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Smokey the Bear had Ranger training then. He was not a Polar Bear and consequently did not take Arctic Smoke Jumper training with Duane. Duane earned his jump wings at ADAK, class of 67. Windy cold bitch of a DZ, but it bred tough jumpers. Jo posts all these Ranger pictures and then says that she never claimed Duane was pictured among them. So why post them? Why post anything? Sometimes I REALLY wonder if Jo knows that forest rangers and Army Rangers are not the same animal. You do know that don't you Jo? The first are civilians who tend parks, the latter are combat soldiers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Patty "Tanya" Hearst got a presidential pardon. I wonder if Cooper could come up with a story good enough for Obama to pardon him? Jo made me do it. Duane made me do it. I was an MK Ultra CIA mind control victim Snowmman made me do it. Any better suggestions? Good post Farflung. Lots of meat. "Tanya" was quite the convert. She could field strip an M1 carbine and reassemble it faster than all her SLA colleagues. They converted some into fully automatic weapons by modifying the seer mechanism. Jerry's kind of girl. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Forgive him Orange. He hasn't been the same since the collapse of the USSR. He lost the Dacha, the Party privileges, the summer interns from the Ukraine, all that stuff. Have you seen "Good Bye Lenin"? We are doing that for Snow. It takes a big map server and some smart address detection and rerouting, but it works reasonably well. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

The CIA DID recruit prostitutes for MK ULTRA. That isn't disputed. Who took over that work? Could it have been Duane? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, You wrote: "I DID NOT STATE WEBER GRADUATED FROM RANGER TRAINING - have only stated that he had ranger training." PROVE IT! No excuses, just present your evidence. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

If Orange liked it 377 is going to see it for sure. Thanks for the inside scoop on what the "prawns" are. I have eaten crickets and also grasshoppers. They taste pretty good roasted over a wood fire. I did this when I was a kid seeing if I could live off the land in the middle of the SF suburbs on one weekend. There was a weed called miners lettuce. It tasted good too. I ate Anise root, bamboo shoots, insects, made mint tea and was thinking about small mammals (gophers, mice) but felt too sorry for them to kill them. I cheated though and secretly ate ice cream. I won a years supply of ice cream in a contest (designing and naming a sundae) and had to eat my share or my three brothers would scarf it up and leave me nothing. I ate a rattlesnake I killed at summer camp in the Los Altos Hills. Now, knowing more, I wish I hadnt killed it, but back then they were the enemy and I was a camp hero. Rattlesnake tastes really good! I ate salmon livers for years with scrambled eggs on my Dad's commercial fishing boat. It made a fine breakfast. Glad they didnt have toxic levels of Vit D. The salmon livers tasted great, like chicken liver but better. No fishy taste at all. Enjoy your lunch. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I dont do Oprah any more. I am a Coast to Coast AM kinda guy now. I have no time for weeping and wailing when aliens are in our midst and the government is covering it up. Wake up people, before it is too late. Hey Orange, is District 9 worth seeing? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Can anything without a gun whup Polar Bear ass? What about an Orca? Seems like a Polar Bear swimming 60 miles offshore would be a sitting duck. answer.com says Killer Whales do eat Polar bears. White muthaf-----, swims into MY hood thinking he's bad. So who's BAAAD now? Crunch, splash, crunch. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Duane was not an Army Ranger nor was he trained to jump by Army Rangers. You are wasting your time pursuing this highly improbable theory. Sure, there are guys in those photos who resemble Duane (eg first photo, fourth guy from the right back row standing) but that is meaningless. These are Rangers. Duane was never a Ranger. I am sure you will find many people including forensic artists who will say Duane resembles the FBI composites, but thousands of people resemble them. Gossett is a far better match than Duane and so was one of Snow's suspects who was HIGHLY qualifed to make a night jump. Put Duane in a chute prior to NORJACK. You say you can so just do it. It isnt up to anyone to prove he didn't. You made the claim so you need to supply the proof. Are you saying Duane told you to let it die with him but meant the opposite? Odd. Too bad he didn't leave you some of the loot, even a single twenty. It would have prevented so many years of anguish and frustration. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Too much ass whup culture round these parts. I have seen a skyiving T Shirt that says MY SPORT CAN WHIP YOUR SPORT'S ASS. I don't wear one. The DZ at Byron CA is know for the "Byron Love", a mellower DZ vibe. They have T shirts that say BYRON LOVE. I don't wear one of those either. One of mine says: MY DAD IS NOT ALLOWED TO DO HOOK TURNS. It came out of an incident where my daughter Amy, at age 5, walked up to me as I was waiting in line to board the plane at Byron. Amy jabbed her finger into me saying very loudly and stridently "remember Daddy, no hook turns!!!." The other skydivers burst out laughing. For years I would get razzed by other jumpers saying "remember daddy, no hook turns!!!." 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Even more amazing, because of their far lower intelligence compared to dogs, are the aerial photos a giant Bluefin tuna hunting in a cooperative V formation and taking turns eating the trapped prey so they can keep it corraled. I have friends in commercial fishing who say they have seen this behavior on their scanning sonars many times when the water is calm enough to get good returns near the surface. Even smaller tuna such as Albacore do this sometimes. Polar bears are in huge trouble. I hpoe they do not become extinct in the wild. They have been seen swimming far offshore in AK and that looks like a very bad sign. http://motherjones.com/blue-marble/2008/08/polar-bears-found-swimming-60-miles-offshore 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry - you need to backoff on the offensive statements. As far as DZ.com goes Amazon is a known jumper (not by me) and is well respected - And she's big enough and strong enough to open up a can of whoop-ass on many grown men. Trust me on this. You definitely do not want her whooping your ass, especially when she's mad. Jesus, all this talk about people whupping other people. Why? Amazon is the real deal and so is Jerry, they are just different deals. No need to square off. Jerry has a lot of military jumps including HALO. He fought in Nam and he did a lot of survival training. He thinks Cooper landed in the Death Woods from which there was no escape and may have even gone in as a no pull. He spends a lot of time in those woods and I respect his opinion about them. Amazon is a USAF vet who also worked as a survival trainer. She is a very accomplished skydiver. Amazon set a speed record that is about .5 MACH in freefall, which is frigging amazing. She sees the Death Woods as a road riddled well traveled wildland and nothing more. She has spent a lot of time in those woods and I respect her opinion of them. We just have two well qualified people who disagree on the survival challenge posed by those woods. They should share a few beers and compare notes, not threaten to whup each other's butts. We need a little more Ghandi and a little less Rambo here. Whasup Billy, didnt't know you lurked here in the asylum these days. Before you leave, do you think Cooper survived the jump and made it back to civilization or died that night in 1971? Do you think he had made prior jumps? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Have you seen the videos of polar bears carefully camoflaging their black noses with packed snow so they can sneak up on prey? Pretty clever, but when you are stalking Duane, the Arctic Smoke Jumper, you need to be. Georger had a good point about what Duane would have said about all this. He actually said it: "Let it die with me." Jo didn't listen. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

