BobKnoss

You say: "That Tena bar money still drives me nuts. I just can't come up with a good explanation that fits the other evidence." It floated downstream from where it was buried in a 5 gallon milk can that became a bobber in a flood of the area. Cooper lost his whole stash and only got what he pocketed when he dug his hole under a tree by the river at an old dairy farm. Per Richard F. McCoy, Jr. Now, Duane could have lied, but the facts match Mac's story. Had to be upstream from Tena's Bar, obviously. Anything else is pure fabrication. I said so.

I don't know who wrote that, but I wish I knew who did. I see truth there, like having his Emails under the bed to read before going to sleep. Whoever wrote it is well informed. Thank you for your confidence, whoever you are. By the way: “http://%20http://www.unsolvedrealm.com/2011/07/23/d-b-cooper-why-kenny-christiansen-is-not-a-suspect/#comment-1272” page’s address isn’t valid. Whoever wrote it misspelled Christiansen. Who calls people "Mr.?"

Knoss Replied: [BLUE]SURPRISE SURPRISE and THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW HOW TO CONTACT GEOFFRY GRAY...PLEASE DO SO! GEOFFRY CAN VOUCH FOR 92% OF THE POST.[/BLUE] You Knoss, made a complete nuisance of yourself with the co-pilot. The co-pilot's brother did business with you and the only reason you did not get in trouble. He mentioned your contacting his son - and you crossed the line there. He was upset for several reasons - and you can ask Grey if his phone calls to the co-pilot were answered. You Knoss are the reason Grey did NOT get an interview with the Co-pilot! You Knoss have caused a lot of trouble for real people looking for real answers. You have things so wrong you make me laugh. None of your statements are even close to correct. You can't absorb a simple conversation without totally F'n it up. Now I understand why your story is so loony!! This post is consistent with the garbage you try to pedal about Duane. The simple truth of the matter is now very clear to me. You probably don't intend to lie, you just can't disseminate a simple sentence anymore. This explains it, and sheds a slightly different picture on the situation. Sorry I didn't understand this before, Jo. You have my most sincere sympathy and a half-hearted apology. You don't really know how terribly wrong you are. That's different. Sorry, Dear. Please verify your statements. Might help you comprehend the truth. I don't know nor have I ever talked to Bill's brother. Everything told to me was volunteered, not requested. Yes, Geoff knows the truth of what happened, and it ain't like you claim. He was forewarned he would be blackballed. He did it all by his lonesome, against my recommendations. Ask him. You are vicious without basis. Mac-Mac-Mac-Mac. "Leave him alone!" Liar, liar, panties on fire. (;X)^

So everyone will get the picture, Bleepins reference to toilet jokes originates from an art piece that hangs in my bathroom and was admired by Jim Rataczak. Jim as presumably told Bleepins of the story which set the foundation for his forging posts at this other sight to frame me for the phony posts. This is how that guy operates. Fake stories from a discredited investigator and conspiracy with the family he and Jo falsely accuse me of harassing. The guy is a liar (Blast) and his continued string of falsehoods and under the table dirty tricks are aimed at causing trouble. He is NOT productive, EVER. He is only COUNTER PRODUCTIVE. I understand Matt is also in cahoots, based on the same source. Not an open forum, this is a Kangaroo Court where the blow out honest cops in minutes! I will not lie about what happened. I think it should ALL be told, but have refrained at the request of his leaders. I did not think they wanted complete disclosure based on repeated requests not to tell the truth. I asked the Minneapolis FBI, and the answer was, "Keep doing what you're doing." When I asked Mac, he said, "go ahead and do it. I'd love to see their faces..." "I don't know what 'the other guy' will do".... So, from your lack of cooperation, I assume we are all in agreement. I really HATE lies. You are covering up heroic services of some of our best citizens with filthy lies. Their service is over and recognition and thank you's in order. You do these people no service at all.

