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He drove a tank Held a general's rank. In the BuDop raids Where the bodies stank. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

To be fair to you Sluggo, I too thought there might be something to Jo's story early on. Remember how I used to defend her and urge others to keep an open mind? Then she started connecting Duane to JFK, RFK, MLK, Rangers, prisoner smoke jumpers, BuDop, FBI coverups, national security etc and my skeptic/BS meter pinned the peg, bent the needle and burnt out the coil. It is driven by a ratio circuit of claims/evidence fed into a custom IC linear op amp designed by Snowmman. When you divide by zero all hell breaks loose. Snow didn't put in any foldback current limiting in the design in order to to preserve linearity. I think anyone who puts any substance in Jo's grandiose claims today is naive to put it mildly. You get a free pass Sluggo because you made your visit before the claims became absurdly improbable. I had originally hoped to make others more tolerant of Jo but Jo's continous teasing, promising blockbuster evidence and delivering NOTHING, made me come over to Orange's camp. Jo has no real evidence that Duane was Cooper, just unsupported claims and wild speculation. Bless you for giving Jo a chance to present her "proof." Shame on her for not having any. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

G, You say nobody here acknowledges that Duane is a poor match to the witness descriptions and the FBI drawing of Cooper. I'll acknowledge it. Gosset and Braden are better matches for sure. It is hard to imagine that a made up story about being married to DB Cooper would bring in real estate clients. I'd think it would have the opposite effect. To be fair to Jo, it doesn't sound like something she would concoct, but I have never met her. Sluggo has and Jerry has. Sluggo sees her as a stubborn and misguided but sincere person. Jerry sees her as a manipulative liar. I think she is sincere in her highly improbable beliefs, but that's just a hunch. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You got me beat on overall surplus round accuracy Amazon, but did you even nail a DC (Dead Center) with one? Most of my round landings were a LONG LONG way from the peas but on one miraculous day I did nail a DC. I'm with Orange. No more round jumps... well, maybe a MK I short lined PC. My Triathlon 190 is just too sweet to ever go back to those brutal C9 landings. I wonder if Cooper knew about the four line cut and steered his canopy? I forget the details Cossey supplied, but wasnt it an unmodified C9? At night it wold be very hard to see canopy and line details much less cut the right four lines to make it steerable. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Yawn... And why can't you tell us? Who or what is stopping you? Do you seriously think that a case this old has current national security issues? Not a chance. The FBI hasn't proven that Gossett was not Cooper and he sure is a far better qualified suspect than Duane. They haven't proven that Guru was not Cooper either and he sure had the skills (pilot, jumper, tech savvy). You made the Weber=Cooper claim Jo so you need to supply the evidence. You say at various times that you have it, but there is ALWAYS some excuse as to why you can't produce it. Then you blame the FBI. You do this over and over and over. Yawn... You mentioned two days of scrutiny in one of your recent posts. Who was interrogating you for "22 hours"? Sounds like elder abuse to me. You keep referring to "my people." I hope you are not paying them. I find it hard to believe that anyone would devote significant time and resourcres to the Weber=Cooper story if they were not being compensated by someone. You might make a good "mark" for paid investigators who would corroborate your beliefs about Duane, the FBI, the Mafia, RFK, JFK, MLK etc. As for a continuing FBI coverup? Pure fantasy Jo. You mentioned egos. Carr has one. You certainly do. We all do. If Larry Carr could solve NORJACK he would rightly become a LEGEND in law enforcement. That prospect is a highly motivating factor. If you think he would cover up Cooper's real identity in 2009 you are ignoring reality. The FBI owes you no duty to disprove anything. Stop whining about their failure to do you a favor. You burned your bridges there and now cry about having to wade through the river. Again, provide even a scintella of unequivocal evidence that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper and you will find a far warmer welcome here than you've seen lately. Oh, and why have you totally ignored Sluggo's suggestions to solicit help from Jesse Ventura's conspiracy show and C to C AM? Your story has appeal in these circles and who knows what kind of alliances you might forge with listeners and viewers who are less cynical than the folks on this forum? Why not give it a try? Jerry and Georger are not FBI affiliates tasked with silencing you or making you appear irrelevant. They are simply people who flat out do not believe you. It must be really tough to look back on Duane for what he really was: a thief, a con artist, someone so avaricous and petty that he would steal expensive coats from restaurant cloakrooms. He wasn't even smart enough to avoid arrest and conviction NUMEROUS TIMES. It is far more comforting to indulge in the fantasy that he was in the service of our country, fighting our enemies, protecting our leaders, a Ranger, a paratrooper and a smoke jumper. I can understand what pushes you to doggedly pursue a vision of Duane that is glamourous, heroic and worthy. I bet Georger can too. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Look at my previous urban dictionary cite. It could mean many things from killing someone to... well look at the sexual definition. No offense Jo, but if Duane was a state prison inmate believe me he knew quite a bit about that kind of "smoking" too. Do you seriously think ANY of what you posted puts Duane in a chute? If you do you are kidding yourself. If Duane were qualified as a paratrooper or smoke jumper he had to make many jumps. Where? What airport? Which planes? Where was the DZ? How did he keep up his skills so that he could successfully perform a really difficult night jet jump in 71? Why have no pilots come forward to verify these claims of prisoner smoke jumper operations? USFS smoke jumpers have never heard of them either. 377 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

take your pick: 1. JM Wave covert 727 HALO training facility. 2. CA Bureau of Prisons smoke jumper camp. 3. Ranger non Ranger civilian jump school. 4. BuDop on the job Paratrooper training. The FBI has refused to prove that Duane was NOT trained at ANY of these facilities therefore Duane trained at ALL of them. QED. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Take your pick: http://www.urbandictionary.com/iphone/search?term=smoke 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

People have been a little unkind lately Jo but you never examine why. You are the reason. You tease tease tease causing otherwise kind people get fed up and pissed off. It's really that simple. Give just a fraction of the evidence you have promised to deliver and you will be treated a lot better. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Well that certainly puts Duane in a chute. Another family member says Duane was Cooper. Case closed. Move on now, nothing to see here. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Cooper didnt hit a specific landing target, why should we have to? I have well over a hundred surplus round jumps, but only ONE of them resulted in a precision landing in the center of the DZ's pea gravel pit. I had a couple that were miles away. If I ever go to the DB Cooper party in Ariel, I think I'll drive. It really doesn't hold that much draw for me. I can find a bunch of drunks to BS with about Cooper a lot closer to home than Ariel WA. I don't even have to leave the DZ, just hang around for a bit after the last load. If Cooper survived, did he ever attend the party at Ariel? I wonder if the FBI attended? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

People yearn to be heros. The Internet and good old yarn spinning can make anyone a hero for a short period of time. Then the skeptics and Snopers enter the picture and cut the fake heros to shreds. Ted Petruska is famous now, but not as a hero. Duane Weber is famous now, but not as Dan Cooper. Fame is not the same as glory. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Finally some social science comes to the party. Pretty damned interesting. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Brilliant Snow, in a twisted sort of way. The term sick puppy comes to mind. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jumpers have been snagged on jumpships by straps looping around protruding structures. When they finally get unsnagged there is nothing that remains with the plane. Still, would you get a pressure bump if Cooper didnt actually depart? I assumed the bump came primarily from the stairs coming back up when relieved of Cooper's weight, as shown in the FBI 727 sled test. If he were still snagged or hanging on, I assume the stairs would remain deflected downwards and would come back up when he left. I wonder if he could have done sort of a bounce on the stairs to create a bump and then remained on the stairs for another 5 or 10 minutes or even longer. His later departure bump might not have been noticed as clearly as the first one was. If the crew were in a mindset that he had already departed they might miss the second one. Also, if his delayed departure was done during turbulence bumps it might be missed. The Tena Bar money find argues against all that though. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Here is an out of the box idea: Cooper somehow managed to hold on for a while after the pressure bump was generated. I cant figure out how he would have done it though. This amazing "human fly" photo is real. A friend of mine was at the Mojave Air Races when Clay Lacy flew this DC 8 on a VERY low pass with a guy riding atop strapped to a pylon. http://www.airportjournals.com/Photos/0309/X/0309001_2.jpg 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I've often wondered if Ckret knew something that made him say "loadmaster" early in the game before we found out about those Air America 727 jumps. Probably not, but still I wonder. I never noticed pressure bumps from prior jumper tailgate exits from Skyvans, Casa 212s or the C 130 Herc I jumped. I only noticed it in the DC 9 and there were no hinged stairs to rebound. I wonder if it has something to do with a smaller fuselage orifice? I'll ask Jerry to chime in on this one. If Cooper made a successful egress from the suspected landing area in that wet weather wouldnt he have left LOTS of tracks though muddy areas? I don't know the terrain and I dont know about tracking but Jerry does I'll bet. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

