377

No dogma Snow, but you are awfully quick to insult. It really doesn't accomplish much. Why attack Jerry? Wouldn't a civil dialogue be better? Jerry is not the enemy. Neither is Sluggo, Jo or Georger. I get testy with Jo but I've tried not to attack her personally. I am listening to Coast to Coast AM right now. Angels, not an errant Russian missile, caused that glowing spiral in Norweigan skies. It had something to do warning us about the Large Hadron Collider. The guest claims to be a physicist, mathematician and skydiver. As a skydiver he "knew" that high altitude winds would have quickly destroyed the spiral if it were just rocket exhaust. The enduring stability showed it was not a normal event. Tune in. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

A tough as nails drill sgt/survival trainer with a heart of gold. If you didn't have one you'd have omitted the rig part. Happy Holidays. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snow wrote: That's not been my experience. I have a friend who is ex USCG. He doesn't have a degree but he's smart as hell. He was a top main frame troubleshooter for IBM back in the day. He did far more than blindly swap circuit cards. He can fix anything from diesel engines to radar transceivers. A guy I work with has long hair in a pony tail but spent many years in the left seat of a B 52G bomber. He is creative and flexible. Smart as hell too with degrees in law and engineering. There are dummies in uniform and dummies in expensive suits. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jerry, Snow knows a retired soldier isn't likely to have enough spare cash to charter a helo. Can you put Snow (blindfolded) in a 4WD or ATV and get him to a suitable area? I guess he'd just follow the tracks out so maybe a helo is needed after all. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

But remember to run fingerprint comparisons/checks on Snow right before he boards the 727. It would be just like him to "subcontract" the jump to some poor Slovenian guy looking for work while he jetted to Iceland to watch it all on a big screen with Dagbjört, Snædís and Brynja. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snowmman said he'd do it for $1500 a day as I recall. I think I could jump from a 727 with that NB6-C9 rig and get to the ground without major injury even in a storm, even at night, but ONLY with a lot of luck. Without the luck I could have a river landing, a very high tree snag, jagged rocks and all sorts of hazards that would mean a zero chance of safe egress. Without safe egress or assistance, you'd die eventually. But landing safe is just the start. Hypothermia is no joke and I've heard that it can happen in wet weather that isnt even close to freezing cold. Your judgement goes to hell really fast when you are hypothermic. Snow had a lot to say about this but I have forgotten what his conclusions were. I think he disagreed strongly with Jerry. Snow and Jerry know a lot more about wilderness conditions and survival than I do. I am just a fair weather sport jumper. I'd like to reopen the debate about survival possibilities that night. How about getting Hollywood to sponsor your Cooper survival jump Snow? We'd equip you with radio and emergency beacon gear so that you could be found if conditions got too tough. Geraldo Rivera would be the perfect host for this TV special. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

cute motion graphic in post number 14. Let's see what the kids do with Cooper. We sure havent solved anything. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good one Sluggo! He sure looks a lot like Duane Weber in that photo. I liked Snowman's round/square joke too. I wonder why Jo doesnt look into Coast to Coast AM? Based on your recommendation I have listened a bit. A few nights ago it was Electronic Voice Phenomena. Last night it was Chemtrails. Did you know there is electronic proof of life after death? Did you know that those jet contrails you see contain far more sinister chemicals than mere hydrocarbon combustion products? This is serious stuff and it is being covered up by the FBI and CIA. That show is just custom made for Jo. I guess she doesnt like preaching to the choir, which I can understand. Bless her soul for braving the DB Cooper forum on dropzone.com year after year. You gotta admire her tenacity. She isn't taking the easy road. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

He was more like Steve McQueen from a movie scene I said don't mind, but what do you mean your are the one Who will jump from the plane in a round? He said I am the one who will jump from the plane in a round He told me his name was Billy Gene, as he caused a scene Then every head turned with eyes terrified of the one Who would jump from the plane in the round. People always told him be careful what you do Don't go around jumping round parachutes And mother always told me be careful what you jump Be careful what you do 'cause the lie becomes the truth [Chorus] Billy Gene is not Dan Cooper He's just a guy who says Duane is the one But the kid is pretty dumb He says that Duane is the one, but the kid is pretty dumb For countless days and endless nights The law was on his trail But who can stand when he's in demand His schemes and plans Cause he jumped from the plane in a round So take my strong advice, just remember to always think twice (Do think twice) 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Snowmman wrote: FBI surveillance tapes cast doubt on that claim Snow. They show the most intense 45 seconds of your life took place in Iceland. I was having a good chuckle about Jo's suspicions that the FBI or CIA would pay forum posters to silence her. If only the spooks and fedcops were that benign. These agencies know how to silence threats and it isn't done with a keyboard. Jo, once again, post your evidence. By failing to do so you are doing what you criticize the FBI for: covering up. So nobody is interested in Snow's first suspect? Boeing employee, NW smoke jumper, skydiver, Nam experience, grudge, resembles sketch...? Even if the guy isn't Cooper it was a masterful investigative effort by the Indomnitable Snowmman. Provoking Jo is more appealing I guess. Trying to ID Cooper is just so frustrating. I wish Jerry would find the remains and put us out of our misery. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

