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    Which question are you really asking; Do you believe there was a philosopher/political figure named Jesus about 2000 years ago? or Do you believe that a virgin mother gave birth to the son of God, became a philosopher/political figure, was executed and then rose from the dead to accend to heaven? See the difference? I have no doubts whatsoever about the first question. Yes. I believe he existed. The second question . . . that's a lot tougher to answer. I'm not Jay, but I'm refering to hairyjuan's link that stated Jesus didn't exist at all. steveOrino
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    Agreed, however, there are Roman and other non Christian records of Jesus. I'll help you play devil's advocate: Do we have the original records? Nope. In fact we don't have original records of most writings from that time period. What they wrote on simply didn't last. So we have copies made later. Does it require faith to believe Jesus EXISTED? Nah, it takes faith believe he didn't. We don't have any original writings that say Alexander the Great existed. either. Seriously, do you believe you must have writings from that time period to say a historical figure existed? Those who claim Jesus didn't even exist are as reliable and believable as the UFO people. steveOrino
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    I can. Many "non biblical" writers refer to Jesus. Their works will be found in most college libraries. Men like those in the Jesus seminar are great scholars and very few (if any) would be considered orthodox Christians (belief in the divinity of Christ) but all of them agree Jesus lived, was a rabi and was crucified. Historians record Nero's persecution of Christains and that he blamed them for Rome's burning. Nero didn't invent Christ or a following so willing to die for their beliefs. steveOrino
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    While that article has a vein of truth running through it, I can hardly agree with this statement: United States politicians know that attacking Iran is a sure-fire political winner with the American public I don't think so! steveOrino
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    Thinking the EXACT same thing, Jay! steveOrino
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    I saw a documentary where they were able to dublicate the wounds and path. One thing is usually wrong when people align Kennedy and Connaly. Connaly's seat was considerably lower than JFKs. He was siting more to toward the door than JFK was. BTW the "pristine" bullet is not pristine. Look at it from more than one view. steveOrino
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    As I said, that say a lot more about YOU than THEM. IMHO.
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    say what you guys will, but it seems to me you are either scared, worried, or angered by someone's religous passion. Now I can understand why certain zealots who kill in the name of their god make you feel that way. I can even understand why someone who pushes their religous views down your throats makes you feel that way. But to criticize what Sarah said about her reaction to a movie says a lot abot you and your own religous insecurities. At least that is my impression. hmmmmmmmmmmm steveOrino
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    Don't criticize what you don't understand. Christains believe Christ is as real to them as the person next to them. YOU don't believe that? Great, but what a waste of energy for you to be worried about it. Sheesh! steveOrino
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    A preterist view would agree with you. steveOrino
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    I'm very aware of the extra biblical parts. To me it doesn't take away from a very good portrayal of his passion. BTW. I'm not catholic, nor do I pretend to speak for Catholics, but ther extra parts you speak of are a part of catholic history and tradition. To Catholics (such as Mel Gibson) it would carry equal weight. To me, it is fluff and doesn't offend me any more that the very caucasian looking Jesus. steveOrino
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    What about her passionate response makes you believe she doesn't have understanding along with her zeal? steveOrino
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    Some the gospel writers were eye witnesses (If Matthew wrote Matthew) Mark wrote Peter's perspective. By gospel accounts, Peter was there as was John. I understand if you don't have faith in anything you can't see with your own two eyes, but I'm just curious as to why you think someone's devotion to their religion is weird or undesireable. steveOrino
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    Doable? Oh yes. BTW I think he did it. steveOrino
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    That might be good reading, but that aside, why would you prefer her to be less passionate about her faith? steveOrino
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    Would Genesis make sense if it was an allegorical story about how Jews saw their place in history? Would Revelation make sense if you read it from a preterist view. Not all Christians a fundamentalist, nor creationist, nor premillennial dispensaltionalist.
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    I'm not saying he didn't do it -- however, I am saying it wasn't an "easy" shot, especially for him. He barely qualified as sharpshooter. steveOrino
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    wow! Insightful. they should make a movie about your theory. steveOrino
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    Sappy movies often make some people feel more romantic; war movies make some feel more patriotic. Why would it be strange a religous movie about Christ's passion make a Christian feel more devoted? steveOrino
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    Yep, hitting a moving target 2 out 3 times (through branches w/o leaves) in approx 5 seconds with a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle is ANYTHING but easy. steveOrino
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    A human made movie is backing up your belief??? Dear Jesus ..... Windcatcher, Really. Read and reflect what this poster is saying. Your comments just sound so emotionally driven and trite. Why?? She probably felt that way as she read the gospel accounts of the passion too. This is one of the FEW (if any) Easter accounts that show what really happened. My guess is her feelings are not created by this movie, but that this movie's visual images drove home what she felt about Christ's passion. We are a visual generation -- makes sense to me. steveOrino
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    I definitely believe he was involved but I hardly call his three shots "easy". steveOrino
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    Well .... Hey! Where is my shirt? steveOrino
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    I know, I know, Horse goes, neigh, neigh, WHACK! WHACK! Despite that. What do you think? steveOrino
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    I believe they did the "separation thing" is because they came from a place with a state religion (Church of England) with the King as head of the church. I doubt they had too many issues with Jesus per se. steveOrino