You are modeling this like a piston and cylinder bore. An undersized diameter piston can't create any significant pressure or vacuum. There might be some other phenomena going on in a jet jump like a reflected wave or? I've jumped many planes and done high speed exits and jumped through small doors. I've never heard anything similar to what I experienced on the DC 9 jet jump. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Was that while he was Ranger or Arctic Smoke Jumper? If we are going to invade Afghanistan we need a lot more Duanes. I wonder if we can clone him from some hair samples? That tweezing of his widows peak might have been a deliberate attempt to get robust DNA samples including follicle tissue. Duane knew we would eventually need more Duanes. Duane was right. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I agree, but Cooper could have done all this by accident rather than design. Toss the briefcase first causing a pressure bump, then later gingerly descending only the first step or two and leaping. Its not out of the question. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Thanks for the opinion Amazon. I really want Cooper to have survived. It makes for a far more interetsing story once the caper is solved. Yes, I DO think it will be solved someday. Most big crimes are eventually. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Amazon, What do you think happened to Cooper? DOA or did he make it back to civilization and blend in? Do you think he had prior jump experience? What kind? The fact that the obscure door placard was found tells me that a body should have been found if it was in that general area. Wonder where the briefcase landed? I do not think he jumped with it. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Where is Nigel when we need him to model the theoretical Cooper exit from high on the stairs? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Interesting idea. Wouldn't that argue for an urban LZ target where a businessman would blend in? It would look pretty strange to see a soaking wet businessman walking along a rural road with a briefcase in a winter storm. I DO think one could exit a stock 727 with the stairs down without causing a big pressure bump. The trick would be to minimize stair deflection and resulting rebound when your weight is removed. The key is to leave the plane from a position high on the stairs. I think that would be doable. What do other jumpers think? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Been there, done that. WFFC 2005. I cut away right over the DZ runway with hundreds watching. My main was found quickly but the reserve freebag went into the soybeans adjacent to the runway and despite HOURS and HOURS of careful searching by yours truly, including a flyover, it was never found. It was nuts to spend so much time looking, but I was obessesed. I mean we KNEW where it landed. Sooo frustrating. I hope the pilot chute spring didnt break anything on the harvesting machinery. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Orange wrote: Not necessarily. In my DC 9 jump the pressure bumps appeared to correlate with something passing through the fuselage opening fast. I think if you tossed the bag from inside the 727, you'd get a pronounced bump. If Cooper then transitioned through the opening slowly on the stairs and then jumped before descending very far down the stairs, the bump may have been very minor and gone unnoticed. The FBI sled test might have been misleading in the assumption that Cooper exited from the bottom of the stairs which causes maximum stair deflection then rebound and a big bump. Lets say Cooper had trouble securing all the money. Why not take a small portion and toss it along with the bomb bag or even separately, then jump later? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Hey, is there a support group for Coast to Coast AM addiction? It is soooo wacked out, but I am drawn to it. Jo is ignoring a huge supportive eager resource. Sluggo was right. Just start with the premise of an FBI coverup and they'll pitch you slow balls right over the plate on C2CAM. Here we throw fastballs aimed at the head. Zero tolerance. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

In my youth it was the Tigres and Euphrates. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Congrats Pat! You've done a lot for the sport. Thank you. 377 1st jump 1968 Livermore CA, still jumping. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.