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I'm not him, but it's not really a "simple question", or at least not a question with a simple answer. In the 19th century, slavery became unacceptable and was abolished throughout most of the 'civilized' world. Why was the US the only country that had to fight a war to end slavery? Comparing other countries and their gun laws and death rates without looking at the larger cultural aspects is missing the point to at least some degree. There's no doubt that other countries are unique but the also have the same social disparities, poverty, drug use, history of firearms possession, gang issues, and mental health issues. There's no perfect fit but other countries DO deal with the same things we do. So again: Why do other developed countries not have as much of a problem (per capita) as the United States? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

They are not as far apart as the data you would use might suggest. That said, I don't give a damn about any other country. You press a straw man argument. So again, and regardless of what you give a damn about and I said nothing about the amount being profoundly different and purely an academic question: Why do other developed countries not have as much of a problem (per capita) as the United States? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Your opinion here is evolving because you're blaming the gun. Not the culture. All the things that you think we should do could be done and it wouldn't change a damn thing. I agree. Take the guns away from society. The nutbags will find some other way to create carnage. Knives, swords, etc. Or even use vehicles to mow people down. The bigger the vehicle, the more carnage. One only need look at what happened the last few years in Europe. One incident claimed at least 80 lives. It has even happened here, in NYC. Nutbags will just find a way. That's great, but we're not just trying to stop nutbags. You don't hear about a driveby nutbag nutbagging innocent bystanders in the middle of a drug turf dispute by throwing Honda Civics out the window. The argument that you can't stop domestic or other types of terrorism just by taking away a single weapon is valid but we've also taken many steps in the past to remove easy access to the types of weapons that do the most damage. THE REASON that vehicle ramming has gained prevalence worldwide is because it's become more difficult to get things like bombs and guns into the target area. BUT if you look at any instance of a vehicle attack, knife attacks, sword attack, whatever you'll see that the things that would protect against those (Bollards, the ability to run, shields) would be ineffective against guns. Guns are the EASIEST way to enter an area and inflict damage with an entirely legal object. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

They are not as far apart as the data you would use might suggest. That said, I don't give a damn about any other country. You press a straw man argument. HAHAHAHAAHAA!! I've never seen someone create a "straw man" argument just by saying it's that because you don't care about the differences in the comparison. You can't answer the question with facts and valid points that support your views. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Being anti-gun is still political suicide. One a countrywide scale, no Democrat is going to beat a Republican by running on a gun restriction platform. It's too easy for a Republican to use that to get voters into the booths and Democrats are too lazy to overcome those odds. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Simple question to you: Why do other developed countries not have as much of a problem (per capita) as the United States? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

No. Derek V Then you're done here. Just say that dead children is the price of how you arbitrarily want the 2nd Amendment to be administered and move on to something else. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

How are you going to prove that Glock was mine? There are no records. This is my point about the universal background check being required. Unless you have a database that shows who owns what firearms, you cannot prove that firearm ever belonged to me (or whomever). Derek V All new guns must be registered, any sale of an unregistered gun must go through an FFL to become registered, all existing unregistered guns handled by an FFL (cleaning, inspection, appraisal) must become registered, any guns inspected in the course of a police interaction recorded and thereafter registered. CREATE THE DAMN DATABASE. Seriously, not that hard. I have a database of every nut and bolt and sale that occurs within my company with a simple bar code scanner. If you have the unregistered weapon then ownership starts with you as owner number 1. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

I'm not missing the point. You are being intentionally obtuse. The criminal fingering the seller would not be the only evidence used to convict. It would start the investigation. Would they always be able to find additional evidence? Of course not. But they would sometimes, and in those cases you have (gasp) enforcement of your unenforceable rule. Note: my stupid iPad won't let me paste in the rest of your post, so I'll paraphrase. You want to ban bump stocks. Great. But that takes away a freedom that other people currently enjoy, so we can't do that. Banning bump stocks takes away exactly the same amount of freedom as banning 100 round drums. Why are you in favor of one but not the other? I suspect it is because you don't own a bump stock. No more, no less. You want to fund the background check system and improve military reporting. Super, I completely agree. However, when you have transfers that aren't subject to the background check system, it is not a complete solution. In addition, just the fact that a weapon has gone missing needs to be addressed with penalties. If "Law Abiding Citizens" are so "Law Abiding" then there shouldn't be a problem. In continuation of the poster above from the UK I envision a program that works much like the blueprint of a Pharmacy or the DMV, the individual is responsible for procuring the correct training and paperwork in order to purchase the weapon only from a FFL, no person to person sales, must go through the FFL. This requires that person to be a citizen in good standing with legal requirements. The gun must be sold with a trigger lock and the person must own a gun safe. The firearms are subject to inspection by law enforcement to ensure they are there. Any weapons that go missing much be reported or else endure a penalty. Unreported lost weapons used in a crime result in a higher penalty to include the loss of a firearms license. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Simple question to you: Why do other developed countries not have as much of a problem (per capita) as the United States? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Yet you propose to post people of whom you also have no idea what they'll do for the quantity of pay they receive as your counter point. You can't have it both ways and the only fact is that the person who's job it was to protect them was unable to do it within the 6 minute attack. If you can't legislate your way out of it then what's the solution, because we're back at this just being the price of us wanting to own guns so we can protect ourselves against people who have guns because "law abiding citizens" are doing a shit job at keeping guns out of the wrong hands. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Are you willing to go to your local school and volunteer RIGHT NOW? Maybe next month? Seriously, you probably can get involved with your local PTA and make it happen. I'm not asking this rhetorically or hypothetically. Are you going to do this? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