While we're on the subject of phonies and all, I notice your spelling of 'Porterious' just happens to match another phony post over at Regina's Unsolved Realm article that was also made today. Someone posing as Porteous and Geoff Gray has been making filthy comments again on her article, in fact, a whole string of them. A couple of weeks ago she gave you a warning and deleted one of them. Now you are back, with more gutter-type comments. This one isn't too bad, but using the same name wasn't smart. The other comments, by the way, are far worse. Those are the ones where you discuss penis sizes and bring up Gayla's name. You obviously have serious issues, possibly even a multiple-personality disorder thing going. (See link to article below) Before you try to deny any of these things, you should know Regina was able to trace the comment she deleted back to you, probably by your IP or something. At least that's what she said to me in her email, the one with the apology. You've been posting as Skipp, Geoff Gray, and possibly others, all at the same time. This is obvious. It also sends any credibility you might have had right into the toilet. (From your posts there, I figured you'd appreciate that little joke I just made about the toilet) You are lucky I am not the moderator of this thread, or you would be long gone. BULLSHIT!! You are the one that did that crap, not me. I don't work under the table, write lies, make up fake stories. If I were the monitor, I'd fold the whole damned forum. It's a Cooper Crew Kangaroo Court. I got the whole scoop years ago from the top and have shown everyone your bias and your purposes. What you do is underhanded and dishonest to say the least. You make me sick. You get an honest cop on here and blow him out in an hour. Tells a lot about your objectives. Now we even have "the sweet old lady" up to her eyeballs in boldfaced lies that are more legible than red and blue and red and blue. FEW of you can put two honest sentences together, although some are nice about trying. Time to take the lid off the cookie jar, I guess. You made some bad choices.

1969 was the year Curtis LeMay dipped his hand in the hand cranked lottery ball and came up with a cherry of a number. September 14.

Mine is KAJW4899. 1955 telephone number 1376-L. Telephone number in 1968, 612-888-7981. I know every phone number I ever had. Can you do that? I can! Every phone number, every address, every license plate on every car I've ever owned... ...wonder why nobody has 'recruited' ME to be a secret squirrel agent? Guess I should 'threaten' someone...pull the 'I'm going to Canada' card and I'm IN! PPK, Aston Martin, SHAKEN not stirred! Now, THAT's impressive! I can't do that as I never paid attention to license plate numbers. I am in awe. U da MAN!

No. like everything else you surmise, you are wrong. It was larger. They lost Fairmont Railway Motors, and 3M reduced, stores closed, property values nose dived. Now it's a pig farm community and they stink to beat high heaven. I don't expect you will get much response from the Sentinel as it was not publicized as you might deduce from the explanation I gave. Ms. Long is long dead, but she could have verified my facts. With any luck there might be someone who knew me back then, but most have moved on or up. All new faces. Try the Enquirer. I think you'd get better response there. The trainer could verify my story, but he is in no position to risk what very well could happen. I think we should start a petition to pardon all the participants. My God, all the accomplices after the fact, including the crew, would sleep easier. Must be hundreds by now. I get a really long list, some are not friendly to the concept of a petition at all. The FBI certainly can't try the case, but some would like to try. Big egos, etc. I can send you my graduating class list if you want to do a private mailing with a mental health facility return address. That would be more down your alley. Have fun. We can turn up the exposure if you want to, but I think it is a bad idea. Doesn't bother me. Push my buttons. I believe you'd be better off to quietly make it go away by not rocking the boat too much. I have no intention to broadcast what happened like you seem to want to do, but I will not lie. I think that would be really DUMB and give unwanted exposure to certain important pillars of the community. We don't have that exposure here. Major harm to key people could be what you generate with your AP releases. I don't think our mutual friends are looking for the exposure you are creating. You might want to rethink your plan. I don't think you will get any positive information anyway. Just sayin'.