ya think Judge Judy would accept testimony about a lost airline ticket and parking stub? I mean they used to be in hard copy form. How about sworn testimony about Calif state prison inmate smoke jumpers? There used to be a photo once upon a time. Judge Judy is a self centered moron. Now let's see if I get sued. Bring it on. Perry Mason will be my lawyer. Perry could get Zazi aquittted. No sweat. Hey, I forgot to add: Snow's old suspect was a genuine smoke jumper in the Nortwest and shows up in the smoke jumper alumni web. archives. For real. Jo, where did all the twenties go? Surely you know if you were married to Dan Cooper. Could he spend them freely or did he have to launder them at a heavy discount? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Jo, Just post what probative evidence you have. Simple request. Your endless unsubstantiated claims irritate even those who were initially in your corner. Stop promising, start delivering. The opposite of a coverup is an expose'. Do one. Today not tomorrow. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

??? Were the Prison Break fact checkers asleep at the wheel or did they get access to the FBI files that show the Bureau told the bank that Cooper demanded 1.5 million and got that much currency? Cooper (Duane) was only given 200K. The rest was held in reserve for future coverup activities. Snow is the main drain on the fund these days. He shuts down the entire FBI server system for 30 seconds now and then to remind them that payments need to continue regardless of how much is left in the fund. Most of us here discredit Jo out of frustration. We are doing Snow's paid work for free. Wasn't there something like this on Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Fin? Something about painting a fence? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

plain sight prarie Mary prarie=plain I think you are on to something Sluggo. I once saw a graffiti in a restroom that said "DB Cooper was here". Hey, who can say if it was just a joke or the real thing? The FBI refused to investigate the graffiti. Jerks, always covering up about Cooper. On Armageddon Day, when Jo reveals "the truth" a geyser of fire from hell shall erupt under every FBI office. Jo is kindly waiting until after Christmas to bring down the wrath. Snow had an intriguing suspect that he stopped investigating. This guy resembled the FBI sketch, had a huge well documented grudge, was in Nam and witnessed atrocities, was a skydiver with night jump experience, was living abroad right before Norjack AND worked for Boeing at a time and in a position that may have given him access to 727 tech documents. There are even more intriguing aspects to this suspect if you dig deeper. He probably wasn't Cooper but what a great find with all those qualifications. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I wonder why Jo refers to skyjumpers, a term only she uses? No big deal, but it is consistent. Is she "hiding something in plain sight"? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

If you "abuse" the court system you risk being declared a "vexatious litigant" by a judge and banned from suing or being so highly restricted that you can't effectively litigate. In nearly every large metro judicial district there are mentally ill people who represent themselves in delusional lawsuits againt the government for alleged wrongs such as implanting thought control devices in their brains. The suits get dismissed and then they sue the judges etc. They get declared vexatious litigants and the game is over. The court clerks are directed not to accept filings from them. The same thing can happen to non delusional people who use the courts to harrass people with meritless lawsuits. Truth is always a defense to slander. If it's true it can't be slander. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Can you imagine a jury deciding that ANYTHING said on this forum has serious financial consequences? If you have the money it isn't hard to find lawyers who will pursue cases with minimal legal merit or potential damages. If you really want to see if a case has some money potential try to find counsel who will take it on a pure contingency fee basis. I bet Jo or her outraged friend would have no law sharks rising to that bait. Jerry has nothing to worry about as far as a lawsuit goes. Neither does Georger. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

And when pray tell will this monumental event take place? Really Jo, give us a date for this promised revelaltion. We are waiting. When the truth is revealed the CIA will cease paying Snowmman. Your repeated delays in delivering promised evidence just make him richer. If you really want to hurt Snow then spill the beans. And think twice about threatening legal action. Many lawyers will be delighted to take many thousands of dollars to litigate a defamation case that has provable damages that are a tiny fraction of the fees. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Not me. Douglas builds em tough. How many 50 year old Boeings still fly in commercial service? Many DC 3s and even some 4s 6s and two DC 7s still fly. Sadly no Boeing 377s survive. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

that definition sure rules out skydivers. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Remember when FBI head J Edgar Hoover said "La Cosa Nostra doesn't exist"? The FBI has taken a similar self serving position on Snowmman. Zazi is priority one. The FBI found five "disabled" smoke detectors on his apartment raising questions about whether a "dirty bomb" was being contructed. In response to questions at a closed Congressional committee hearing the FBI SAC admitted that the "disabled" smoke detectors were still affixed to the ceiling and merely had dead batteries, but noted that a Tritium exit sign had been stolen from a theater that Zazi had been known to frequent. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

SOC JUMPER RECRUITING MISSION? 2007 CANON CITY, Colo. (AP) - No, they weren't coming to the rescue. Military officials said 25 heavily armed parachutists who landed in a cornfield on the grounds of a Colorado prison last week were on a training mission but landed about 3 miles off target. "Those were Special Operations Command forces conducting routine training," Army Col. Hans Bush, a spokesman for the command at MacDill Air Force Base, Fla., said Monday. He declined to identify the units that landed at Fremont Correctional Facility but said the target was Fremont County Airport. The special operations troops, which could include Navy Seals or Green Berets, began dropping from the sky at about 4:50 a.m. Thursday. Guards on duty, who are trained to watch the skies following a helicopter escape in 1989 from a prison near Ordway, Colo., held their fire after noticing the parachutists were soldiers. Guards who stopped the men and asked for identification were presented with documents that identified them only as Defense Department employees, Colorado Department of Corrections spokeswoman Katherine Sanguinetti. "We don't know who they were and I'm not sure we'll ever know who they were," she said. "Everyone acted appropriately." The parachute troops were armed only with rubber training bullets. "The good news is everyone was able to quickly assess the situation," Bush said. The Fremont Correctional Facility is a mixed custody facility that houses inmates classified from minimum to administrative segregation. It houses 1,471 inmates and employs about 450 people. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

http://www.scriptologist.com/Magazine/News/news.html The author of FIRESTORM explains his story development: The California Manual of Wilderness Fire Suppression , which was dry. But it held my answer. It contained a graph of best firefighting practices. The graph helps when determining what measures are appropriate for fighting fires of various sizes. The fire suppression manual also said prison inmate fire crews could be employed for fires covering 11,000 acres or more. If a forest fire gets big enough, the U.S. Forest Service will empty out prisons to fight it. That can create opportunities where prison inmates can escape, take hostages, and engage in all sorts of chicanery and mischief. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Shortly after 9/11, the Redding, California Smokejumpers, using a location for the first time for practice jumps, were mistaken for an invading army by a local woman who considered getting a rifle. From the Redding Record Searchlinght: “Smokejumpers preparing for the coming fire season could be dropping into the Swasey Drive Recreation Area as early as next week. The U.S. Forest Service’s Region 5 Smokejumpers, whose base is in Redding, will be using parts of the 1,200-acre area managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management for training through the summer, said Bob Bente, the smokejumpers’ training foreman. The spot west of town will be one of five around the north state used for training. “It’s a new area,” he said. Terrain in the recreation area, which is popular among mountain bikers and hikers, is similar to what smokejumpers — firefighters who get to backcountry blazes by parachute — might encounter on calls, said Francis Berg, assistant field manager in the BLM’s Redding office. “Yet it’s close to town so they can get out there pretty quickly,” he said. Bente said he wanted to give the public a head’s up that the chutists will be coming down. The parachutes should be visible from Placer Road near Swasey Drive, with the first jumps possibly Tuesday or Wednesday, he said. Shortly after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the smokejumpers used a new jump spot south of town, he said. The sight of people parachuting from a plane caused a stir among nearby residents, including one woman who thought it could be an invasion. “She actually contemplated getting a rifle,” Bente said.” 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

No CA prison inmates were smoke jumpers, but some smoke jumpers working in Nam might have become prisoners. http://www.smokejumpers.com/smokejumper_magazine/item.php?articles_id=361&magazine_editions_id=34 Inmate crews fight fires on the ground, but do not and have not jumped in under parachutes. I've looked and looked and find zero evidence to support Jo's contrary claims. However, I cannot prove her claim false, therefore, by "Jo logic", it must be true. http://www.rvfpc.com/wildfire/Wildfire%20Suppression/Inmate_Crews.htm I do think Jo thinks she saw a photo of inmate smoke jumpers. Perhaps it was a movie poster? This is what I found searching for a likely movie. Close, but no cigar. FIRESTORM movie summary **** This Chris Soth screenplay is directed by Dean Semler, the Oscar-winning Dances With Wolves cinematographer who also did cinematography for Waterworld and Last Action Hero. The film's action hero is Howie Long (Broken Arrow), Fox Sports commentator and former NFL star. Wyoming firefighter Jesse Graves (Long) leads a team of smoke-jumpers who parachute into forest fires. Inside a penitentiary, killer Earl Shaye (William Forsythe) devises an escape plan in order to recover a hidden $37 million. He murders a fellow inmate and takes his place in a group of convicts headed out to fight a forest fire. They make an escape, pose as visiting Canadian firefighters, and are ready to look for the loot when retired firefighter Wynt (Scott Glenn) discovers the escape. Shaye's group rescues trapped ornithologist Jennifer (Suzy Amis, Titanic's Lizzy Calvert). Jesse parachutes in, but time is running out, since the original fire and the backfire will soon combine to create a firestorm. Filmed on location in British Columbia with fire-enhancement special effects by Chris Corbould. Not to be confused with Firestorm: 2024 A.D. (1996) or Firestorm: 72 Hours in Oakland (1993). Bhob Stewart, *********** 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.