You're a veteran, right? GO DO THAT. You can volunteer in many capacities at a school and even if you don't have a gun you can stand watch. I'm absolutely serious, I'm sure there's a school near you, I'm sure there's a PTA and I'm VERY sure they would be happy to have a program in which people at the very least stood watch purely for the purpose of keeping an eye on suspicious people entering or walking through the school. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Florida teacher of the year weighed in regarding parents. >On Thursday, a Florida middle school teacher weighed in with a Facebook post that has since gone viral, declaring it's the parents. Kelly Guthrie Raley's post, which was picked up by Fox News, had more than 600,000 shares as of Sunday afternoon:< https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/02/18/after-school-shooting-parents-blame/349371002/ Lenient parenting is to blame for someone killing a bunch of classmates in a school? I didn't think we'd run through the barrel of bullshit this quickly but we're obviously scraping the bottom of it. Ron, do you think the US has worse parenting than every other developed country in the world? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

And yet nothing even closely related to any kind of collusion. Except for Hillary of course in her campaign! We know for a fact there was collusion there. The prosecutor has made it clear that this specific issue is not related to and does not address any other aspect of the investigation. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

It looks like it is all over but the wiping. No collusion on President Trump's part. The bad guys have been identified, but they will never see a court room over here. With the school tragedy it is not even top of the fold news. Rosenstein has made it clear several times that the "No Americans" is specifically about the indictments towards the 13 Russians and the company, not about the overall investigations. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Within the last week: one teenager making a joke online with their friend and ended up with an entire Sheriff Department in his house, next, I was in a gun and tackle shop Saturday and my girlfriend heard this kid say, "That's pretty nice but it won't fit into my school bag." So, call the police? If that kid was serious and went and killed people is it our fault now? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Meh, fake news...oh wait! Fox News it also reporting it. http://fox8.com/2018/02/16/13-russian-nationals-charged-in-mueller-investigation/ But but bb bb b b b but, I thought this whole thing was a political hit job against Trump? Are you telling me that the FBI is actually pursuing the people who committed the crimes? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

Bullshit. Do you really think it'll solve anything for high school children to call the police every time they think the loner kid is being a little weird? High school children do weird things, they say stupid shit on Social Media, they get angry and get dramatic, they make the wrong moves. There has already been one kid who sent his friend a snapchat as a joke with himself holding a gun and he got himself a visit by the full staff of the local sheriff's department because the other kid's mom saw it. That's not to say that these clues aren't worth looking into but it's not something that as a policy will change anything. Other countries have exactly the same spread of mental health issues as we do and some of them are even worse. The difference is that they don't have shootings ANYWHERE near to the extent that we do. The real question is: Why is that? "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

And the thing is that many of the people with this opinion, that she's irrevocably demonic, can't put their finger on a solid thing for which to hate her. Moderates who have historically not liked her will say that she's a shill to populism and a career self promoter with obviously Leftist stances who leaves her supporters (minorities, Democrats) behind the moment she's earned their vote but moderates also know that Trump is far worse in all of these regards. The ones who really try to hang something on her have to resort to conspiracy theories to validate themselves and STILL won't acknowledge that Trump ACTUALLY has committed many of the crimes of which they accuse her. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

We gave up some rights in Colorado. You said it would help and be enforceable. You were wrong. Now you want me to give up many more rights. there are other options besides gun control, that WILL work. Derek V Gun restrictions in individual states are basically ceremonial, there needs to be a national standard. There is very little stopping a type of weapon in Virginia from getting into Maryland. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

The only defense against gun control that isn't full of shit is that these are acceptable losses and the price of gun ownership. I don't want to hear any of the other bullshit. If you think think guns are needed to protect the first Amendment, BULLSHIT, plenty of other countries have free press and free speech with more guns restrictions. If you think taking guns away only affects law abiding gun owners, BULLSHIT, plenty of other countries with lower per capita homicide and gun violence rates than ours. If you think guns are needed to protect us from a Tyrannical government coming into power, BULLSHIT, hasn't worked and any overthrow has historically occurred with the assistance of the military. If you think there's no way of restricting guns without impeding legal hunting, BULLSHIT, do you think they don't hunt in Canada? If you think that more guns or armed teachers are the answer, BULLSHIT, we're not Isreal and we're not the dime novel Wild West. There is absolutely nothing unique about the United States that makes nearly unrestricted gun ownership advantageous. Our borders are mostly on oceans, with Canada to the North and Mexico to the South. Both of those countries get illegal guns from the US, not the other way around. We therefore can control and monitor what comes in much better than European or African countries with borders that are impossible to control. We have the most powerful and capable military in the world, there is no fucking Red Dawn scenario. Cut the fucking bullshit. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

The biggest reason skydiving won't be an Olympic sport is that nobody wants to watch a group of people touching each other as quickly as possible. They make it look so easy that all it looks like is a group of people touching each other, there's nothing relatable, no story, no arc, no race, it's just people touching each other. There's no frame of reference that makes it look like they're falling or that there's even any relevance to the fact that they're falling. Once you get over the fact that they're skydive you just say, OK, they touched each other 34 times, I wonder if the next group will touch each other 35 times? No, I'll go watch snowboarding... "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

But could you imagine that job? It's probably like herding rabid cats. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

There are several hundred options before the need to flush your dwarf hampster down a toilet. One of those being to just put the damn thing in your pocket and walk onto the plane. "I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher