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Blevins, Just a couple of days ago, you were claiming that Cooper had to jump through an opening between the aft stairs and the fuselage that was only 24 to 36 inches. Nevertheless, you have quoted Rataczak as stating that was only the in flight free fall of the stairs under its own weight. Rataczak then explains about the additional opening of the stairs with a jumper on the stairs. Blevins, You should really take the time to read your own posts as well as those by others. Robert99 Quote That in addition to just parroting Rtczk and Tom Kaye's ("smart people") website. Those of us who have read these files umpteen times almost have it memorised and we 'know' where this-n-that quotation comes from, and what you've been reading - since none of it is original with you. So let me ask this: What do you estimate the retraction time of the stairs fully extended (bottomed) was? Any idea? You won't finds this on any internet website or in any Rataczak quote. And what would be the implications of this 'window'? I'll come back later to see where you are -

Ha Ha Ha...now you see how the quote thing gets all screwy. Look at the top of the post to see who said what. Since Paul Soderlind is deceased, you might be able to get the info you want from his sons Bill or Mark. Both are on Facebook. Well...at least Bill is for sure. More important DUUUUDE, you aint Paul Soderlind! Hey...guess what? I know that already. Never said I was. And good thing, too. Since I would be dead and I ain't quite ready for that yet. And my name isn't 'dude'. I know this because I don't buy any salsa made in New York City, and I do know how to ride a horse. You are certainly funny sometimes. Keep ridin DUUUUUDE. Keep pretendin DUUUUUDE. Keep up the Ebonics.

Ha Ha Ha...now you see how the quote thing gets all screwy. Look at the top of the post to see who said what. Since Paul Soderlind is deceased, you might be able to get the info you want from his sons Bill or Mark. Both are on Facebook. Well...at least Bill is for sure. More important DUUUUDE, you aint Paul Soderlind! The best you can do is drop names.... and then run like a skunk when Reality Hotel arrives.

This is exactly why I raised the issue of the engines earlier. We can play 'what if' all day ... and we have. Front first, back first, radio, no radio .... The stairs themselves are a known variable. Perhaps concentrate more on them and stop trying to mind meld with DB Cooper ... until such time as a firm set of facts are known and established. Hey I like whoever is playing around with the format and screen here. I like the new large gezer print! Maybe tomorrow the word THE will take up the whole screen .... the

***Blevins: You say "I don't understand why people poke fun at the idea that Cooper may have backed down the stairs and just pulled the ripcord at the end. Carrying the load DB was packing, and the stairs only dropping 24-36 inches on release. What would YOU do? Bend over REAL low and hope the stairs don't drop suddenly? Hmm. I'm not a skydiver, but if you weren't expecting the stairs to open so little, and it happened, (*surprise, Cooper!*) I'm turning AROUND and taking a good hold before trying those stairs. Smile Maybe this is the reason he sounded a little upset in his last com with the cockpit, after the stairs were opened. ('NO!')" I say that I agree with you on backing down the airstairs and also that he pulled the ripcord so that the chute pulled him away from the last stair as it slowly opened. Like we have seen cargo chutes open in some of the video's here in the DropZone. He would have been exposed to about 3 to 4 minutes of the storm he jumped into. Not long enough to freeze to death as the FBI story goes. So, did he make it to the ground alive? yes. Did he survive the shock of the military chute and harness? (Cossey believed it would have been tremendous but he was wrong on many of the things he should have known), yes. Did DB live? Yes and probably walked to his car that was within 15 miles of his landing spot. That is why nothing has been found except at Tina's Bar and that could have been the three bundles of 20's he offered the crew and they refused. He could have stuffed the three bundles into the sack he carried onboard and into his shirt. The bag of 20's could have been blasted out of his shirt and on its way to Tina's Bar. Bob Sailshaw sailshaw@aol.co Quote Where is three bundles of money written in stone? Oh, '3 bundles at Tina Bar', and, 'gave Tina 3 bundles'. Shall I enter that after Exodus 20:13? - another 'Thou shalt'? 'Thou shalt back down unlocked vibrating 727 stairs, like a worm leaving Gomorrah. Do not look back!' I will make this easy! Ole Paper Legs couldn't back down anything.

Robert99 Who worked on the flight path of 305 after it left Seattle? Is that like a trick question or something? You should know the answer to this already. Let's just say LOTS of people. Okay. Radar info. The FBI. Certain people from Northwest Airlines. But you already knew that. If you want to discredit the official flight path, you will have to give PROOF on why it's inaccurate. You're just trying to dodge around all that in order to promote your They-Flew-Over-Tina-Bar-Which-Explains-Why-The-Money-Was-Found-There-And-Cooper-Must-Be-Dead stuff. Quote You write the above and then call Robert99's words: stuff ? What? Did you lose your card up your sleeve, or the written answer on the bottom of your shoe, or the pea under thimble no.3? Compose yourself. Concentrate. The correct answer may come - . I love your stupid tests of the maldum fornax trying to humiliate people into giving the answers you don't have and can't come up with to make you look better ... do you take notes, Bernie? Well, uhhhh... who has ever said 305 went straight over Tina Bar? Give us the name of the person? I'm just turning all yellow waiting to hear you give it. Could it have been Bernie Geestman. Or "That Woman" ? Who said that? I'm curious to know. Just consult the bottom of your shoe or the pea under thimble No,.3 Was it Robt99? Well no it wasn't. Who thar hav you in mind? ooo ooo ooo! I know! It was Sluggo. ooo ooo ooo! I know! It was Smokin99. I give up ... tell us, for a change, without us having to tell you after suffering your humiliation and "wage earner sheeple" award? Oh Leviathan with the Blevitron!

Blevins, Do you have some names for these "outside experts"? Robert99 Let's bail Blevins out with some names - Charlie Blevins, grandpa of Robert M. Nellie Snodgrass; psychic extraordinair - Emily Gaposchkin, astro physicist Harvard Chek'nee Canoe; trapper They Ann Them; global map construction Jim Crow; Lakota tracker Jo Weber; mother of They Ann Them Bernie Geestman; evil genius conceived the Cooper Drop Matrix and the Blevins Downfall, tugboat navigator & FBI consultant ...

Quote ... not to mention his propeller hat psychics say he had to have worn to test the wind, backing down the stairs... and his urine bottle strapped to his 'titanium peg leg' made by English speakers in French Can'ada...

Quote Gray gives a different version of McWilliams - quote: "Another kid was Kenneth McWilliams, or Mac, who lived with Kenny off and on for twenty years." Blevins: McWilliams: lived with Kenny during the last few years of Kenny's life and McWilliams wasn't gay. Gray: "Another kid was Kenneth McWilliams, or Mac, who lived with Kenny off and on for twenty years." Choices: last few years of Kenny's life ... (Blevins) lived with Kenny on and off for twenty years ... (Gray) Whose version is correct? Well, I had forgotten his first name was the same as Christiansen's. My bad on that. Should have checked my notes. Not Brian, but Kenneth. Gray's version is basically correct, but so is mine. McWilliams wasn't gay. You already know that from reading the article, and I know it because I interviewed McWilliams' ex-wife in Puyallup, and some people who knew both Christiansen and McWilliams. It's true Mac came and went, but the only time he really lived there full-time was at the end, when Christiansen was dying. He was the caretaker, and as a reward, was left the lot out back. . Well . . . you will excuse me from not taking your word on anything. Had to refer to your notes? My God you wrote a book about these people! Either you know them or you don't. Moreover, I don't think you even know what "gay" is or how it works ... and I am 100% positive your bias would not allow you to enter that into any equation regarding KC, especially if it conflicted with the outcome you are trying to create. In any event Mr. Blevins, Show n Tell is over ... Have a nice dream, with corrections, editions, notes, etc , , , The names are really kind of irrelevant aren't they? These are "people" with stories and facts, aren't they? Or maybe they all have numbers in your system.

On the subject of Kenny's roommates: He had three of them during the last few years of his life. None of them were gay. They were Carolyn and Robin Powell, and Brian McWilliams. Occasionally, in his later years, Christiansen often took in someone who had no place to live. If you read the Gray article, you will see there is absolutely no reason to assume he was anything but nice to these homeless kids. His neighbors say so, McWilliams says so, and so did Carolyn Powell. (Now Carolyn Tyner) However, Christiansen did occasionally have visitors who were gay. Most were, believe it or not, people he knew from his time in the Army. This comes from McWilliams, who was KC's main caretaker after Kenny got cancer. It's mentioned in Gray's article, as well. When KC died, McWilliams was left the lot out back of the house, the one going up the hill. He sold the trees to a logging company, then sold the lot and moved to the Yakima area. Quote Gray gives a different version of McWilliams - quote: "Another kid was Kenneth McWilliams, or Mac, who lived with Kenny off and on for twenty years." Blevins: McWilliams: lived with Kenny during the last few years of Kenny's life and McWilliams wasn't gay. Gray: "Another kid was Kenneth McWilliams, or Mac, who lived with Kenny off and on for twenty years." Choices: last few years of Kenny's life ... (Blevins) lived with Kenny on and off for twenty years ... (Gray) Whose version is correct?

Oh, I believe you. That Regina thing got SO bad that I had to print up a PDF of all 400 comments and mail them with a cover letter to Matt Mullenburg in San Francisco. (Founder of Wordpress) I also sent him an email with the PDF attached. About ten days afterward, the comments began to disappear. The problem was this: People here at DZ were linking back to the article. Sort of a proxy thing. You know...they couldn't say crap like that on DZ, but they made sure viewers HERE, went THERE. I actually felt sorry for Regina. She had no idea of the vitriol out there when you publish a Cooper article. Some people just go bat-shit crazy. These days, if I view an outside Cooper article I don't even try to see if any comments are attached. Later, I started noticing that when certain people posted up here, that similar (but much worse) comments were appearing on the Regina article at nearly the same time. I discovered this by comparing the comments and time stamps. Whatever... I should do another Cooper book. Not about any of the suspects, or even the hijacking. I'd just call it Cooperland. Certainly have enough material to fill it out. Do a book about the Kickass History people telling you to bug out, stop interfering, and leave them alone! Wherever Blevins goes - nothing grows!

Quote Fact: For whatever reason, Mr. RMB has left a wake of personal garbage and accusations everywhere he has been, since becoming active on the internet. Most people just ignore him. Then he brings his history of personal garbage here expecting us to do what ? It was inevitable he would pick a few people here to target and blame for his problems elsewhere, and drag Dropzone into his personal life. [like Jo Weber!]. For all we know it is Blevins posting those negative comments himself - so he will have something to complain and make allegations about. His signature is building straw men to knock down! Who cares! Shutter is right...

Yes, we are waiting for you to MOVE ON any day now Mr. Blevins! You8 are the one running the show here! ITS BELVINS SHOW 'N TELL EVERY NIGHT ... Commander Blevins: if you would give orders and stick to them for five minutes the troops might not wander off .... just a thought? You've been saying "LETS MOVE ON" for three years! MAKE UP YOUR MIND! My tinfoil hat is off for the nite - so wont be able to decipher a thing you concoct. Happy trolling . . .

_______________________________________________ And you are sharing this with me because........... I didn't really want to hear it, Blevins. It's TMI, too much information! I really don't care to hear any details at all about KC's sexual orientation. Save it for the gay porno forum. A little more drama to make fiction a little more interesting, I guess. MeyerLouie Quote Well it is me and Gray who felt it was potentially important. I mean those closest to KC might know his makeup- and his thoughts. Since Im not gay I dont have any particular insight into this but Geoff did name a few people who he felt might have known Kenny best, since they lived with him and/or had longterm relationships with him, according to Gray. That is all there is to this. Whatever else Blevins is trying to stir up or concoct is his problem. This isn't rocket science, I dont think. Blevins work relies on interviews with certain people and leaves others out who might have had important information or insight. That's the issue .... not "gay card" or "pedophelia". Those are Blevins' words and apparantly where his head is at! Everything else is just Blevins trolling . . . I feel a song coming on . . . .

Liar. There isn't one post I have ever made anywhere that even comes close to "raising the Gay card" ? Or mentioning "pedophelia"? Those are your words only. My only reference to "gay" was in regard to those who might have known KC best ... who lived with him or were his personal confidants, who you did not interview and until now have avoided even talking about. I am merely reflecting questions about people closest to KC that Gray and I discussed briefly, given the fact Gray felt Kenny was gay and living accordingly... finding those who were closest to KC who would know his beliefs and sentiments might be able to judge if KC was even capable or planning or had conducted an airplane hijack ... that is the issue at stake; not being gay! You are the one raising "the gay card" and trying to get mileage from some such card! This is calculated on your part but par for your game strategy, as we have come to know you and it. You Blevins are the only person to my knowledge who has ever used these terms you use above: "gay card" and "pedopilia". I don;t even recall Farflung using those terms ever. Using those terms is your exclusive territory and tactic. If you had paid more attention to research as opposed to "tactics" you would not be in the trap you built for yourself today - like Jo is. And you are the one always bringing Credibility up? You surfaced here years ago after someone accused you of being a pedophile - you sought advice and we gave it you ... which will never happen again! We helped you one minute and then you were attacking us the next. You defined who you were, right there. The only other references to "pedophile" or "pedophilia" are yours again, so far as I know - someone accusing you of being a pedophile on Regina's website and on the CNN website. None of which has anything to do with me or anyone else here. This is the world you have chosen for yourself. Point your lying finger elsewhere, Blevinaide! And if you are asking if I am gay? The answer is no. If it matter to you. BTW: haven't we covered all of this once before at your behest? Pull your head out of the gutter, troll. You keep throwing missiles then run saying "Lets move on". Well coward, finally MOVE ON!

Identify 'others'. Do you have emails or direct quotes from Gray you are willing to publish? Otherwise, stop speaking for him unless you're his agent. ***Georger says: We've been over this umpteen times because you keep repeating the same made up stories - ! Name anything in the document on Christiansen that is 'made up'. I have lied about exactly NOTHING. Put up or shut up. Another Gray quote by you. Proof please? The New York Magazine article he wrote is obvious. He did wonder about it. His book starts with Christiansen and Porteous, and although he never comes to a conclusion, it's obvious Christiansen was in his thoughts while writing it. You are also mentioned, of course. You aren't Gray's agent, nor are you his publicist. Maybe you should stop speaking for him without offering up proof. Just a thought. Quote Here's Gray wondering as you call it - Direct quote at the end of Geoff's article on Kenny! "THERE ARE THREE KINDS OF PEOPLE, the poster read. Those who MAKE things happen. Those who WATCH things happen. And those who WONDER what happened. And I wondered myself: Which one was Ken Christiansen? " So Blevins you are even mis-characterising what Gray says he is wondering about! Gray has talked to a number of people about his work on Kenny and you are fully aware of that! After all it was Porteous who put Gray on to Kenny in the first place - yes? Gray did his work and reported back to Porteous and wrote his article, and Gray moved on. Galen Cook among others has talked to both Gray and Porteous about this, prior to your even being involved in this farce to produce a movie script. It's no wonder you despise and fear Galen Cook who knows the whole story! The rest of your remarks are tactical bullshit. $: Where are your interviews of Kenny's gay partners who lived with him for years and knew him perhaps best? Geoff acknowledges they existed; why wont you even talk about them - they are named people thanks to Geoff Gray! $: Where is your acknowledgement of Mike Simmon's live interview with Lyle? ... the interview you denied even existed! Keep wallowing Blevins. It defines you.

The first by Geoffrey Gray only 5 1/2 years ago[/url]. The second by myself and Skipp Porteous starting in late 2009. Gray was fairly convinced KC and Cooper were the same guy. He wondered about it a lot. But he never got to investigate the people Christiansen knew best, or anyone Christiansen knew who may have been involved in the hijacking. I have told Skipp Porteous more than once that he never should have cut Gray from the information loop on Christiansen when Gray started working on his book. Porteous never told me he was going to do that. Since he had met with Gray, and they were in contact, I assumed he was keeping Gray updated. He wasn't. I always thought that was a mistake. The first time I read Gray's book, I figured it out right away and confronted Porteous about it. That's when he told me. Later, at Third Place Books in Seattle, I gave Gray a flash drive with everything we had on KC on it. But the book was already out and Gray was already moving on to other things. Quote Gray and others give a completely different account! We've been over this umpteen times because you keep repeating the same made up stories - ! "Gray was fairly convinced KC and Cooper were the same guy. He wondered about it a lot. " ???? You're putting words in Gray's mouth again ... which Gray has told me is a fiction you keep peddling. It's just one more giant piece of evidence that you and Geoffrey Gray have no relationship whatever ... just as Gray says. Who started Gray even looking at KC and how? I wont even bother posing more questions because you won't (can't afford) answer them in any event. You claim to have interviewed the people closest to KC? Why did you leave out X, Y, and Z his gay partners who lived with him! ? Blevins you are an incurable creator of bs. trapped in your own myths and lies - like Jo all you can do is keep repeating them over and over again . . . I'm done...said my thoughts....Ba bye......

he is nobody.........one post she will state the man in the photo didn't want to see Duane, another post she says Duane didn't want the man to see him???? "he sure did NOt want Weber to see him." how would she no this without talking to him? "Duane left the area so this man could not see him." who really cares? Its a classic example of Jo building a straw man, literally searching for some hook. And she has been at this with this photograph for years. Not unlike Blevins and what he put everyone through with his "Kenny through the door" photo. In Jo's case is began with a simple inquiry: "who is this guy!" ... she didn't explain much. Then comes back later with several full blown stories concerning the man in the photo and Duane! It's like some people's story of Jo surfacing years ago with a first version of Duane vs. Cooper, allegedly saying: "Duane knew who Cooper was", or "might have known who Cooper was" ... not that Duane was Cooper. All straw men (a weak or imaginary opposition as an argument or adversarial set of false facts set up as a gimmick for the purpose of easy bogus refutation to further some other issue at hand) ... always not true. The users of such arguments assume no rebuttal is possible.

