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Yes, I would because being black isn't a choice or a lifestyle. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

The neighbor kid down the street sits on his all day and has no direction in life. If I don't want my kid hanging out him am I a lazyphobe? Does it mean I automatically hate directionless people or could it possibly mean I just don't want my kid hanging around him? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Excellent! See, that wasn't so tough. 21% said it should still be illegal. Are you calling all 21% of those polled extremists? You have no idea what my position is. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Again, you're the only one calling names. He didn't call anyone a queer in that statement. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

I posted a poll from a reliable source that supported my claim. You posted an old dizzy.com poll. If you have something remotely reliable to back your claimes then please post. I'd be happy to read it. Please copy and paste where it says that anywhere on the gallup poll page. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

No, the fact that he calls their lifestyle sinful and wrong, calls them derogatory names and thinks they shouldn't be allowed near his family makes him a bigot. He didn't called them names. He said queer, in the dictionary, means strange. You called them queers, then you brought in the 'dangerous' accusations. Yeah, there is. You keep trying to spin bigotry into something noble. I didn't say it was noble. I said his opinion is different than yours so you think he's a bigot. I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyl but have had several gay friends. I didn't hate them or call them names. I just didn't agree. I bet there are plenty of people who disagree with my life but don't hate me for it. Disagreement does not equal hate or bigotry. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Reference? Blues, Dave Gallup 2nd request: How about a link that shows "a vast majority" want abortion illegal for RAPE or INCEST victims, like Palin does. mnealtx - please note the word "WANT". I said the vast majority only support abortion in few circumstances and Palin would fit into that category of the poll. My point was that she isn't a fringe right extremist in her views. If you want to show a poll on people's opion of abortion in cases of rape, then please do. OK, here's one. Really? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

OK, someone who thinks it's unnacceptable for queers to be around his kids. Either way, it'd take spin of Alastair Campbell-like proportions to make out that he's anything other than a bigotted arsehole. Except for the part where he says the decision should remain at the state level, he's had gay friends, and his faith teaches love towards all people. Just because he disagrees does not make him a bigot. This is a huge, recurring theme in this thread. Disagreement does not equal ignorance, bigotry, or extremism. The absurd amount of hypocricy is, of course, calling these people bigots and extremists because they disagree with your views of 'open-mindedness.' -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Yeah, he's so understanding that he thinks it's dangerous for the queers to have access to children. What a guy! His children. He didn't say anything about your children. Understanding doesn't equal condonding or supporting. I'd say someone who thinks it's dangerous for queers to be around his children is pretty fucking far from understanding. You're the only one who's using the word dangerous. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Yeah, he's so understanding that he thinks it's dangerous for the queers to have access to children. What a guy! His children. He didn't say anything about your children. Understanding doesn't equal condonding or supporting. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

You really should find some other news sources with which to temper your information. +1 Tallk about halluciations. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Yeah, what a dick. Even though he disagrees with their decision, he thinks the marriage laws should be controled at the state level. Even though he disagrees with homsexuality because he is Christian, his faith also teaches love and understanding. How dare we have people like that? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Reference? Blues, Dave Gallup It appears on that page that only 40% think abortion should be "legal in a few circumstance", which would not constitute a majority, much less a vast majority. 54% do think it should be legal under certain circumstances, which would be a majority, though not particularly vast. I suspect this group includes those who oppose third trimester abortions as a matter of convenience. Blues, Dave My bad for being vague in my use of the term vast majority. The closest runner up to 40% and 54% was 28% in both cases. 54% over 28, 17, and 2. 40% over 28, 13, 17, and 3. Maybe 'vast majority' is the wrong phrase. How about, 'Only In Few Circumstances' was the overwhelming choice for those polled. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Reference? Blues, Dave Gallup 2nd request: How about a link that shows "a vast majority" want abortion illegal for RAPE or INCEST victims, like Palin does. mnealtx - please note the word "WANT". I said the vast majority only support abortion in few circumstances and Palin would fit into that category of the poll. My point was that she isn't a fringe right extremist in her views. If you want to show a poll on people's opion of abortion in cases of rape, then please do. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

No that is the topic you chose to focus on, .... Of all the things I listed at your request, you chose to focus on abortion and a story from your personal life. I have not once even critisized you for your choice. In fact, I specifically said I wouldn't comment on your story because it was the decision you and you girlfriend made. Military members voluntarily choose to join. Invalid comparison. If you're pro-choice, the choice to end life, then you should support any military's decision to use force. By your logic, opposing military action and being pro-choice is also hypocritical. I'll spare the capitalized cursing, though. Absolutely. But I guess my opinion is just fucking stupid, right? As are you. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Reference? Blues, Dave Gallup -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

According to Gallup, the vast majority thinks abortion should only be legal in few circumstances. Palin would fit into this group if asked the same question. Rasmussen showed the majority of those polled thought abortions were too easy to get. While her stance is unquestionably conservative, I wouldn't call it extreme compared to mainstream. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. SP is on record as opposing abortions for rape victims. SP believes the government should decide that a rape victim should bear her rapist's child. A rape victim has no choice in the sex and SP want her to have no choice in the aftermath. Maybe you were so star-struck you weren't paying attention to what she has said. Maybe you should read what's going on before jumping into the conversation. You mean post #60 of this thread, the one that said: "No, I am saying someone that thinks a rape victim should have to nurse the child of her attacker is stupid" The post to which you responded. Maybe YOU should check your selective memory before criticizing others. If you'd like to discuss abortion for rape victims then we can. The conversation between rhys and I was about choice abortion by a young couple because it was a mistake. Palin believes that abortion should only be allowed when the woman's life is in imminent danger. The point about rape and incest is a valid one but it opens a whole can of worms. If abortion is only legal from rape victims, what do you think will happen to the number of reported rapes? I'm going to continue following up my posts in this thread by pointing about that differing opinions doesn't automatically make someone stupid. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. SP is on record as opposing abortions for rape victims. SP believes the government should decide that a rape victim should bear her rapist's child. A rape victim has no choice in the sex and SP want her to have no choice in the aftermath. Maybe you were so star-struck you weren't paying attention to what she has said. Maybe you should read what's going on before jumping into the conversation. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

The dems pulled ahead and stayed there when the economy took a dump. The "we're not republicans" campaign hit full stride and McCain never had a chance. Palin's gaffes and portrayal in the media certainly didn't help, but the GOP never had a chance after the market crashed. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

NOT MUCH OF A CHOICE FOR A RAPE VICTIM, IS IT? The one that Palin wants to force to bear the child of her rapist. To the best of my knowledge, he didn't rape his girlfriend. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Just like we narrowly escaped SARS and bird flu. I stopped caring about crap like this when I read a story abut Lunchables causing cancer. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Perhaps a conversation that should be had before sex... Even so, they don't have to raise it. The wait list for adoption is extremely long. You do have a choice. It's called not having sex. I highly doubt anyone forced you to have sex. If they did, then it is indeed inhumane and immoral. All of that being said, calling someone stupid because you disagree is still childish and unjustified. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Not sure what that has to do with anything or how it changes my answer. The temporary sacrifice of one for saving many. I thought I made the temporary part clear in the rest of my post. Carl (or me if it makes you feel better) gets released with compensation after the cell is brought down. Fake my death and send me packing to the Bahamas with a full checking account. No complaints here. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Soon the union will own two of the three. Gotta be a good thing, right? I'm actually kind of interested to see what the union does when it becomes the management. Sounds a lot like this, doesn't it? Holy mackerel, Agnes, the workers have taken over the means of production! Maybe they'll go on strike to demand they pay themselves more. Then they can fire themselves for not returning to work. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.