FallingOsh

If it doesn't work, it doesn't work and should be banned. Cheney called for the release of documents he claimed were edited out of the previously classified information. If there are no such documents, fine. Waterboarding didn't work. The Obama administration should've released all or none. IMO, none. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

The conservative party cares heavily about abortion, gay marriage, and religion. I don't like where the Republican party is right now either, but not giving a shit about conservative issues pretty much aligns you with a different party. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Besides the fact that drowning and being beaten cause injury and death... -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

On what grounds should they realistically be prosecuted on? I know you think they should be hanged for war crimes but the government has said no crimes were committed and noone will be charged. So, realistically, what do you want them charged with that will actually stick? I don't think Pelosi should go to jail. I think she just got caught trying to play high and mighty. Now she's following the standard, It Wasn't Me. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

increase the minimum wage. implement a national health service. reform the drug laws

So now waterboarding has become "some water in the face". Redefining words doesn't work on this forum. Ok. I don't consider waterboarding torture. Waterboarding is water in the face, btw. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

How do you propose (im asking for your opinion, not a copy and paste from alternet) we make the prison system "fair?" Only fill prisons according to quotas? Let people go without charge if they're a certain skin color? Arrest more people of a different race to even out the prison population? Just interested in your solution. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

I've never met FallingOsh, but I'm skeptical of your claim that he has personally put many black men in prison. How many? In what capacity did he incarcerate them? Was he a police officer? A judge? A juror? I have actually never put a person in jail. I've filled out police reports in two different cases that aided in restraining orders and I believe an eventual arrest. Both men were white, not that it matters, so I guess I'm racist towards the white man. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

If they were going to release some pages (which they shouldn't) then they should release all. He said some of their techniques were effective. The accusation of torture depends on your definition of the word. Absolutely. I'm 100% against torture in all cases. Not only has it proven ineffective, it's inhumane and sick. Not torturing is what seperates us from the bad guys. We value human life and they do not. However, I don't think the techniques that have so far been released are torture. Sleep deprivation, standing up until allowed to sit down, some water in the face while the red cross supervises, etc. are not torture in my opinion. If they were successful then the documents need to be released along with the rest of them. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

I'll keep this little gem around for next time you try and use any personal experience in an argument. Google trumps any first hand knowledge. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

If open accountability for Cheney and Bush is embarrassing them, it's not anyone's fault but their own. If it were truly open then that would be a valid argument, which is why Cheney spoke up in the first place. Choice, edited documents were released. There was no open accountability. Cheap shots and a witch hunt are all that's happened so far. Cheney called for the rest of the documents to be released and Obama resisted and has now decided to stop releasing anymore crap. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

A racist outcome is one wherein different people are treated differently because of their skin colors. Trying to create "inmate parity" by creating some kind of racial balance in prisons would certainly be racist. unless you're saying blacks are six times inherently more criminal than whites then the american prison system is obviously, logically racist. why waste your time denying this? (and yes, in the us, as in many other anglo saxon, blue eyed countries, blacks are treated differently because of their skin colour. study after study has shown this quite objectively) So you think more black people are in prison because of racism and not crimes being committed? so you think that blacks are inherently more criminal than whites? I think the prison population consists of those who commit crimes. If you choose to make it a race issue then that's on you. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

...says the person who can't come up with a reasonable argument of their own... -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

That may be a perfectly valid argument. It is, however, completely different than the campaign promise of bringing the troops home by summer. I didn't give him shit for not pulling us out of a depression. I said the economy is still in the shitter so rhys' claim that he has done so many wonderful things is bullshit. The unimaginable deficit is 100% Obama's. Completely irrelevant. Now you're moving to justify Obama's actions as equal to a hypothetical republican win. Hope&change -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

A racist outcome is one wherein different people are treated differently because of their skin colors. Trying to create "inmate parity" by creating some kind of racial balance in prisons would certainly be racist. unless you're saying blacks are six times inherently more criminal than whites then the american prison system is obviously, logically racist. why waste your time denying this? (and yes, in the us, as in many other anglo saxon, blue eyed countries, blacks are treated differently because of their skin colour. study after study has shown this quite objectively) So you think more black people are in prison because of racism and not crimes being committed? -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

He didn't start piping up until Obama released half of the documents on interrogation techniques and results. He cried foul and people immediately start attacking him rather than ask for the rest of the story from Obama. Now Obama is backing off by not releasing pictures which is a good call. I think Cheney should fade away, too. I just can't blame him for sending a 'fuck you' when the White House started releasing selected portions of classified documents to further their own agenda. I don't think we'll continue to hear from him since it seems Obama's administration is backing away from doing whatever they can to continually embarass the Bush administration. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

It's Bush's fault. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Sure I do. Doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he does. Name one. The war's still going (expanding actually), the economy is still in the shitter (getting worse actually), and the deficit is setting a new record (more than any 4 years of Bush combined actually). Scare tactics to gain support... kinda how the stimulus and budget were passed... Let me know when the Arab world, namely Iran and the Taliban, decide to start respecting differences. As stated, many more guns have been sold since Obama's administration took over. So, no, you don't sell too many guns that way. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

what a joke, your beloved repubican party is the biggest bunch of amateurs in town. At least he can speak english, and he has the common sence to protect your country by 'NOT' being an internatonal asshole like your guys like to do. Sweet. He can put words together to make a sentence (when someone else writes it and he's reading it) so let's make him leader of the country. The second part remains to be seen. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Several different times on several different issues in several different directions. I hope he's not messing up the Oval Office walls with all the pin the tail on the donkey. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

+1 Not a surprise, but disappointing none-the-less. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Ok... yes, everyone realizes the danger. So, once again, what was the point of closing Gitmo? Why do they want to bring them to the US and warehouse them forever? If they escape in Cuba, that seems like less of a problem. Also, the Marines are guarding them there. Plus, if they are kept in the US, what about the other issues? Information exchange with other prisoners? Discussions with lawyers are priviledged communications. Wanna bet that there are Jihadist lawyers? Planning done from inside our borders. He has consistently been against the Bush policy of military courts. What is the Obama alternative when dealing with secret documents and testimony? He made promises on the campaign trail that are unsafe and unrealistic. In order to save face he's trying to compromise. Close Gitmo but keep holding them without trial on American soil. Brilliant. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

Do you have a source for that? Google his MegaChurch. Understand, this is pretty much how I view any leader of a MegaChurch. As far as I'm concerned anybody that's taking money "in the name of God" and building MegaChurches can go straight to hell. I thought you were an atheist? My parents and grandparents were good friends with Dr Rogers. My grandfather went on more mission trips and community service trips to other countries than I could ever count. The reason for the megachurch was the rediculous amount of members. Thousands of people were in attendance every Sunday year after year. I don't know who quoted him in the slavery comment or where it can be cited but according to a website on his life: Rogers supported the 2000 revision of the Baptist Faith and Message which states that, "the blessing of racial and ethnic diversity and acknowledged that all races possess full dignity by the creative intention of God." If you honestly believe that having a big church means they should go to hell then I think you're completely missing the point. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

That's a pretty large load of name-calling, one-sided, egotistical bullshit. The majority of Cheney's comments are in defense of Obama's attempts to embarass and prosecute the Bush administration. The reason he's "yelping about documents being held back" is because other documents supposedly only discussing one side have already been released. Uselessly comparing him to Palin and calling him an old insane man is just another attempt to discredit the questioners of the almighty Obama administration. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.

It is, but I'm glad some common sense has finally shown up. -------------------------------------------------- Stay positive and love your life.