BobKnoss

"I don't have a grudge against the airline, I just have a grudge." Cap's instructions to Duane EXACTLY!!! THAT is what he was told to say, THAT is certainly what he said, precisely. BlueBird works like a million dollar bet! Slicker 'n snot. Buy the book. Read it. Accept it. You Government at work in the general public. "Deliver us from evil, for theirs is the Kingdom and the Power, and the Glory, Forever.." "In a May 13, 1968 article in the Providence Evening Bulletin, [42] Estabrooks is described as a former consultant for the FBI and CIA, and is quoted as saying that, "the key to creating an effective spy or assassin rests in splitting a man's personality, or creating multipersonality, with the aid of hypnotism. This is not science fiction. This has and is being done. I have done it." P. 162"

Yes, all of this can be verified. It is not my goal to conduct a trial as I have repeated endlessly. If I thought this history was important I would have pulled up my documents. Any information of this nature I present precipitates questionable letters to the editor of my hometown paper. Last I knew he was my religious education teacher. If he is still editor. Anything of any written value is NOT going to be available to me or the general public. If the FBI can't or won't produce it, you will have to dig in the spots where the information was buried, not on the library shelves. Mac did say, however, that if I spent enough time on the computer that I could figure it all out. That's given what I know, that you do not. Not giving you much of a shot at digging up much without making some what-if steps of faith. And here we are arguing about my Doctor's first name? You have a serious impediment to greater learning, my friend. Come on, I'll work with you. Let's play "What-if." You don't have to buy anything. No deposit-no return. It's not like chess or checkers, it's more like a monochrome jig-saw puzzle that lights up when everything is in the right place.

I saw the letter, yes, I opened it and I read it. Not a matter of memory, Willis, he didn't use a first name, or initials. Yes, McCoy stepped in and asked Lorraine K. Long to have me involved in Norjak in lieu of the draft. She called me to ask if I would be willing to participate in a FAA/FBI project and I said "OK". She said I had to do something. Then I was set up with an appointment to see this Dr. David Black. I ignored the fist appointment because he was not my doctor, then got another call from Ms. Long saying I had to go to the appointment. That was when the Blue Bird stuff, the dress uniforms, the inquisition, the 'TOP SECRET" 20 year pact, all that happened. It was a couple weeks after being sent home from the induction physical by the Military physician, whose initials were not E.A.

Willis, what you been smokin'. I'm being my normal jovial smart-ass self. Let's ask something of evidentuary value. I will be happy to tell you, if I know.

I find this Doctors letter very strange, they wanted to put you in Levenworth? what happened to the Doctor? Thayer got a verbal repromand. Practically every other word was "probably" in the letter. They WANTED to get me assigned to McCoy at McCoy's request. If they wanted me in prison, that's where I would have been put.

OK Not surname, initials. We really did not know his first name. Just Doctor. The minister went by "Doctor" too. Dr. David Spear, but that was an honorary title which he abused for his whole life. Just in case you want to look up my preacher, too.

Dr. Thayer of "Thayer, Wandke and Kramer." Dr.s office east across the street from the Methodist Church. Dr. Thayer donated the land for the church and was a board member there. I never addressed him by his first name. Short, red hair, balding, freckles, ant-war, wonderful person. "Another account concerned an emergency medical situation in Truman in which Truman Dr. E. A. Thayer, who happened to be in Fairmont at the time, left Fairmont for Truman by car. He was forced to abandon his vehicle for a horse in Northrop, and he finally abandoned the horse when he encountered a snow drift measuring ten feet deep and forty feet in length. However, he...." Yah, was probably E.A. We never called him anything bur Dr. Thayer. This was the only Dr. Thayer in Fairmont in 1968. So those were probably his initials. I can only tell you what I know. Don't want to give you any false information. PROOF, if you think that's what it is. I'd call it history. Doesn't prove a thing, just dots an i on a piece of paper. Altogether when bound, it makes a book. Which proves nothing. Now, the BYU pin, that's different.

No. Betty Joy Morrow was born September 10, 1933 to Lloyd and LaVonne (Thompson) Morrow at Fairmont MN. She attended school in Fairmont, graduating in 1952. Betty worked from 1952 to 1955 as a receptionist for Drs Thayer, Wandke and Kramer in Fairmont. Daughter of Dr. Thayer was Suzie.

"Not necessarily true. Both Helen Jones and her daughter testified in their interviews that [DUANE] was heavily tanned. The daughter actually described him as 'olive,' and yes...that was as big a surprise to me as it is to you reading it. And no...neither of them had ever seen the FBI's actual description or wanted poster on the hijacker." Heavily tanned and olive are not the same. I have a bottle of olives in the refrigerator. I have a heavily tanned holster for my Silver Patton 45SA. Olives are military issue puke green, George's pistol holster was made in Texas by a civilian and it ain't. Duane was TOLD to use green make-up. I fully expect he did. Blue Bird works.