For you to even HINT that BK's story might have some merit only shows two things. You haven't done your history, and you support the slander of a good man's name. And someone else calls ME a troll? What nerve. The trolls are anyone who pushes a ridiculous story like BK's, a story that not only hurts innocent people, but provides zero evidence to back it up. Quote One more Straw Man construction job, by the troll. If trolling is better than rat poison - trolling is good! BK is "hurting people" therefore "Blevins is a good Samaritan and helping people"! Blevins' made up crap is better than BK's made up crap which is hurting people ... or Marla's or Jo's made up crap which is hurting people. Because Blevins' pointing out others made up crap is TRUTH and makes his made up crap good for you ... a little rat poison 24/7 is good for you and TRUTH!

_______________________________________________ I didn't day I bought BK's story, hook, line, and sinker. I said his story isn't any more far-fetched than some of the other stories or theories I've heard. Example: If KC is DBC, I'm the pope. MeyerLouie Fair enough, you had me scared for a moment Sorry...but to put it in the same context for Meyer, I'm STILL scared. And here's why. Meyer: Exactly WHICH elements of BK's story are NOT 'far-fetched?' Making a co-pilot with a distinguished record into a criminal, and slandering a reputation he spent a lifetime building? That would be Bill Rataczak. Or perhaps it's the part where BK brings a dead guy back to life? That would be McCoy. Oh, wait. Maybe it's the part where BK says The Dead Guy (although technically he wasn't dead yet) beat on Janet's door and threatened her for a letter she sent to the Portland FBI. Because he WORKED for the FBI and somehow was intercepting their mail. LOL. He picked that part up just a couple of years ago from the Utah-Standard Examiner interview. Your throwout comment about 'If KC is the hijacker, then I'm the Pope' now has little value, because from your own mouth you (somewhat) support a story that is nothing more than a pack of lies, some of which are SO bad that they hurt innocent people. I mean Bill Rataczak. And others. The truth is, I'm glad you don't consider KC a suspect. You wouldn't make a very good reference. On the other hand, ever since we made THIS available at the website and on Facebook, Twitter, etc. the supporting emails run about 15-20 a week. Thankfully, none of them come from you or Bob Knoss. _______________________________________________ Blevins, Don't be misled into thinking that your theory has any more plausibility and/or credibility than BK's. Quote Don't be mislead into thinking Blevins cares. He doesn't! Trolls don;t care -

Blevins already identified your Salt Lake photo. It's Jack Booby aka 'Jack Ruby'. Play it again, Jo.

[reply thing that no longer works] [reply thingy I had to type on ...] Quote ?????????????????? [what is wrong with this fucked up thread format?] Im sitting here reading this thinking: "what kind of self serving troll and abductor of people's lives would say such a thing ... beginning with the name drop"? A troubled nobody and trouble maker, as Geoff Gray catagorised him? Have fun at other's expense, Dufus. Have you totally lost it? I thought you were an educated guy and stuff. And stop with the Geoff Gray quotes. Let Gray speak for himself. Stop putting words into his mouth, unless you're his agent or your name is really Geoffrey Gray. It's ridiculous. And I'm not an 'abductor of peoples' lives' if you don't mind. You remind me lately of someone who wants to do 'Suicide by Cop' because they've run out of answers in their life. Only in this case, you want to be banned. You're not using me for that. I still think your contributions to the Cooper case are many and noted. State my "many and noted contributions to the Cooper case" ... name dropping BS fabricator. As far as Gray is concerned it's simple, isn't it. Either you or I is a liar! That seems very clear to me. No need for 30 paragraphs of Blevins bullshit.

About Georger: Even through all of his insults, I have always gone out of my way to give kudos to his years of work on the Cooper case. Even when we've had some serious differences. When I mentioned 'credibility,' I meant he was damaging that by engaging in nonsensical insults all the time. It wasn't helping, and I thought it made him look bad. I think lately we've settled that stuff because it was all going nowhere. And so are all these other personal vendettas going around here. [reply thing that no longer works] [reply thingy I had to type on ...] Quote ?????????????????? [what is wrong with this fucked up thread format?] Im sitting here reading this thinking: "what kind of self serving troll and abductor of people's lives would say such a thing ... beginning with the name drop"? A troubled nobody and trouble maker, as Geoff Gray catagorised him? Have fun at other's expense, Dufus.