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Or if it's a car that's specifically made to mow down the largest quantity of people in the shortest amount of time. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I'm looking at a business model for a shoreline protection and erosion control company. I live on the Chesapeake and there will be loads of work in that field in the next 50 years. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Wonder why there are still laws against drinking and driving? Clearly it still happens and clearly these laws only hurt law abiding citizens who can safely drive after a couple of drinks, or at least don't kill anybody doing it. Classic. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Let's get you up to speed: http://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/crime-guns/trafficking-straw-purchasing/ "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I think I suggested this in post #1904: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=4748733;page=77;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; ***You can own any gun/firearm that you want. However, it can only hold one bullet and a time. I think it is a great idea that is in compliance with the 2nd amendment. Jerry Baumchen It could be, until you're facing multiple armed robbers. Then you'll just have to say "okay motherfuckers, which one of you gets it? Make my day!" Nice. I actually used to keep my 50 cal blackpowder rifle under my bed with two speed loads between the mattresses. Zero chance of accidental fire or it being used against me and I guarantee that if I unloaded a warning shot down the stairs they'll fly out the closest window with shit running down their leg and bleeding out of their ears. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

that is taken out of context of the full conversation about folks with mental issues, another fail But not by much at all, because the process would be confirming that the person has a mental health issue. You can't report that someone is acting weird and being threatening and take their guns away or take any other action against them, people act like that all the time. What exactly would it be for which you could report them to the police and have the police take action. Pence said it would be a situation where the person is a threat to themselves or a threat to others but how is that process of evaluation and action any different than what we're doing. The bottom line is that in many situations that person needs to do something illegal first. Brandishing a firearm in a threatening way is one of those things but I don't know that we've seen that happen in previous situations, these people appear to be very discreet before they act. It's only afterwards that the signs become apparent. Besides, this guy in Florida is one of the VERY FEW PEOPLE who said things and did things that really merited looking into. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I did a google search with that just after posting and sure enough, David Attenborough and a Giant Hedgehog. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Just responding to yours because you're the last to address it, I know you're speaking sarcastically. There's zero reason to have an age requirement for one thing just because there's one for the other. They have zero to do with each other and a universal "Age of Can" is fairly ridiculous. If anything, keeping those ages to a time when they're under their parent's roof provides a quantity of guidance they otherwise don't have. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Not to invoke a nanny state here but do we really want to create a life event that combines buying your first gun and your first all-night drunken bender? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

You realise that pretty much every other country on the planet also watches hollywood movies, right? Huh? I thought you just had one channel featuring a Hedgehog who wears different hats and then Monty Python reruns from 10PM-6AM. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I gotta ask, this guy "Nunberg"... Is this all a ruse and Nunberg is short for Nothing Burger and Trump set this up as the world longest punchline? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Sounds like he finally got a lawyer smart enough to tell him to STFU before he indicts himself. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Scares you doesn't it? Jerry Baumchen The only thing that scares me is idiotic opinions that will have no real effect in the end. By the way, did you know that no high-capacity magazines were used in the latest Florida shooting? Of course unless you call something that holds more than one high capacity then well you know Yes, he used 10 round magazines and has nearly 150 rounds total. It's suspected that his gun jammed but that's not yet confirmed. Do you think the outcome would have been different if he could only get his hands on a bolt action rifle with a 4-bullet capacity? Edit: Do you think the outcome would have been different if he has a machine gun? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Continue to talk, engage, find things that we can care about in common, and vote our consciences. Time passes; some opinions change, some don't, and new generations change. What do you think we should do -- isolate you forcibly? Prevent you from voting? The real America only works if we are part of it. Wendy P. And these are the kids today who will be making legislation tomorrow: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article200906464.html Can we all agree that this young man, Anthony Borges, has earned the right to speak and to make his voice heard? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Can't believe I let this one slide. That's a dime novel version of Western Expansion, sure there was some bloodshed but there was also widespread recognition that unchecked gun possession was causing problems. The Ok Corral shootout was because Earp, a man who epitomizes a gun fighter in the Wild West, was enforcing a gun possession law in his town. The rest of that stuff is mostly cowboys and Indians BS from 1950's movies. They circled the wagons to keep the cattle from wandering, not because it was a great defense against Indians. The "wild" in places like Dodge City was tamed when they formed their municipal governments and ban concealed carry and then open carry which resulted in a reduction in gun crime. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

