I've written, I put a 28 into an NB-6 because I didn't want a potentially hard landing under a 26. The more difficult hard pull was a bonus for protecting me from the nutty first time grabbers. I would guess that Cossy or the pilot for whom he packed the rig would want the larger, easier landing canopy for the same reason I would. His idea for the rip cord under the right arm is brilliant! Only under the left arm would be better than under the right. Second reason for the ripcord postion as described under the right arm allows for the best possible body position when diving out the door. Your right hand can easily grab the handle and push out, Superman style with the right thumb hooked inside the handle, as the pilot jumps out. My hat's off to Cossey. I wish I had thought of it. OK...what's next? Guru. Ckret replied: Ckret Jun 13, 2008, 10:13 PM Post #2575 of 2673 (127 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 371 Re: [snowmman] virtual knapsack? - NEW [In reply to] Quote | Reply Snowmman, The problem is the witnesses saw the bag attached around his waist. So I don't think your chest theory would work out. Cooper jumped with a chute that had obviously been modified for one individual, it's owner. One more thing that just hit me, Cooper was given an instruction sheet on the chutes, wonder if it was Cossey trying to tell Cooper, "there's something you should know about one of these chutes...." Regardless, all the pieces matter and only by running them into the ground (as painful as it is) can we be sure we are getting it right. and ... Ckret Jun 14, 2008, 3:13 PM Post #2600 of 2675 (123 views) Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 371 Re: [happythoughts] money - NEW [In reply to] Quote | Reply I want to make sure everyone understands that the instruction sheet offered to Cooper may or may not have come from Cossey. I think it was a bit odd to offer instructions to Cooper when he made no request for them. And from what we now know the NB6 was altered to the point that even an experienced skydiver may have had difficulty with it. From this, I think that maybe Cossey knew this and wanted to warn anyone who my try to use it. Total guess on my part, but the two backpacks came from Cossey, from Cossey's house. i don't think he had a manufactures instruction sheet laying around that he sent with them. Let's just say that a parachute dedicated to emergency use (a pilot rig) might be considered more reliable than a sport main. The emergency rig has to be packed by a licensed FAA rigger, while a sport main may be packed by the person making the jump. If Cooper had experience walking around the back of a plane dropping objects, he would have been wearing a pilot emergency rig, not a sport rig. The sport rig would have modifications unfamiliar to a load master. It makes sense to stick with something familiar. .............................. Ckret Dec 18, 2007, 8:03 AM Post #739 of 1694 (2316 views) Shortcut Registered: Sep 7, 2007 Posts: 522 Re: [SafecrackingPLF] What type of Jumper [In reply to] Cooper never made the request that the chutes not come from McCord, his only demand was two back and two front chutes. In fact he assumed they were coming from McCord from a mistake the pilot made in relaying information to Tina. At 5:15 Tina called the cockpit to find out why they had not landed (Cooper wanted everything by 5 PM), the pilot told Tina they were still waiting for the front chutes from McCord. When Tina relayed this to Cooper his response was, "McCord is only 20 minutes from Tacoma, it doesn't take that long." Cooper was described as having narrow sideburns.

There may be something back in the thread about this!

good grief! READ THE THREAD - one with daisies on it.

well if you would read the thread you would know I already posted a link to one of the chutes belonging to Hayden's brother... Im not going to post it again.

Fixed. What do you mean by 'where is Hayden's other chute?' I think it went out the door with Cooper... You guys are making this more complicated than it really is. Read the PDF excerpt. Hayden gives extensive details on both chutes, gets one back from the FBI later. Neither belonged to Cossey. He was just the person who packed them. The evidence is nearly overwhelming on this point. Hayden claims ownership forty years ago, via the PDF. He does the same thing in the Bruce Smith interview. The FBI and the courts agree, returning the second chute to Hayden later. What more do you need? So you are saying nobody contacted Cossey? You are saying when Cossey says "his", he is saying: "I packed em". ?? Who put the chutes in a vehicle? PDF says Hayden put them into a taxicab himself, going from Kent, WA to be delivered. Cossey isn't from Kent, but Hayden is. I think the PDF excerpt is probably accurate. I will attach the PDF again, so no one has to go back and look for it. We all know the pdf Robert - no need to post it 1 million more times! You didn't answer the other questions - There is a long well-developed story in this thread posted several times way back, where Cossey throws the chutes in his car and drives to meet a police officer or the WHP, and that person takes the chutes to wherever .. It's good that we are weeding through pdf's and stories so whale-kind and dolphin-kind will know, when they take over the case on Dec 22nd 2025!

Fixed. What do you mean by 'where is Hayden's other chute?' I think it went out the door with Cooper... You guys are making this more complicated than it really is. Read the PDF excerpt. Hayden gives extensive details on both chutes, gets one back from the FBI later. Neither belonged to Cossey. He was just the person who packed them. The evidence is nearly overwhelming on this point. Hayden claims ownership forty years ago, via the PDF. He does the same thing in the Bruce Smith interview. The FBI and the courts agree, returning the second chute to Hayden later. What more do you need? So you are saying nobody contacted Cossey? You are saying when Cossey says "his", he is saying: "I packed em". ?? Who put the chutes in a vehicle?

Exactly. Covered at length inthe old thread - and I was listening - Thanks! ... I had to listen/read cuz I know nada about para-chuutz.

Georger, You are correct. I do remember previous discussions on the thread about this. As a certified parachute rigger, Cossey could easily and legally modify his personal emergency parachute to a left hand pull. That is, the rip cord would be mounted on the harness on the right side of the wearer's body and pulled by his left hand. I have also seen pictures of some early skydivers that had rip cords for their back packs mounted on the harness on the right side and then pulled off to the right by their right hand. This feature was supposedly to help them maintain stability during pulls. As 377 remarks elsewhere this morning, the Sky Diving Community, as a Sovereign Nation, seems to do whatever it damn well pleases and doesn't consider itself obligated to follow other people's rules. Robert99 Is this assuming that Hayden is now out of the equation with the back packs? lefty model http://www.awm.gov.au/collection/REL31363/ Hayden rip cord is on the left for a right handed pull (see photo from The Mountain News) I don't think so, at least not if you read news stories today. Every new news story today is emphasizing that Cossey "packed the chutes used in the Cooper hijacking" vrs "supplied the chutes". I have no idea why this slant has surfaced, to become dominant? It's obviously based on something or someone, but the distinction seems to be being universally made. One article even says: "Cossey packed the chutes and had sold them to the Issaquah skydiving school who supplied them for the Cooper hijacking". Maybe we will learn more today.

R99, left hand hard pull figured heavily in Cossey's and others description of the chute Cooper used. Cossey said he had rigged that chute specifically for his own private use and the early thread focused heavily on this for a time - I am sure you are aware of this. Something isn't right here - Another facet is surfacing with people who knew Cossey or were his students. To a person each is saying when Cossey told the story of his providing chutes for the hijacking 'he always referenced another person who also provided chutes' ... one person says 'someone south' ? But nobody can remember who it was Cossey was referencing. Ive asked three of these people and all of them say they don;t recall the name. I have asked if it was Emerick (sp?) and none think it was. But Cossey was definitely referencing a second person in his story. More than this I don't know ... maybe something will come out in a news article?

Bruce, Could you post a photograph showing the left hand pull. Robert99 Here - Photos removed by order of Blevins.