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Georger stated: As for what's cooking on your stove - how would I know? What's cooking on the Stove? Why does that old express get anyone out of sorts unless they are hiding something or afraid of their own shadow. I don't even know who Georger really is. There is new information I have never been exposed to - that is what's cooking. This is something I read vague remarks about in my research, but didn't seem pausible and no one else thought it needed any further investigation. Jo retorts: You won't know until it is ready to be served. Any more silly question and I just might dump the bowl in your lap. Since it is extremely hot I don't think you will find that very comfortable. Until it is ready to serve - means until all the preparation have been done - research the findings. And not to badger me with questions because the finding are too HOT to be discussed and they are findings that will cause a some to wiggle. Was this directed at Georger - no way! I don't even know who he is. His references to "WE" seem ODD. Who is WE? I will sit out of the thread, but IF I am called a liar I will defend myself and IF things I have said are mistated I will post regarding it. IF you want to solve this thing - go back and find what everyone has missed for 37 yrs. I missed it, the FBI missed it, vaguely touched on by very few and then hushed up. For example; It was just as insignificant as Clara in Max's book stating Cooper wore Glasses...this statement was placed in the text in such a manner that most might not remember it. I have an important phone call regarding this right now. Need to check the pot on the stove. There are many entities that might not like what is in that pot. Not sure I want to eat it myself. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jerry - WRONG! Clarify and oorrect Jerry. When I was talking to Georger I did NOT have a pill in my system. Only after I got off the computer and was preparing for bed at 6AM. The remark about what is Cooking on the Stove. That set him off and he smarted back with "How would I know". He was baiting me to find out "What was Cooking" (this regards the D.B. Cooper story in process). Has absolutely nothing to do with REAL food other than in the sense of what is going on I did not threaten anyone in anyway. In fact I turned Georgers question back on him in a joking way - Thinking that with the questions he asked he was settling back down to earth....and perhaps he just wanted to get something straight. Jerry - all I wanted was for you to stop ATTACKING me every post I make, start telling the truth and to stop calling me a liar.. A good example is the above post - you took the truth and made it ridiculous. After what I have taken off of you I certainly don't need you to speak for me..... Why was I laughing on the phone - This has become the Springer Show (never watch those things) and I figured Georger called you just to see how far you would go and you call me telling you the authorities were coming to arrest me . Think about the remarks said not in jest, but the mean and hurtful things you have said over the yrs Jerry - on the phone and on the forum. I believe that could be classified as Elder Abuse. This is why I was laughing - because you 2 guys have managed to take a wonderful thread and the opportunity to solve the crime and put it in the potty. Georger you need to get a sense of humor. Your ask me a question and I answered it adding a metaphor about What's Cooking! Don't you have a Wife or Mother? Never had them use that expression when they want to know what is going on. Give me a break! - you knew exactly what I meant and what I was referencing. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

As for my dominating the thread - if Jerry didn't attack me I wouldn't have to defend myself and then I wouldn't have to post. Jerry doesn't just disagree with me he attacks my integrity. I think you two guys pull way to much silver while you are posting and he GETs our of HAND. You! - you take a personal PM and post it on the forum - would you have done that had I left my phone number on it? Probably! Placing me at risk and destroying the privacy I have here. It was an after thought that told me NOT to put my phone number in that PM. Frankly - you owe me an apology. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I was May 25 1996 when I read the book and contacted the FBI. Duane died March 28 1995. Georger stated: So which is it, 1996 or 1997 when you read Tosaw's book? Your new date as of tonight is now early in 1996. Jo retorts: The book I read in May of 1996 was a part fiction and part fact - called D.B. Cooper What Really Happened. I ordered Tosaws book after Himmelsbach told me about it. Remember I did not even have a computer in 1996 - not until 2000. Georger stated: And why would you have to go to a library when you already had NORJACK in your house (since 1986?)? Jo retorts You don't read much do you? How many time do I have to repeat the story about NORJACK. The book for 1986 I never got to read. Remember - I told Duane I wanted to read it when he got through with it - he told me it was nothing I would be interested in. When I asked later about the book - it was gone. He said one of the guys at the office wanted to read it. It was after I talked to Himmelsbach that he sent me a copy of NORJACK in 1996 after I had read the Max Gunther book in May of 1996. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