So which coyote should I follow? Jerry? Tom? Maybe there are some "serious research" coyotes out there. I just need some good dogs to help me track them. Snow has some really good dogs but they are always tied up on SI projects. The latest project involves "dogboarding" GITMO prisoners. The DOJ has obtained another legal opinion from John Yoo that says such barbaric practices are only war crimes if they are done by people. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow had an intriguing highly qualified suspect who resided in SE Asia right before Norjack. If your neighbors thought you were travelling to the US perhaps never to return you could die and not be missed by them. The absence of hard evidence turns us all into raving lunatic speculators. That's just the way it is down here in the dank Cooper forum cave. We need to get out more. Let's go make some crop circles when things dry out. Lets do it near the Washougal. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks for your map improvment efforts Sluggo. My outlook on Cooper's fate varies with mood, but if he lived and walked out I think his rig would have been found by now. He would not have taken the time to bury it deep as he only needed to conceal it enough so that it wasnt immediately obvious to ground or air searchers. I just cannot figure out why a dead Cooper wouldn't have been missed by someone who would put two and two together. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Another good post by G, but I think there is one more piece of evidence. The FBI must be holding and concealing one piece of evidence that it can use to separate the real from the fake Coopers. Something left on the plane perhaps? People seem to disappear in or from aircraft, but they rarely stay lost forever. Steve Fossett's body and plane was eventually found. Amelia Earharts plane will eventually be found. If Cooper washed out to sea with an unopened rig, even his remains may eventually be found. Bottom trawlers drag up all sorts of stuff from mines and torpedoes to bodies and aircraft wreckage. Some items have been "missing" for decades such as WW 2 ordinance. I think the rig would survive a long time submerged in fresh or salt water. Many states and even the feds have prohibited fishing zones close to shore. Items on the bottom in these zones remain untouched for a long time. Sometimes, at night in foggy conditions, a trawler on the way to a port will make an illegal "beach tow" of short duration inside these prohibited zones. The only thing that looks odd on a radar or transponder plot is the slow speed which can be explained by foggy conditions and safety concerns. Maybe on a foggy night off the Washington coast near the mouth of the Columbia, something strange will be trawled up during a "beach tow." 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good one Orange! Long term coverups are sooooo hard to pull off. The govt is far worse than the private sector at keeping things hushed up. Most coverups are short lived. Tiger Woods had a long run for his money. It is heart warming that we still show Jo some concern. I still wish her well but am really tired of the endless teases. I could write them myself or even program a computer to write them by just constructing sentences using: Duane, coverup, FBI, refused, mafia, assasination, conspiracy, coverup, high places, my people, soon will reveal, evidence, at last, finally, rangers, smoke jumpers, Boeing, little girl, relatives, unspeakable, hidden, Angel Udell, motorboat, bucket, power lines, Jerry, lied, hid, Washougal, Merwin, railroad tracks, night clerk, files, John Collins, cabin, river, lake, furlough, commutation, JFK, tie, RFK. MLK, ticket, SOF, POOF, 727, JM WAVE, CIA, etc. Here is an example of a synth-Jo tease: *********** My people are on to something HUGE and it will expose a part of our government that has for years been acting against the basic principles of democracy and justice. I am not at liberty to tell you the details yet, but what I have seen will prove forever that what Duane told me was true and was only the tip of a horrible iceberg of deceit, treachery and mean sprited work by the FBI. The FBI not only lied, but refused to investigate crucial information I supplied to them and it is so unfair. They could have saved me thousands of dollars and years of grief but chose instead to use the cloak of national security to conceal vital and revealing information held in their files. Jerry and Georger just explode when I post. I don't know what their role is but I wouldnt be surprised if silencing me or making me appear foolish is part of their job. You weren't there when Jerry deliberately mislead me about the local geography in an attempt to get me to give up my quest. Had it not been for Angel Udell he might have succeeded. I cannot be silenced and won't be, but I cannot hurt innocent people or put people in danger. There are people who would kill to keep the truth from being published and I have to take my safety and the safety of others seriously. Soon the evidence will make it clear that I am not a crazy old lady, not obsessed, and not a dumb blonde after all. Just be patient and soon the truth, the whole ugly truth that the FBI tried so hard to suppress, will be revealed. *********** If Jo ever wants to take a few days off I can post for her. I know the drill. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

When will it be known? Without evidence, this is just a tease. You keep promising to produce evidence but it never comes, just more teases. Everyone is tired of this Jo. You are so predictable. Suprise us sometime. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Although I heavily discount conspiracy theories, this isnt the first time a big dollar migration away from a Microsoft product has caused a major blow up. Do those those who leave the flock suffer the pre-programmed wrath of Gates-god? Hope things get fixed soon. I wonder what the "serious research" Sluggo hinted about is doing? I recall Galen saying that a sample of Gosset's DNA was available. Wonder it was ever run against the supposed Cooper tie DNA? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

POOF! 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.