I'll bet "Commander" Anderson gave Bob one of those rare and coveted spook radio licenses good for all bands, all modes, unlimited power and no expiration. Kinda like Nixon giving Elvis that DEA badge. 377 Walkie Talkies TOO? CB radio call letters,gees guys, that's a really simple one and you can't even figure that one out?? Sleuths? 70 IQ's, on a good day.

Matt and Blevins - Both of you want to discredit Knoss and you will accomplish this faster by co-operating with each other. Wish I could add to it, but all I have are my notes when Knoss and I first connected and then some email "baits" I exchanged with him - these were always followed with a CC to Doug Pasternak so I would NOT be hung out to dry with the "crap" I was feeding Knoss. I don't remember what yr Knoss first contacted me, but it WAS BEFORE I got a computer and why some of it is only notes written in my planner. His story was simple back then and now it has "evolved" into something he created in his mind. The only things I could investigate was by talking to the ex who was still alive at that time. She did NOT know Knoss and she said Duane was NOT in the area at the time Knoss claimed. Knoss even claimed the ex-wife stole money from the apartment - which she DID not do. Knoss claimed there was a write-up in the newpaper. Gray was NEVER able to find this write-up nor any arrests reports. After Knoss realized he had a captive audience he was calling anyone who would listen and the FBI. Knoss made a nuisance out of himself with the co-pilot and the co-pilot's family. When Grey was doing research for his book he made a serious mistake of spending a few days checking Knoss's story out. My last contact with the co-pilot was when Grey was with Knoss. The co-pilot was upset (he had some serious problems going on in his personal life). He could NOT deal with this and asked that I give Grey a message - which I did. He told me to tell Grey to STOP calling him and to stop leaving messages.. Grey's visit with Knoss cost him a private interview with the key witness - the Co-pilot. Knoss had been calling direct members of the co-pilots family and interferring with their lives. This conversation took place I believe WHILE Grey was with Knoss and before he came to see me. I am the one who had to deliver the co-pilots message to Grey. Jo, You are a boldfaced liar. What you state here is TOTAL fabrication and not even close to the truth. I am done trying to be considerate with you. I have NEVER called to interfere with ANY of Rataczak's family. My information has not changed as I have original documents with exactly the same information. You are even worse than Blevins, if that could be possible.

Mine is KAJW4899. 1955 telephone number 1376-L. Telephone number in 1968, 612-888-7981. I know every phone number I ever had. Can you do that?

Thank you for your objectivity. It is consistent with the King of Siam, or Syria, or a thousand other places where a blind eye and a closed mind dictate the thoughts of the people. Fortunately for us, 'you guys' are not the controlling factor in anything but your own minds. I wish what I am telling were not the truth, but unfortunately it is what happened and it was the way our government operated under J Edgar Hoover/Nixon tactics. I would happily pay the $200,000 ransom to make this episode in my life not have happened, but THAT doesn't 'connect with reality'. You should be so lucky as to have to have dealt with this crap yourself. Would that it were, Kingy, babe.

Maybe I got the wrong guy, it was late for me. The General in charge of Selective Service in 1968 was Lewis B. Hershey, the feisty Selective Service director. Don't know where I got LeMay. Interesting. Interesting.

Bob, How does a civilian get sentenced by a "Commander" to a military prison? This was pre NDAA, pre Patriot Act, pre Eric Holder saying that due process doesn't mean judicial process. We actually had some rights in 1971. I must have been cutting when they taught this highly unorthodox criminal procedure in law school. Educate me. 377 March 1968. Exactly as I have stated. I know who Commander John Anderson was, and it was him, no question at all. Both him and McCoy in full military dress. Levinworth was full of guys like me, draft dodgers, card burners, etc. I remember a TV interview of a prisoner.... "We haven't done ANYTHING!" It happened. General LeMay was a mean son of a bitch. I'm going to bed. Screw it. Tomorrow is my Birthday. 69.

Bruce, The entire meeting was done under hypnosis. I was brought out AFTER they left the building. I didn't even meet them until after I was under. Sentenced to 4 years, UNLESS I sign on the dotted line with a 20 year contingency? That was ILLEGAL coersion according to my attorneys.

Total truth. Loraine K. Long, Fairmont, Minnesota. But you aren't going to find anything unless you talk to Mac and he won't talk to you. You can't prove a negative, you're just trying to show off. You are totally nieve to think you can find ANYTHING. If the FBI can't find it, you certainly can't. I have the guy who went in my slot and the guy who went AWOL who know what happened, but that is none of your business. Goose egg again, Blevins.

Never made any such "Top Secret Clearance" claim. Lay off the weed, Dude. Just told you I was NEVER in the Service. You are a smart guy. What's up with you? Booze? You are not your usual 20/20 self. It was as I just explained. "Arrested" was probably not the choicest of words. "Coeurced into an inquisition under hypnosis," might be more accurate.

I told the draftboard lady on the phone I would go to Canada before going through induction. Two FBI agents visited the doctor who wrote my medical excuse. Told him never to do that again. (I had my draftboard files searched. I was dating the secretary at the draftboard office. There is nothing there. I also searched my files through the Freedom of Information Act. Nothing there.) My draftboard contacted me and offered me an opportunity to participate in a Civil Service "FAA-FBI project" she had talked to McCoy about. I said, "Yes." My draftboard handed me off to Commander Anderson who was in charge of ROTC at the U. He also ran for President of the U.S. Yes. That guy. I signed a Top Secret Document with big red writing across the top while in the presence of Anderson, McCoy, and the hypnotist, Doctor Black. POOF. McCoy had that sheet. When they plan a covert operation I don't think they are going to leave those kind of documents laying around for general consumption in open files. THAT is REALLY nieve! I expected to get something with the Freedom Act. Afterwards, Mac said Nixon gave a general pardon that included me, and that he had 'purged' my files just like he did Duane's at the insurance company. Yes, convenient. He spent hours and hours removing pictures and references of himself from the internet. He left a few 'special' shots of himself with stars. Really big on his self image. I think he wrote his own bio for Wiki. Sounds like his version of McGod on Earth. Everything was "we" with him. No, Bobby, you can't pull a skunk out of your hat on me. All the talking witnesses are dead. The living ones respect what was done. Even Ralph didn't know about my suspended sentence. Mac knows. I know. I think you will find most everyone in my graduating class enlisted or was inducted except me. Jack Watters went to Canada, AWOL. I was 2S, then 1Y then 3A, for what that's worth. I was also critically active on AAA military contracts for supplies to Vietnam during that period. Only went to one induction and walked out. THAT was fun! Goose egg, Blevins! It is your job to belittle and try to humiliate me, I know, Cooper Crew and all that. But I have a lot truer ring of reality than the string of Porterious fables you bought into. I think you are still on that turnip truck. I don't have to guess at what happened or rely on someone else's guesses. I recorded history for Mac.

1. What year did the alleged training start/finish? Training started after Mac personally got Duane out of Missouri on 'early release' around May, 1968, and ran through into August or September 1968. Plans went on hold waiting for international convention negotiations to happen. They did not. Japan, The Hague and Montreal. Montreal was the big problem. 2.Where did the alleged training take place? 9020 Lyndale Ave. So., Bloomington, MN. and at Flying Cloud Airport near Shakopee, MN, known as a jumping mecca. 3.What was the Director/XO's name? Nicholas O'Hara SA FBI, Minneapolis. 4.Who gave him his orders? Don't know. J. Edgar probably assigned him to work with the FAA? McCoy reported to him. 5.How were you personally picked as part of "the team"? I threatened my draft board and was arrested by Sgt. McCoy, Special Services. I was sentenced to four years at Leavenworth in March, 1968, by Commander John Anderson, suspended, to support McCoy in Project Norjak. Penalty for disclosure is 20 years. I claim Whistleblower status and have broken no laws pursuant to this case. 6.What criteria was used to pick the other alleged members...Mac, Duane and others? Mac had worked undercover with Duane before and knew he could take orders without creating any personal danger. Duane needed special medical attention he could not get in prison. He was offered assistance by 'Maggie' for that purpose. Mac was one of two primary instigators of the original plan. Mac was the facilitator and got the Project approved, he got Blue Bird into the Project through Anderson. 'The other guy' was the thinker, planner, and trainer. The purpose of the original "pilot safety demonstration" evolved into something else before it was executed. Politics took over early in the game. Got more questions?

OK. Here's one you can run real easy. McCoy escaped Pa. Penn with Walker and did a couple bank robberies, Mac was theoretically shot by O'Hara, right? What if I told you that, "The Walker brothers next bank robbery was in Norfolk, VA, April 11, 1968, where they were apprehended by FBI SA Nick O'Hara who was very near the bank ..." had some relevance to the 1974 escape, would you raise your eyebrows? That McCoy worked for O'Hara as a Pentegon Loanee on Norjak and the Walker case. They recovered the original bank loot and returned Walker to prison. Johnny Surles and McCoy were BUDDIES!! McCoy's hometown! McCoy and O'Hara were a TEAM! http://beemp3.com/download.php?file=5371667&song=Johnny+Surles+Interveiw The cover-up story of McCoy/Walker

No, I totally understand. You don't get it. Bob I've read just about everything you write Bob...not that I necessarily believe it...but it makes a great "conspiracy theory"/b movie...but I respect your determination and patients with us other posters who constantly give you shit over what you post. just sayin...you've been very respectful in your explanations...even though you never bring solid evidence to the table...now if...and that's a big if...it's the truth...I can understand your reluctance to give out too much info...just sayin... ...but throw us a bone....!!!... hangdiver OK. Ask some relevant questions and I will tell you the truth, if I know, providing legal rights for personal harm to participating parties. You pick the subjects. A lot of this stuff can still pop out of my memory if prompted. I found myself in the middle of a sentence about McCord AFB before I realized what I was saying. Shocking shit.. Have a go. Let's see what happens.

You have no understanding of what you think you said and I'm not going to try explain it to you. Your only purpose is to bait and flame. If you were informed about what you keep throwing out, it might be interesting to discuss it. But, you are off the tracks in your understanding of the entire situation. Too much work to explain it if you won't listen anyway. We can't seem to agree on the simplest foothold here, Matt. You have no point at all.

No, I totally understand. You don't get it. Bob

HUH? I'm lost. I took nothing from anyone but Bill, Duane and Mac, and nobody agrees with what I've got, so.... HUH? You lost me. Duane Weber can be only YOUR suspect? Get serious, Jo. He is THE hyjacker of 305, PERIOD. I don't see anyone else claiming Blue Bird control, but I think Bruce buys into it, maybe 377. MKUltra was shut down before 1968, non-existent, defunct, no involvement, no drugs. Nadda. I firmly believe Duane was subjected to Blue Bird, AKA Artichoke, just like I was. Some people who don't know better just use the old name because it has more recognition. Their facilities were set up about a mile from where Duane and I were caretakers. I think it was called the Bloomington Armory. Not sure. Geoff Gray has the location co-ordinates and the facts as I experienced them. We toured the area together and I showed him where everybody lived, the "Blue Bird" operation headquarters, all of it. Not MY story because I didn't make it up, I just wrote it down and I keep digging. It's not Duane's story, it's Mac's story, but he can't come out and tell it. He's dead, you know. Twice. Third time is the charm. 70 years old now. But don't tell anybody. "HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA." (Quotation from Mac hisself)

Your new training film: [url http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIS5n9Oyzsc [/url] This was the educational foundation for "Blast" and will get you over your hesitancy disorder. Study the technique. Sorry, the temptation is just too great for me to deal with.