"Crap - I have found NO TRUTHS in anything you have said. I am protecting NO ONE, but do protect myself against people like you who consistently twist things to meet your own needs or your twisted mine. Please STOP using footprints - again you have NO footprints! You do NOT have any written documentation or photos - you have NOTHING. Footprints was NOT part of your vocabulary until I spoke of the footprints we are chasing. A footprint leaves an impression - one can SEE. You have NOTHING anyone can see other than your twisted story which has evolved from phone conversations and emails with me and others. Every post you make just buries you deeper and deeper in your own excrement." In your opinion...... What I have is NOT opinion, NOT Sashquash tracks. It is FACT. BIG DIFFERENCE! What you state above is a figment of your imagination blown out of proportion by an egotistical uncontrollable drive to make a loved one into someone he was not. You have no FACTS, just notes of conversations with deceivers and pictures of historical value. YOU did not see and hear what I did. You were not even aware of the hijacking until 27 YEARS after my information was recorded. You just don't get it. You have been had, and that's sad. Mama tried. Eventually, stone by stone, we will get there. Fake cover-up will always wash away. Bad guesses are replaced with new investigations or obvious exposures. The BYU pin, the crab west, all the people in this circle-jerk, the FAA history of events, the Japan, Hague and Montreal Conventions, on and on. We are but ants on a leaf floating down the river of life, yelling, "Raise the drawbridge!" Nobody is going to hear you. Nobody will raise the drawbridge. The FBI has the switch, and WE harass them. Don't call me anymore! I'm not taking your calls. You don't tell the truth by your own admission, most of what you told me was a lie. Well, some of it was truth, because I already knew it, you just confirmed it. Like McCoy, the honorable kingpin, James Earl Ray, Missouri, McCord, Mary, Maggie, the rifle, the ticket stub, the Kool-aide, the pocket knife, the no-taste menthol cigarettes, the kids, Chicago, Cleveland, Indian heritage, even his name. All on paper long before you heard him say he was Cooper. I heard him say the same thing 27 years earlier. "I'm going by the name Dan Cooper, but my real name is Duane, no W, no Y, just plain Duane." "What's your last name? "Weber." He was kneeling on the grass along side the NE corner of 9140 Lyndale Ave. So., Bloomington, MN., at 8 AM with a pair of the green springy thingy triangular blade type grass clippers, clipping the grass next to the building, and peeping into lower level bedroom windows. Yes, THAT Duane Weber. I have a witness to the conversation. The guy you say was not involved that you promised to keep out of it. The guy with kids. The kingpin. NOT MAC.

I post up a serious bit back there about the Boeing layoffs, complete with numbers and a picture...and that's what YOU put up in response? That's all you got? What a joke. Just goes to prove you have a built-in problem with yours truly that blinds you to anything I present. Sounds like a personal problem to me... Your objectivity in the Cooper case flew out the window a while back, I think. Yah, GEORGER! Be more specific like me! Hit 'em with FACTS!

"please keep in mind the scale of those particles, in Tom's photos. Compare their relative sizes" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_dioxide

"I mean...he was careful to retrieve the notes, for example, but didn't seem to care about the tie." WHOA!!!! THAT'S WRONG!!!! Duane did not retrieve the notes!! Several were put in a briefcase in the cockpit, stew's notes kept by the stew. One note was given to a reporter in California. You probably have seen the stew's notes, and the first note resides with the kingpin, written by McCoy's hand for Duane. The hijacker that retrieved the notes was McCoy months later. Good thing you DON"T try to write the truth, because you really stink at that, too. Go Fish! "(another part of DB's Grudge)..." He hag no grudge, he was just told to say that as a point of misdirection, so someone could suggest something like the above!!! CREW to the bottom of his black little heart.

"be sure to have all Available information required" What? You want me to cheat? Read Blevin's book? Pull the FBI files out from betwix my sphincter? I'm clay in your hands, Shutterman!

"then please tell the name of the building at 2nd and 3rd ave, and why the FBI was involved with the military with a simple case of deception with getting drafted? Federal building what? lots of Federal builings, but they have names ya know don't get mad, get glad" It is called, "The Frickin' Federal Building" as oposed to the Frickin' Post Office or the Frickin' Federal Reserve Bank. I did not direct the Frickin' FBI, ever. You'd have to ask the Frickin' Selective Service how and why the FBI was directed to be involved. I can only report what I know to be the facts, Your Honor. I'm a Zip-Loc guy. (:#)^

If the court checks this area in question back in 1968 of March, the court will find the said office....correct? One giant frickin' Washington DC type building that covers the entire block. Massive looking Greek architecture with columns and massive stairs. Not exactly an office per se. I think it is still there, too big to move on it's own.

please answer the courts question, along with the reason the FBI would be at a military office you are about to give the name of What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? What FBI? Thayer was in Fairmont, the induction office was in Minneapolis. The FBI went from Minneapolis to Fairmont. I lived in BLOOMINGTON, Mn. where Weber practiced and trained.

Federal Building, Induction.

That is correct, Your Honor.

Spring of 68 probably mid March 68. I drove a light blue 54 Ford 2dr to 2nd St. and 3rd Ave. I parked on the west side of the street (3rd) facing south, about in the middle of the block and walked up a long flight of cement stairs to the building. Nobody else around until I got to the right room. I presented my letter from Doctor Thayer of Fairmont, MN. and went right to the front of the procession to be examined by a Doctor who told me to leave. Two FBI Agents then made a call on Doctor Thayer in person. Thayer called me to advise that he had been given a stern warning and to apologize for causing me any trouble. I told him it was all taken care of, which totally baffled him. And THAT is the truth about THAT.

"...and ONE was able to be part of a Government cover up..." One that you know about. There may have been scores. That hypnosis outfit was no Mickey Mouse affair. That was an expensive rig that had "big operator" written all over it. Opposition to the draft was not a safe position to hold. It generated retaliation. Remember? I do. All of it.

".....Bob seems to have this answer as well, I think we should all pack it in because Knoss has all of the answers to every question asked! AMAZING!" Everyone has some kind of answer to anything you want to discuss. The PROBLEM is not that they do not have a right to have an opinion, it is giving proper weight to what was presented. A wild-assed guess is just a possibility based on questionable logic. An educated guess is also just a possibility, but based on reasonable logic. Reasonable logic does not apply in this case as it was designed by a dislexic pilot. Everything is illogical. Yes, I usually have an answer to most anything based on what first hand information I have. Some of that was pre-jump, some was post-jump. It is all REAL and from the mouths of the REAL people involved. You can scoff and tease all you want, but when someone offers false information it is like, WHOA! that ain't right at ALL! The longer this story goes, the more crap gets added 'til there is no truth left. The truth is still the truth and misinformation may block it's view, but little gold nuggets of truth still shine through the haze and blue clouds of BS. I will sweep home base so you can judge the bad pitches, or good pitches that are not 'on the money'. I just want one of the optional stories to be honest facts. Tease all you want, I will have told the truth. Jo knows most of what I say is right. She has some weird idea for protecting the living conspirators but ratting on the FBI. Well, Ralph and Nick are living, Jo. She won't give up McCoy, or the other guy, just call them 'footprints'. Geoff had to tell it to get it said. So, yes, I know most of the answers, but 'the Crew to protect the other guy' will ALWAYS post a strong and opposing accusation, threat or troll/flame, or scheme to discount my input. Jo will ALWAYS contest what is not consistent with her half-true concoction of whatever it is that she determines is a good reading 'Duane' story. I have yet to see the FBI weigh in on anything! Especially the BYU pin. Take this opportunity to research the BYU pin with me and see if obvious truth doesn't lay beneath that thin web of subtrafuge and deception that can be exposed. I KNOW it and can SHOW it, but YOU need to SEE it. Proof is in the PUTTIN'.

'When will there ever be a break in our favor that doesnt require ten research teams and five labs? Something ordinary@! I could do a rain dance if it helps.' Can we 'pretty please with sugar' make an equal effort on researching the early references and relative sequence of events concerning McCoy's BYU pin?? It is only fair. McCoy now has the pin in his hands. There WAS written FBI documentation on the pin. Where did that go? FBI Agent reports in old books describe the pin. The internet has 'copy' on it. TV films of McCoy's story describe it. When was the pin replaced with the tie clasp...?? WHEN did facts change? When did the Rahleigh's disappear? Drinking cup? What else? Lax security in Evidence handling?? Carr kept the damned tie clip on his desk!! I will support this claim as truth, without exception, forever. It is fact and there is a trail, there are living footprints, and there is written word. There are also those who would profess an untruth, hard as that might be to comprehend! MAC-MAC-MAC-MAC-AFLAC!

'How do you get from magnifier to microscope? Do you Knoss the difference? How and to whom, does your opinion count?' LOVE IT! Matt cares. It's: Crew Training I. M-W-F, 4-5AM RMBlevins. lab. 3 cr. prereq. Eng. 101, Finger Pt., Beg.Troll. class limit (1). Petition instructor. .

"We didn't see anything of significance when we examined the tie clip under a magnifier. The marks everyone is talking about I would guess are processing marks from the stamping machine used to mass produce them. " Tom Kaye Example of the week on how to introduce fuzzy evidence on a guess. 'Nobody saw anything, but I GUESS if you see something it is probably significant.' Leading statement with foul odor. They saw nothing. Carr said, "No markings." 'Caballo de mierda muertos.' 'Hilahin ang aking daliri.'