My Call:

I didn't know who Dan Cooper was and it was 1 yr and 2 months after Duane died I found out Dan Cooper was - D.B. Cooper. Had Duane told me D.B. Cooper maybe things would have clicked before. As it was it took a conversation with a gentleman friend who suggested D.B.Cooper and as the story goes I checked out a book from the library a couple of wks later and that is when I discovered who Dan Cooper was. Himmelsbach's was mentioned in that book. Now you know the rest of the story, but you do know what is cooking on the stove? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Question to all: Should I since letting Jerry know exactly the location of the probable area Cooper walked and his adamant explanation made in anger - reveal to the Media and The FBI that exact location? Jerry's response indicated to me that he just might destroy any evidence that might be left in that location. I have NOT revealed the area in detail for fear of treasure hunters trampling private and/or state owned property. I am not able to search the area myself. I had trusted Jerry to do this. I expect after all these yrs no evidence is left but there is always that small miracle. If "the Tom" who excavated our dog in hopes of finding Duane buried something with the dog is Tom Kaye, (I assume this is what Jerry was hinting at)then he is aware that when we did this the body was in a plastic bag inside of a hard plastic storage container. The dog was buried in 1994 and the body retrieved in 2001. The last time I saw the ticket was prior to the death of our family pet and Duane wanted private time with the remains in the garage. I had already gone to extensive efforts to find the grave site...with metal detectors on my own and with a group in this area. Duane had put something in a pill bottle and I indicated he was putting this with the remains. I thought maybe he had put the papers on the dog in the coffin with with him. After the Cooper thing I thought he may have put the airline ticket in that pill bottle and buried it with "his" dog. The papers on the pet where in our files - so I wanted to know what was in that pill bottle. The state of decomposure was gross - the body was whole, but liquifing - the smell was over powering. It makes me sick everytime I remember it. One of the men who was there - suggested I take the body to someone who could examine it more thoroughly. We reburied the dog and I could find NO one who would excavate him and do a more thorough examination. I expected the body to be dried up not still in early stages of decomposure. Yes, his rubber Duckey had been buried with him. He used that as his "ball". I was encouraged by someone who reads this forum to make this post to clarify what had been said in a previous post. One more clarification: Duane's said "I'm Dan Cooper". This has never been stated differently that I am aware of. When I did not comprehend his explanation of what he was talking about...he said "Oh, F--- Let it die with me!" He WAS not on drugs at that time - they were administered by the nursing staff right after this outburst because they thought he might be upset about his decision to cease treatement. All that evening and the next day he tried to talk thru the drugs - "we" didn't understand what he was trying to say. A few days later - he told me we needed to talk. He didn't want the pills. He was spitting them out into a tissue under his pillow. When the staff found this out they made him open his mouth to be sure he was swallowing the morphine tablets and they also put a patch on him. Just prior to this he had asked me to take him for a drive home. The staff had told me I could take him outside or for a ride. He was a large man and I didn't feel I would be able to handle him so we never took that ride...but, I did take him outside in a wheel chair several times. This story has never changed - there are many things on the web site and that journalist have written where they took literary rights. This is what I have always stated to them. There has never been any doubt what he said when he said "I'm Dan Cooper". It was how he said it --- he cooed out the Coooooooper. He was very lucid and just prior to that we had been discussing some other things that involved his ceasing treatment and my asking him if he was positive this was what he wanted to do. This is when he asked me if anyone else was in the room. The way the room was designed he could not see the entry from his bed. PS: My email address is Homes4ubyjo I am retired, but never gave up that handle, because I always thought I might go back to work after my husband died. I sold a lot of home with that handle. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jim, It never ceases to amaze me how you sum things up so succinctly and with humor. Usually, you can do it in a few words; here, you did it in a few sentences. Reading Jo's comments were usually difficult, often scattered and wandering, but her passion and drive was always there. Her passion to answer the question why her ex-husband claimed he was DB is refreshing...even if she is more than a bit grating sometimes. She's dedicated and passionate. Don't we all have that for the skydiving that we love? She had the unlucky fortune of being thrown into a bunch of the most egotistical, monomaniacal people on the planet: skydivers. From dinosauer skygods to fifty jump wonders she took lots and lots of nasty personal hits. I agree with Jim: We should all be so lucky that we have her passion for a cause--other than jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!--when we get to be her age. I mean, when *you-all* get to be her age, I'm already older than she is. My thanks to all of you and I will make one correction to the above statements;

I am almost at a loss for words here - I have emailed Jerry Thomas and told him never to contact me again. If you doubt the truth of that just ask him. I wont be put in the middle of this! Everything he told you is nonsense. Utter nonsense. That you would use it and involve innocent people to get your way or gain some personal advantage is scorolous. You must feel victorious at everyone's expense. I have no choice but to leave the forum. It's crazy here. Congrats. Georger I am truely sorry I had to do that, I was not trying to be victorious at your expense (you had told me NOT to PM you). Jerry has had a field day at the expense of my sanity - put yourself in my place when Jerry calls me a liar many times over. He didn't care who he hurt as long as he could make me look bad and what he did was beyond (using your words) to get his way and gain some personal advantage. I don't even know what scorolous means - but hopefully it means an intentional act of hurting others. The statement should apply to Jerry - I was acting in self-defense. You have NOT heard the threats Jerry made to me over the phone - he reduced me to begging - literally begging him to please stop what he was saying about me, because he knew calling me a liar was the most hurtful thing he could do to me. I am guessing that what he said about you is true, because otherwise you would not be so upset. Continue to post, because you are needed - I am not. I posted my personal e-mail in what I expected to be my last post - but, I am back today to apologize to you for what you must think of me. Believe me - I didn't know it was true - I expected you to come back with "You're Lieing" the way Jerry does. As I said I have other things I am willing to offer up to the FBI - if they have DNA on Clara from the letter sent to Max. Geoffrey Gray has tried to find Max's files on Clara and Cooper to no avail. Clara's description of Cooper includes glasses - very well hidden in the text of Max's book. It is amazing when you let your mind go back in time and back to the very beginning...I am reading things in that book I read, but did not revisit after talking to a former wife extensively and doing other research. It is as though I am reading if for the first time now....and wish that Max was still alive, so he could answer all of these New Questions I now have. I am going to make another post later today and it will be my last post - I just need to think about what I should and need to say. Mostly THANK YOU to everyone and that I someday have the privilege and honor to meet the majority of you personally. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Who is building a story? What did you tell me in a recent phone call? "Are you going to deny that you told me they now have "COMPLETE DNA' on Cooper. Are you going to deny that you told me they have found parts of the bank bag"? Are you going to deny that you claimed that Georger was a billionaire who created the first DNA labs? Folks, I would have no reason to make these things up - because they fly in the face of what I claim. I am asked to prove what I say - can you prove what you said in that phone conversation or will you deny it? I would have NO reason to lie or make-up such a story as it flies in the face of what I have claimed. Therefore it is now up to you to prove what you told me. I was not going to reveal any of that conversation on the forum, but your statement about ME building Stories or Creating New Features for a book was the last draw. Georger: If what Jerry said is true about you then I am sorry for revealing your position, but try to understand that I have been force to make my stand because of Jerry's accusations. Nothing I have ever said needs to be defended by a lie... Folks: It has been a privilege to post on this forum, but I am tired of being called a liar and accused of fabricating things. Should anyone wish to contact me they can do so at Homes4ubyjo@aol.com. I will read the forum, but I have other pressing things in my life and do not want to spend what is left of my life defending every word I type or speak. Remember this if you remember nothing else - I have told NO lies and I have NO REASON to lie. PS: I am not writing a book nor have I commissioned a book to be done. There is talk of a movie, but I have no idea where that will go - Remember there are a lot of Cooper Wannabe's and several books in the mill....one of those book is Jerry's Search. I expect this is the position he is defending. More power to him - if his search for the almighty dollar is more important than the truth. Jerry's story means having to make me go away. He has used coercive tactics - by finding my push button and that is being called a liar. I can only imagine what a prisoner of war may have experience with such tactics. I have NO reason to Lie and I have told NO lies. I am obsessed with only finding the truth - that obsession does not include lieing or calling others liars, nor does it include financial gain. Now What none of you are aware of: I KNOW Duane Weber was Dan Cooper - and so did Clara. Clara was the youngest of 3 girls and so was Duane's ex. What he told Clara he showed me. Remember that Max had only 6 conversations with Clara - yet, what I know about the ex and her letters to me reflect the very same syntac as the letter to Max. The syntac of Cooper's notes to Max are also the same as Duane's. I have letters from the ex and I will offer those up to the FBI for comparison to the letter Clara wrote to the FBI. They can only compare the syntac and way of saying things. The letter to the FBI was typed and the ones to me are printed. The ex and Duane did go to N.Y. in the early part of 1972. Max reversed what he did glean from Clara - he gave Cooper a past which he did not have. He reversed things Clara told him - to BUILD a story. Max and I discussed things that where common to Clara and to the ex - after I gave him her name and phone number he went to CA. and ended our communications immediately upon returning. More co-incidences! There were many more there than what I have told. I expect the FBI might be able to get DNA from the letters she sent me and from the letter they have have in their possession that was sent to Max. I presume he gave the FBI the orginal and the envelope - as that was the practice of the FBI. If Clara and the ex prove to be the same woman - then what - is that just another co-incidence? The statement about everyone having a little larcency in their hearts - a statement made by Clara in the letter and a statemement made by the ex...just another coincidence and nothing I can prove. The description Clara offered up for the pond and lights and creek are the same as what I was shown - just put on different parts of the map. Max had no way of knowing where Clara was talking about as she was also relating something told to her by Cooper - Max took Clara's words and put them in an area in WA that made sense. He made Clara a resident of Wa. The rest of the story. Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

OK Jo, another big claim: a creek that doesn't show on any map. It would literally amaze me if that statement were proven true. With radar topo mapping satellites giving precise elevations of every square foot of the US how was this creek missed? You have made your claim. Now give your proof. Google Earth should show it clearly, unless they too are part of the conspiracy. 377 I guess I am not coming across in written words correctly. I have only the maps that Sluggo brought to me and some old black and whites sent to me yrs ago. I just do not have any luck reading the things on a computer - I need an actual map infront of me. There is what I call a tributary (draining ditch in Fl like the one in my back yard - it is fed by a spring so it never drys up but it also carries run-off from other areas). I do not know what feeds the one in WA. There is a creek about 6000 ft N. of where the tributary (perhaps what I call a tributary is something else in WA) starts on the map. I don't understand where the water is coming from on the map - it just starts in the woods but doesn't connect to the river and a pond in that area 5000 to 6000 ft. I don't literally mean someone doesn't want me to find it - but, I was told that the body of water I was trying to describe on the phone to others just did not exist. This is because NO one understood what I was TRYING desperately to convey having only seen it ONE time in my life. I couldn't even get the TV Crew guide to understand what I was TRYING to tell them. The young man had only been in the area for a couple of yrs as a student - he didn't "get" what I was trying to describe. No one did except the Angel Udell - and she was my miracle that I asked for when I threw that flower into the Columbia. I am not saying there was a "conspiracy" to keep me away from that area - but I COULDN'T MAKE anyone understand what I was trying to say and obviously I still can't make myself understood. No one is sitting in front of me with the map in my hands so I can show them what I am talking about. Names and numbers of roads where thrown at me like I am supposed to know them. I didn't and the maps that show the rivers and streams has little detail large enough for me to read to get road names. I have to go to an old black and white which does NOT show that area in any detail to get the roads and it doesn't show them the way they are today. The quadrant map that Sluggo ordered for me - I pasted them together to see the area of my search and now I need another piece going further East to see where that river went - but I believe it runs into the Washougal or maybe it runs the other way - the flow of the rivers has been described to me in very very confusing ways. It might seem simple to you guys and makes me look foolish trying to describe it - you need to be sitting in front of me. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

For the past few wks I felt like the end of the world was happening. Earlier this evening I spoke with one of My Guys - I was upset about the lies I have been told and felt very depressed that someone could be so cruel. I was sick about the way I have told the story being twisted to suit the needs of others. We started to talk about the details of the area I tried so desperately to describe in those first few yrs... and that every time I went there in my search - I was told I was lieing. He assured me that his records show that until 2001 - I had NO idea that the water I had been describing was a lake. That I kept telling everyone it was a wide body of water and that the individuals I was communicatiing with in WA to co-ordinate a search for this area never one time told me this was a lake. The TV crew in 2001 took me everywhere, but that lake - it was as though no one wanted me to know what I did see did exist. Thanks to Sluggo I have some maps I would never have had before. Repeatedly I was told that the river I was talking about was Salmon Creek and LaCamas Creek and I have said over and over and over that is was neither of these - I found my creeks, Sluggo - I found my creeks! Thank You. I repeatedly tried to dsecribe this to the dogmatic Jerry Thomas, but he marches to his own drummer. My guy is going to go the river I have kept telling and telling Jerry was the place - but I couldn't find where it connected to the place Duane took me to - we are talking about 6000 ft between this river and the tributary (run-off) that Duane took me. It doesn't show on any map BUT it is there. The map I have doesn't show where the river goes because my map ends just before the Washougal. Jerry told me that this water goes this way and then this way - that is double talk to me. Does the river run out of the Washougal or into it? - that is all that is important. Even that is NOT important. Jerry has insisted that If Cooper was in the LaCames area that he would have to go right thru town to the Marina. NOT SO. In 1971...there was a power line going right to the Marina area that he could have walked late afternoon, evening or morning without being seen. Ask anyone who lived in LaCames near that power line in 1971!!!!!!! What day did they find that boat floating in the Columbia that disappeared from the Marina? Has anyone bothered to go to Washougal and check the old new paper articles? Or would they just rather keep the darn legend going so they have something to TALK about or to debate? At 2:AM this morning I had a miracle - I found the rings Duane had given me. I couldn't sleep and it was cooler so I decided to clean the screen porch and sliding doors. As I was doing that something occured just as I was finishing. I walked right to those rings. Guess what to day is - June 18, 2009 - Duane was born June 18, 1924. Happy Birthday, Cooper. I was giddy (actually laughing out-loud all by my self) thinking about the co-incidence of finding them on this day - and wishing I had bottle of wine to celebrate with. I also got a good report on the Brain and Neck MRI's I had last week, so I guess that is a good thing also. Today is a good day and now I am going to bed. Daddy told me "Josephine, don't you lie to me - it take a genius to lie and you are not a genius". I extend that same advise to another person who has deliberately tried to stress me to the point of nervous break-down - what was the motive? - why lie to me? No, folks I am not going to tell you what the lies were or who, but - they were WHOPPERS and I don't mean Burger King. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Not a tease, -- I can't tell you what is going to happen because I don't know what the result of the interview will produce. Why would I give some others (writers and snoops who frequent this forum and a couple that post occasional, this very hard to acquire contact when the interview hasn't happened yet. I will let you know what comes of it. No, I will not ID my quys at this time - as long as they continue to work on this - it is best NO one know they have ANY connection with Jo Weber. This means that the information they are given will not be tainted in anyway. There is a big difference between doing an interview for general information and one posed on one suspect...REMEMBER - I want the truth not some made-up reply to satisfy Jo Weber. I simply update what I learn as it comes to me - and I have to be careful what I say. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

NO THANKS! not interested. I offered to help without invading someone elses space. If Jerry has his number it was given in confidence. Perhaps Jerry should get permission to give out that number. I have recently been given some very ERRONEOUS information which proved to be OUT and OUT lies. I have been accused of lieing, but I have not lied. When an individual tells lies to make someone GO away or to deliberately hurt that person causing emotion stress is deplorable. These lies may have been told - because this individual stands to loose something if any part of my story is ever proven. Note this is only a guess as to what the motive would be. My "guys" have now taken the reins - as of next wk that ALL important interview will happen. I do not think this interview is will be productive, but may supply "some" information never before known to the public. My "guys" want to check it out. This person is someone never mentioned in this forum nor in any of the research I have acquired. How my "guys" found this person I will never know. A company has been located to check out the public records in WA that I have been seeking. I have asked the FBI and others involved in this "search" but the reply is always I know who owned this or that piece of property in 1971 or 1940's. I will NO longer depend on someone else or the FBI to do what has to be done. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Three of you and several people thru-out the yrs have asked me for the co-pilots contact information. I do not give out private information. The last time spoke to him was about 5 yrs ago - I don't know if what I have is current. I will contact him and ask if he would like to recieve written communication from you through me or another third party. He protects his privacy very closely. If you wish to put your name and address and pbone number in a letter explaining what you need to know - I will see that he gets these unopened by me. First I have to make sure the information I have is still current. We "talk" in these forums, but I don't know who most of you really are.....In my last communciation with him he was coming to see me, but that did not materialize. Perhaps he rethought the situation and decided not to do so and/or was advised not to do so. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Don't forget gravity starts working on you the instant you leave the plane. Also if you can picture that most jumpers would dive not "leap" out maybe that might help you picture it. Failing that go to skydivingmovies.com and see what exits actually look like? And why do you think you can't spot from the door? To be honest Jo it makes a lot less sense to me that Cooper would be hanging on the steps outside the plane waiting for something he recognised. This is exactly what that other posters used to get so irritated about, people who don't have a clue about jumping expressing opinions on the actual jumping part. (Now don't the rest of you get in a huff about being whuffos, the other stuff is good) Not in a huff. That was the kind of answer I was looking for --- simple and down-to earth non technical reply that even an old woman whose highest jump was off a pillar into a lake in KY. All it required was a bathing suit and being stupid...the water was not as deep as a certain fraternity member told me. I was very lucky. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

There was mention of Cooper maybe leaping from the top of the stairs. That sounds real scary. The plane is big and it is moving and he leaps - seems like he might get splattered and I don't mean on the ground, but against the plane itself. For some reason what you guys said doesn't make sense. I also think Cooper needed bearings on what he might be jumping into - so I seriously do not believe he leaped without looking. Remember the film clip we looked at of jumps from a Boeing 727. At that time we even speculated on how close the chutes seemed to open to the plane, but decided it must be just the pictures and optical view from the point of the cameras. Georger stated: Who else was flying that area that night and mentioned turbulence? Is there a third or even fourth account we don't know about that could have implications for nailing down the exact route 305 was flying? That question was answered before: There was mention of another plane, but any reports of tubulence where explained away by the rapid changes in the area. I don't understand why you don't just pick up a phone and ASK the Co-pilot while he is STILL alive. If I did it - none of you would believe me and I wouldn't know how to ask the question or understand the answer - that takes another pilot of 727's during the early 70's. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I have never had a problem with any of that - remember that I am old and I am not a polished writer or even a writer - I just say what I am thinking and it might not come across on paper the way it was meant to be heard in person. My eyes and my expressions can't be shown in a post. Cook gave me a problem when he first started contacting me and HE knows it - he was devious and deceitful (we were talking WAY before DZ days by phone) - but, after it was all done and said he and I respect each other and think you will find he agrees with that. I still think he is using alot of what he and I have talked about to explain his subjects actions, but we will find out when the finished product is on the market. There are certain 'first" about each subject, but you cannot apply all of these "firsts" to a second subject whose ID was not revealed until a later date....we won't know until the book is out. There are several "first" that had never been mentioned until Weber became a suspect...neither here or there - I am not a writers so it up to someone else someday to make my plight known - by then maybe we will know who COOPER really was. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Mayfield was very nice to me when I spoke with him on several occasions. It is the repetition of what is being repeated in this the forum right now that backs him away. I did NOT know he had ever participated in any forum. He did grant interviews back when all of this was going on - but posting - I didn't know that. If you do your research you will find that Mat Meyers had more than one suspect and then lit in on Mayfield making his life miserable. This "reporter or investigator" whatever he was goes public on a man over-riding any power the FBI had. At least I waited for 5 yrs before I went public giving the FBI ample time to do their thing - but the FBI did nothing until they KNEW I was going public. You guys think I am obstinate - and you think my post are biased - go read the locked threads on Unsolved mysteries - 2 of them. If you guys think I am opinionated and control information - you haven't seen NUTHIN until you read how Poyeye and DBCoopercatcher and Awsee controlled things. After the Unsolved Mysteries closed they went to U-tube. Mayfield and Himmelsbach may have differences but at least they didn't let their feelings get in the way of the Cooper investigation...I knew nothing factual about a rift between the two of them - Neither ever said one bad word about the other to me. I am sure Jerry can fill things in on that also. As for me I am not repeating the things I have read in the last few post. Mayfields run-in with the law was relative minor and he had problems related to the DZ he managed - seems like there were some mishaps that he may have been responsible for. Mayfield is not tall enough and he was heavier than Cooper was in 1971 with a fuller face and too young --- I believe this is part of why he was ruled out and he also had an alibi...that from what I was told was solid. I don't remember the details. At first Mayfield reveled the Meyer claims that he could have been Cooper - had 1 or 2 or more interviews untll something happened (I never did know exactly why he suddenly pulled back). Seems as though the writers - Meyer and his group had convince Mayfield about there were Books and Movies and when all of that fell through Mayfield was left holding the bag - with no movie or book rights...and what reputation he had acquired was in the potty. Seems as though there was mention that he "could" still be prosecuted. He let the Meyer group take him for a ride and it probably hurt him in many ways none of us will ever know about. Somewhere during the Meyer jump on Mayfield, Cook comes up with his suspect. There was a time in all of the forums that I thought Cook and Meyer were one and the same...same cockey approach. But then I got to know Cook a little better - after a few altercations. Cook was more systematic in his approach and not dogmatic like the Meyer team was. I am just going from memory and as all of you have told me my memory is flawed. I don't have those capabililties you guys have to search all of these things...but I got 10's of thousands of pages. Mayfield has pulled back for his own personal reasons and I think he should be entitled to state those and not have them stated for him. You know the guy IS alive - if the media hasn't made him terminally ill. One thing for sure - they ruled him out at the time of the hijacking and then again a couple of yrs ago. He and his wife are really pretty nice people - like everyone else - we all have flaws and pasts. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

I won't PM someone unless they ask me to, but somethings I can't and won't say in the forum. I thought if they didn't want the PM they were able to block it. SORRY didn't mean to step on anyones toes or ruffle any feathers. I have answered some questions and sometimes it required a PRIVATE answer. Won't make that mistake again. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

In 1997 when the FBI agent interviewed me I presented everything I had to him. Even I didn't see the significance of this memo until it was caught by someone else - in 2008. It was just another one of those ODD co-incidences. It still doesn't mean anything other than a co-incidence. How many co-incidences would it take to convict Cooper today? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jerry: The maps I have are detailed now - thanks to Sluggo and the LaCames map I acquired - never knew who sent it to me, but it shows LaCames as it was in 1979. Until this forum the last time we spoke previously was 2001 after I got back from WA - since I was the one to call you. We actually have not talked to any extent since 2001 until the last few wks. I have not added to my story - but since there seemed to be some claims that I have changed my story - that was the only part that has changed and due - to mis-communication - me trying to describe something by phone and the perception on the recieving end. It was not just you - there were others that kept telling me I had to have been on the Columbia - no one suggested it could have been a lake and if they did - they certainly didn't explain to me how I could have mistaken a lake for a river. Until my last day in WA in 2001 I did not know the focus of that one place was a lake...not from you, not from the guide hired by the TV Crew, not from Himmelsbach and even the people who befriended me before that trip. The local "friends" had planned on taking me to the Lewis River, but only because I happen chance to have met the truckdriver Udell did the route get changed. After I found Lake LaCames I didn't need to go to the Lewis. Even the TV crew kept talking the Lewis and I kept telling them it was not the Lewis - that we didn't go far out of Washougal. NO ONE told me about that damn Lake except the truckdriver Udell and for that she is forever my "Angel". Jerry you told me that the off duty office was no longer worked for that County and had retired - perhaps you need to re-check that. His relative is my Wa. friend. I am sorry if the truth sounds wild to you or anyone else. I am getting copies made on Thursday and will mail them as soon as possible. When you get the maps we can agree to disagree until then please keep an open mind. One of the maps is too large for any equipment in this area 2X3 - and I don't know how to "mark" a map on the computer...this map is not even available on any map site I have found - it is a cut and paste map - I created the map from an old Metro Guide (you may have been the one to provide this). I have overlaid in felt color tips the pipeline , tracks and powerlines from the old 1979 map...which I will have to do on the copy - for that size they can only do black and white. Mine was very worn from the yrs of handling the taped pages and the folds and creases. Thank you and everyone else for hanging in there, Again I apologize for the posts regarding Weber and I am sorry if the truth as I know it sounds unbelievable, . Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

If I tell you I'll have to kill you - that was the thought that just came to mind. Me live with that kind of secret - NO WAY and he knew enough about me to know he would end up in prison. He could have just left - disappeared, so I guess that meant he loved me - but maybe he needed to control me - making sure I didn't find out. My own mind has explored this many times over and I still do not have a good answer. An Observation here: Are you guys just being kind? I was under the impression the thread didn't want to discuss Weber and yet today all I have done is answer questions? Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

Jerry: You have NOT received my maps, because I haven't sent them yet - I have to do that by snail mail. I do not believe you will be RE-checking certain areas, because I feel I am not communicating to you on a phone what I am trying to tell you as this is what happened in the past. I don't know the names of the roads and things like that - so you loose me. These maps are the ONLY way you are going to understand what I am trying to tell you - and for you to communicate back to me what you have checked. You can't read my mind nor can I read yours. It is obvious that I didn't make my self clear to others what I seeing and what I remembered. I kept trying in the begining to make others understand where I was and what I was seeing - I had only been to WA that one time in 1979 with Duane. When I went out to Wa in 2001 - I knew that where I was being told we (Duane and I ) might have been was not right...because others on the phone kept telling me I was on the Columbia. If this is where you guys are talking about my story changing you have to look at the circumstances. Phone conversations with Jerry convinced me I had to have been on the Columbia - no mention was made of Lake LaCames. Since I didn't know we were on a Lake and told it had to be the Columbia (from my description) this created a lot of confusion for me and everyone else. Jerry and others kept insisting it had to be the Columbia and I kept trying to describe what I saw. Until 2001 I believed what I was told by Jerry and others, until I saw the Columbia for the second time in my life. Yes, parts of that trip did involve the Columbia and I kept telling them about the Other place - where we went North out of the Washougal area...the water was wide and quiet. As soon as the TV crew took me to the Columbia I knew it was ALL wrong. These guys kept riding me around and they never took me anywhere near Lake LaCames. It was extremely frustrating as I was not seeing the things I remembered. Had it not have been for the Angel Udell (unidentified female truckdriver)- I might never have found them. Even the people who lived in WA that were going to assist me that day had a completely different agenda set-up. But, I asked them to take me to the places this "Angel" told me about and there was "my river" but it wasn't a river it was a lake. Everything fell into place about the things I saw and the things he told me - it was ALL there. (I still break apart when I remember that moment as there are tears and lump in my throat as I just typed this). What none of you know is that until that day in 2001 - I was ready to give up...because NO one understood what I was trying to say. Not even Jerry. Be honest Jerry - you never even mentioned Lake LaCames to me or explained that I might have thought it was a river because it was elongated. I kept trying to make my memories and make what I saw fit the area I was told I had to have been in. If this is the parts of what you guys are saying changed - then yes, you are right. The only problem was that NO ONE understood what I was TRYING to say and I had only been to WA in 1979 with Duane. I felt these people lived there and if they said I was on the Columbia then I was on the Columbia - it was a giant puzzle and it wasn't making any sense to me. I kept telling everyone it didn't look like the Columbia and that we went away from the Coumbia. I kept telling them is was wide and quiet - and that it had to be a lazy river. Thank GOD for that truck driver - I never ever got to thank her. I have to go - I am crying very hard right now. The miscommunications created by my not being in Wa or knowing Wa is ALL that has changed. NO ONE - not even Jerry told me that I might be talking about a lake that I was confusing for a river....... Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber