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I'm a pretty huge supporter of the second ammendment but I can't see any good from mixing bars with guns. The only thing making this marginally acceptable is that those carrying wouldn't be allowed to drink. I can see why people would want to be able to carry in a restaurant that serves booze if they're just going in to eat. Carrying in a straight up bar is just asking for trouble. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

So why was the $700B+ bailout package from the government needed? It sure as shit wan't to keep the unemplyment down. They were your words, Bill. "However, in two years, he will have had more of a chance to do all the tweaking of economic policy he wants (and had time for that to do whatever it will do)" Two year grace period for the President. Unless it was Bush. And the rest of the country is starting to realize it. Hold your applause. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Welcome to the conversation. You're disregard for the contents of this thread before posting are greatly appreaciated. I've said multiple times, and in this thread, that Bush shouldn't have started the bailouts. That's not a free pass for Obama to do whatever he wants. The months since January lay squarely on Obama's shoulders. The very valiant 'it wasn't me' argument is only being played by one side; the only side in control of Washington. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

So when the recession is being discussed, it's Bush's fault. When Obama's policies are discussed, it's 'but the poor President has a very minor influence.' 2 years before Obama can be held accountable for any actions. Got it. I made up my mind a long time ago. The polls are just a reflection of the general public. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Why? Bush did it so it's ok for Obama? The poor handling of the economy and unfathomable spending since January is only one administration's doing. Obama inherited a shitty economy, yes. Thats not a free pass to do whatever he wants and continually blame it on Bush. The number of people polled who still blame Bush is down 8 points in one month. As frustrating as it may be to you, people are starting to hold the current president responsible. He, and you, can't play the 'it wasnt me' card forever. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Agreed. So the fact that Bush started the bailouts (which he shouldnt have) is completely irrellevant to the conversation. Glad we cleared that up. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Wow. You proved my point better than expected. You honestly believe nothing that's happened since January is Obama's responsibility. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Really? Bush put the $T bailout through congress? Bush nationalized the automotive companies? Bush passed a budget with the largest deficit in history (by 4 times)? Bush did all of that in the last three months? Either Bush is doing a fantastic job using Obama as a puppet or Obama is the President and may actually be responsible for his actions. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

6 posts before a BDIF. Outstanding. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/8066/racism_experiments_of_the_1960s.html What the fuck does that have to do with white supremacy in the US? If we wanted to read crap from alternet when we'd go to the website ourselves. Try putting together one opinion or argrument on your own and try again. I 100% guarantee everyeone in this forum is tired of reading that bullshit. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/140791/the_white_supremacist_in_us/#more So now alternet is science. Thanks for the daily worthless update from their website. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Where's the confusion? You typically go with the 'most correct answer' on a multiple choice test. Between hate crimes, IED's, a Pentagon attack, or a protest, what would you say the most correct answer is for low-level terrorism? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

This IS Bush's recession, deny it as you may. And it's Obama's trillion dollar bullshit rescue plan that didn't do what he promised it would. But that's not his fault, right? Bush pushed and pushed for the bill. Bush had fireside chats whining about how high unemployment would be if it didn't pass. Bushed promised the American people that the trillion dollars worth of added debt would keep unemplyment under 10%. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

And of all the people playing the outraged victim on this thread, you have certainly been the most succesful! (Surely you must see it, right? No? Wow.) Clicky You were saying? I thought it was a cheap shot to go after someone's kid. I'm glad he had the cojones and the wherewithall to sincerely appologize. All's well that ends well, IMO. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

You're missing my point. If it's not a life then why can it be murder? And you've made the point that it's just an ebryo or fetus. That's not the case in other areas, so your argument isn't valid. It's a human life. If it's considered murder in some cases then it has to be a human life. It's not just an embryo or a fetus. That was my point. I don't see how I could possibly be more honest about my opinion. I'm against abortion. You and homeboy are making connections to life support, periods, and Bin Laden. Talk about a rational discussion... I had nothing to do with that discussion. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Really? Poor Bin Laden. He's never been convicted therefore he's not a threat. He's never put out any statements claiming responsibility for terrorist attacks or calls for the murder of westerners. But, but, but he's never been convicted... The US is the number one provider of aid in the world. What do you suggest be done? Anti-abortion is not a radical view. Not even close. You believe it to be radical because it's different than yours. Are you even reading? I didn't label myself anything. I'm fairly certain I've never called myself pro-life in this thread. I've said multiple times that if you want to label me anti-abortion then that's fine. It's an accurate statement. So if someone thinks something is ok, it should be legal? That's a pretty open-ended way to make laws. This is pretty similar to "if you call yourself Christian, do not go to doctor when you're sick. Doing so instead of praying Jesus for miracle cure shows that you have no faith, and therefore not a Christian". It is absolutely nothing like that. Not even in the same category. You're just looking for a chance to take cheap shots at religion. Again with the hyperbole and stretching. I'm against abortion, therefore I don't care about AIDS in Africa. It's just rediculous. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

You've stretched yourself really thin in this thread. It's not murder to kill a fetus. Oh, wait. Yeah, it is. Well, people in hospitals being kept alive by machines sometimes have the machines turned off so abortion should be legal. A woman isn't sad about a period. Therefore losing a fetus isn't sad. Therefore abortion should be legal. There are so many stretches and hyperbole in this thread it's rediculous. Bin Laden is a life therefore I can't be against abortion. I'm not pro-life I'm just anti-abortion. Blah blah. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

So, he's a danger to thousands of people and won't stop killing people until he's dead. You're equating a baby (or fetus, whatever) to Bin Laden. It's off the deep end. No. And they shouldnt be killed. Nor should they have been aborted. Not all situations are the same. I don't have a problem with killing Bin Laden. I do have a problem killing someone in the mall. I also have a problem killing a baby (or fetus, whatever). I'm pro all life. Killing Bin Laden will ultimately save lives. If he wants to turn himself in and sit in prison then so be it. If he wants to fight to the death then I won't lose any sleep over it. There are plenty of monitary handouts to single mothers. Even those who choose not to work get extra money from the government for their kids. Again, if you want to call me anti-abortion then that's fine. No argument from me. Again, call me whatever makes you feel better. I'm anti-abortion and anti-choice. I don't think abortion is ok. Personal responsibility is paramount. If they can go out and have sex, then they can support the child (with the government handouts that come from my tax dollars). I'm not. You're labeling me like a bumper sticker. I don't care what you want to call me. How bad of you! What would your Jizzas say? It was sarcastic. Jesus would say don't abort the baby. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

People die natural deaths. Therefore, murder should be legal. The human body rejecting the embryo is not even remotely close to making abortion ok. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

So, getting back to the discussion, what does that have to do with abortion being ok? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Let me know when a fetus goes on a murder rampager or runs a plane into a building and that might be a valid argument. The fetus is alive. It's a life. Pro-life. Anti-abortion. call it whatever you want. Me personally, I don't give them money. I do pay plenty in taxes that goes to single mothers. They chose to have sex. They got pregnant. Why should I open my wallet for their mistakes? Again, call it whatever you want. Doesn't bother me to be labeled anti-choice. You think that the only people who are against abortion are the Christians? You want me to live and believe what you believe. How is that any different? Not in the least. I guess we should just kill all babies to prevent a Hitler or Bin Laden -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Yes, you're right. My bad. I actually have no friends at all. Thanks for clearing up my personal experiences with your suspections. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

How about, "skydivers who jump more often are likely to have a more thorough understanding of body flight than those who stay at home and read about it?" While it's certainly true that the couch flyer could have an equal or even better understanding of the physics involved he likely would come up short in describing the actual experience of the interaction between falling bodies during a four way scrambles competition. By your example, people would not only have to travel, but they would have to live and experience first hand issues like race and socialism. Going to a dropzone for 3 days doesn't make you a skydiver. Go to a socialist state and live under their laws for several years and then you can comment on the subject. Move in with a family of a different race and live as they do for a few months. Then comment on your views of race issues in their area. Simply traveling to a place (for more than 3 days by one poster's definition) doesn't do anything for gathering real insight into another person's life. Nor does it make you a more tollerant or understanding person. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

You're assuming that women always choose to have sex. I was just expounding on your example. Why not implement a policy that requires proof of rape before an abortion is allowed? Not all rapes are violent enough to leave physical scares but they do leave emotional ones. Making abortion completely legal based soley upon the rape example is wrong in my opinion. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Interesting claim seeing as how I posted two cases of people being charged with double homicide for killing a pregnant woman. What information could you possibly have to back up the claim that most women don't ever know they've miscarried. The women I've known who have lost pregnancies were crushed as if it were already born. The pain ended at least one marriage. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.