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Scott, I agree 100%. Performance-oriented training should require a focused Train-the-trainer course. An ITC prior to an instructional rating would be extremely beneficial. Keith Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Having seen most of the globe, I'm receptive to your definition of "over-achievers." Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Have you ever been outside the US? Here's an idea - why don't you head down to Central America on holiday, see how they live and then let us know how that works out for ya. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

When it comes to inducing pain, please remember these three things; 1) bigger hurts more, 2) turn the voltage up and down quickly, rather than allowing the subject to get accustomed to an ever increasing pain, 3) Stop just after they puke so they don't pass out. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

You hire someone with a bigger foot and then don't micromanage them. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

WHile I started in 1981 and jumped for nine years, I had a nine year break coming back in 1999. I only count years in the sport, not on the sidelines. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Sure as soon as you Mow Yard Put Toys Away Feed Pet Put clothes in Hamper Clean spills Dust Put books in a pile Pick up clothes Get dressed Make Bed Empty Wastebasket Bring in Mail Clear table Pull weeds Water flowers Help empty dishwasher Clear table Help make meals Rake leaves Clean bedroom Load dishwasher Put away groceries Vacuum Help prepare dinner Walk pet Clean bathroom Wash car Iron clothes Do laundry Clean kitchen Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I'll be your Daddy. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

We don't want to change the message. We want it to be loud and clear that, "Skydiving is a dangerous activity that can cause serious injury or even death." You really need to understand that a small snag during the opening sequence can cause you to die. Your fault, their fault, nobody's fault; it is the risk you must be willing to sign for; before taking. You don't like the wording... move on. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I jumped at a Cessna DZ where the DZO was the pilot and his rule was - if you farted in the plane, that was all the altitude you got. If that was all the altitutde you got; you had to buy beer for everyone on the load. In a news release; sales of Beeno drastically rose in the region. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I'm going to say that it was roughly six years ago that high-performance turns became most popular. At that time, there was no formalized training and the attrition rate then was more than it is now. Some DZ's outlawed them, some (like mine) placed a moratorium on height of intiating a 180 degreee turn at less than 500' (which soon was still too low for the ever newer canopies which could lose 1000' quickly). Adventurous canopy pilots continued, learned and shared. Over the course of time, formalized training replaced the learn as you go approach. As the result of formalized training, placing recommendations on the downsizing progression, etc. - Swooping has dynamically increased, but the number of fatalities has significantly decreased. If we were having this conversation in 2001, IIRC; we would have been talking about 19 of the 26 fatalities that year being the result of low hook turns. There are two things that I've noticed about this sport since my first skydive in 1981. The manufacturer's learn and improve safety and the skydivers learn and improve safety. We will probably never eradicate fatalities, but we are always on a path of continuous improvement to reduce them exponentially each year. As time goes on; you'll hear the saying, "You can do everything right and still die." There's been skydives where everything has gone wrong and people still live. It's just the nature of the sport. We learn, we share and we do our best to keep everyone safe. You've learned early. Take your time, progress slow, keep safety in mind and always ask questions. Blue Skies... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

You do now. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=markup_help; Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Everything after - was the wrong response. Raise the M3, point at perps, "No, fuck you. Now get off my yard" BLAM!! "Officer, when I told them to get off my yard, they came at me and I was in fear of my life." End of class - next subject? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Can you not borrow/use a different altimeter? Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Shhhh... She's smart and if she knows I know; she won't post the zoom out. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I can't zoom out to see the placement. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Dear DoD; please add... "Unless I change my mind." Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

The real question here is - "What should you do?" It's your skydive - listen to your gut Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

I'll be at Airtight this weekend, but I "believe" the Mullins King Air is going to be at Freefall Express the following weekend for the Hillbilly Boogie - so I'll be there. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/safety/detail_page.cgi?ID=570 Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

1. File Police Report. 2. File Insurance report. 3. Submit all gear descriptions & S/Ns to Parachutist, Skydiving Magazine & on dz.com http://www.dropzone.com/stolen/ 4. File Cypres S/N with Airtec's stolen DB. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Okay, I'll stand down. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Ya!!! And you're the reason I changed from "Nightjumps" after getting a buttload of your PM's, which worked out well anyway cause everyone knew me in person as... Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

OK... We are in agreement. (Sapulpa) If we go a little north and east of Tulsa to a friend of mine's ranch, you'd think you were back in NC. Little more east and we'd be at Garth Brook's place. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

Whoaaa Guys!!! Ft. Silly ain't the same as the rest of Oklahoma. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.