The Wild West era was considered to be post Civil War to about 1900 (more recent than 200 years) but we're still also not so unique that we don't share the concept of having unique problems that we need to overcome regardless of our history. If we're so fucking awesome then how about we Cowboy Up and handle this. The cost of an illegal weapon in other countries is through the roof. That's what I call a real outcome. The idea that we need guns because so many people have guns is ridiculous and the majority of proposals make every effort to keep guns in the hands of people who will use them responsibly and who only sell them to licensed people. What is so difficult about that? Even our assault weapon ban doesn't have to be a ban, let's just do what we did with machine guns and let time do it's work. The first legislation on machine guns was nearly 100 years ago and we rarely see a fully automatic weapon used to commit a crime or mass murder despite there being several hundred thousand of them legally owned. What's so difficult classifying a high capacity mag, semi-auto, high(er) velocity chambered weapon the same as a machine gun? You haven't changed a SINGLE WORD of the 2nd Amendment by doing that. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I suggest an annual federal licensing fee of $5,000.00 per firearm that anyone owns. Fiscal problem solved. Jerry Baumchen Another one who thinks the government can solve this problem. You can't legislate morality. C'mon Jerry...you're an intelligent guy but these posts are moronic. How about some real world ideas. Such as what every other developed nation does who do not have the same quantity of mass shootings and gun violence as the United States? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Could you imagine the court case against the shrink the first time someone kills a few people after he/she signed off on their eval. Nobody in the mental health community wants to do that and hold that liability. It's one thing to make a medical decision that someone should not own firearms, that's something that takes a long evaluation and probably proof of violent behavior. The opposite is not true. That would be like the saying of checking for crocodiles, you can only find that it is there, not that it isn't. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I'm 100% with you on this. There is so little understanding in the general population as to what mental health is about. For example, how many have heard anyone but politicians talking about solving gun crimes via mental health evaluations? Here's an idea... Lots of companies require a review of your social media history before they consider hiring you. You turn over your phone and home computer, give them your account passwords or however it's done. Implement that requirement in a background check for gun purchases. As for mental health evaluations being required for a gun purchase, some people can evade detection by bullshitting their way through, but you can't whitewash your social media history. So you think that someone can fake a psych eval but they can't create a fake Facebook profile for posting whatever it is that would indicate them to be unstable? None of that is how any of that works. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Right, but then it's a "school area shooting" and not a "school shooting" so mission accomplished I guess. I picture a future school with armed guards at every doors and backscatter scanners to detect weapons. Students are searched after waiting 30 minutes to get into the school, where they sit in heavily-reinforced empty classrooms and are shown videos (since the school can no longer afford teachers.) You entirely ignore remotely operated drone teachers to cut costs. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrXfh4hENKs "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

And that's basically what we're getting to. Once you've walked out you don't get back in without going through security. But of course now you have hundreds and possibly thousands of kids standing in a large group outside of the building with nowhere to go once the bullets start flying. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

You could stuff the other sets of 30 into another room but the first 30 are dead. Just about any solution needs to address 100% of the schools because you can't pick or choose and there's still very little you can do about saving the first group of people that the shooter encounters as long as the assailant is able to walk into the school unchecked. I'm not even saying it can't be afforded but you have to have a realistic solution. I work on school projects as a commercial electrical contractor and some schools would need to be entirely demolished because they have open campuses or rely on trailer classrooms. I've been to some of these during lock-down drills and I can tell you that what they're doing is no better than the Duck and Cover BS from the 50's. In order to turn these into hardened targets you're at $3m just from me to run wire and hang lights. Throw another $20m per SMALL school on there for the rest of the work. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Because we're talking about a sentence from a 200 year old document that was intended to ensure that we could would have an armed militia to mitigate against a standing army or that standing army becoming a tool of tyranny. Zero to do about defending your church against travelling Christians. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I'm 100% with you on this. There is so little understanding in the general population as to what mental health is about. For example, how many have heard anyone but politicians talking about solving gun crimes via mental health evaluations? There are schools being built with better entrance and movement control but that doesn't help the other 9 out of 10 and remember that the money needs to come from the locality so any additional work needs to get federal dollars. But not to kick the concept out, remember that the assailant are also students much of the time and know exactly what the school does in a lockdown situation. Right now schools are operating by the big sky concept because there's very little that at school can do if the assailant knows who the security staff is, where they'll be, and where the students will be. These things are over in a 5-10 minutes span and one classroom holds around 25 students. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Kind of like how the Christian Bible was rewritten from the original text in the Torah to eliminate items that disproved Jesus fulfilling the requirements of the prophesied messiah. Yeah man, I know what you mean. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher