BobKnoss

"That is impossible, since the first drawing wasn't even held until December of 1969, for people being called up for 1970." HUH?? You think there was no draft? The LOTTERY was simply a drawing to create pre-determined induction dates for everyone left. A LeMay thing??? I though you were at least HS educated. Now I question a GED. 3-15-43 That's March, the Ides of March, Brutus. I was the last one on the list for our county. They had to make a quota, if you care to learn the truth here. You need to study up if you are going to keep up. Don't want any laggers around. Now you're even raising the flag to discredit me? Shameful!! Very easy to be right all the time, I just tell the truth and don't worry about getting caught up like you in your web of lies. VERY comfortable feeling!! Side question.... Do you own a Dali print of Gayla? I might stlll have some. Little controversy on when these were signed.

again, this is all nonsense! why would Mac need plastic surgery in the first place? If the Government relocated him nobody would know who he is or was! McCoy is vain. He had a complex about his ears. I saw nothing seriously wrong with them. Mouse had a bigger problem. This whole set up is not even close to what the Government would have done! allowing Duane to make changes, allowing Mac to "be the man" I think this will be the third time mentioning this, why would a plan that started in 1968 have so many loose ends and details, and as Bob has put it several times "rush to get the money ready" really? a 3 year plan and the Government/FAA/CIA/Mac/NW/FBI didn't have the ransom together months in advance? There were very few in the active party that controlled when it happened. It was a surprise for Mac as he had to fly out on a moments notice. you might not even realize that you have two separate accounts about the money! Only in your understanding, I think. Facts are very clear in my head. Explain, please. you can remember what car you had on "draft day" where it was parked and even which way it was facing when you parked it but, you only know your Doctors last name? That's the way it was, not a matter of forgetting, never knew it to begin with. Simple. you were asked about your draft date and you only reply with mid March? but if someone is to ask about Mac or Weber you spout off all kinds of dates and times, streets and the weather that day but, anything around Zippy get a little fuzzy! can you see a reason for a red flag? Simple. Bluebird. Read the book, talk to Pasternak or Gray, or Bruce. They are informed. You need to be, too. While were at it, why would they hide his jump boots in the container marked with the X on it as you said in the past? Careful, you are mistaken. NEVER said that. The X was what he jumped with after removing the string it was sewn shut with. The boots MAY have been packed in one of the other chutes. THAT is a guess on my part. Somehow he had his boots. If NW was also involved in the "operation" why wouldn't they just put the equipment on the plane? also found it interesting that you thought the canopy had a X on it. The cover had an X on it, not the canopy. Where did you ever come up with that? This is sounding like Jo, all jumbled up. Northwest was NOT involved in the operation. Northwest was about the only airline in favor of metal detectors and additional pilot safety. It was the rest of the airlines that did not want to spend their money and were holding out for the Government to pay. In the end, the problem was bigger than the airline companies or our Government as they couldn't control what happened in other countries, and the "trigger" of the problem became the International Conventions on Air Piracy. Hope this clarifies the situation, It is only six or seven times I've been over it on this forum. It is all documented extremely well on the internet. Plain, simple, concise wording, no fast peddling, no fairy tales. Just good old fashioned facts. The truth of the matter for all to see.

" I have heard quite enough from Mr Knoss. First, he slams on Bill Rataczak, now it's Selick." No slam. Just telling the truth. Tell Selick that Mac said it was OK to tell the truth now. See what he says. A relative of mine met with Henry recently. Different subject. Enough? You haven't gotten past the tip of the iceberg, yet. Just the threat of a little truth leaking out. Gees, you could write a REAL book! "Truth is not an excuse. It is a concept." That's why you don't practice it. Truth is a way of life, not a theory. Truth is treason in the empire of lies. I tell the truth and it is considered treason by Blevins and the Crew. There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; Not going all the way, and not starting......Buddha

"Best find another orchard to pick." The fruit flies have ruined this crop and they will rot by themselves anyway. I just put a little sunshine out and water the ground in hopes the planted seeds will grow into tall and healthy trees. There has certainly been enough manure laid here to last a lifetime. Nobody willing to hoe in such a deep pile, however. I'll just stick around and keep the crows off. And Santa Claus passed a message which I cannot repeat here. BAAAAD Santa!

"Specifically, WHAT non-truths? Give one example." HOW MANY PAGES IN 'BLAST'?" Must be half a dozen per page. And the work before that, with Poisonious and whoever, and Gray, was it?? OUCH!!! Selick's age. You just say what you read. He is 10 yrs older than reported in that release. LOOK at the pictures. You have to be blind. "Walls" by Robert Frost.

"Oh, brother. Bob Knoss!" You took two pages to repeat what I said in one. What I said is TOTALLY true. Two lines. And I'm Shirley not your brother! Back with the threats! Add 10 yrs to Seleck.

OK, Jo. You just blew my monitor. I clicked on your post and it literally blew up! I'm sending you an invoice for a new monitor for $200 including tax. I can dispose of the one you wrecked, no charge. There is absolutely no call for this kind of tretchery. It is totally beneath you and you should be ashamed. I only enlighten the readers, I throw no trash, but I sure get tossed a lot. I should report you to Quade, but he has his hands full investigating that sidewinder Blevins.(:K) Enough already! Damned children, anyway.

March, 1999 in Maui, Hi. Right after my mother died. I met a wonderful Doctor (whose name I don't remember) who prescribed a wonderful combination of Vallium and Vicodin, commonly referred to as a "cocktail". I contribute my recall to that regiment of drugs. Expensive duo on the street. I had a 30° fracture of L4 in the inside. Not operable. Looked like a chisel in the X-ray. I suggest you call a top expert in the field of hypnosis and inquire as to the validity of recall from medication. An MKUltra expert in California advised me on it. I expect you will find the same answers I got. That will do it! If you recall, Duane had a recall in the hospital under medication as well...... Same scenerio. But Jo will disagree. She will change her story again, because I upstaged her again. Big monochrome puzzle that lights up when all the pieces are in their proper places.

There have been a number of Tommy Gunn porn stars. The other star in Domination Nation is a mutual friend of Mac and mine. His name (real) is Mike Barton. He and his wife are the main subject of the film. Mike was also known as half of the "Smokin' Gunns" a World Champion tag team wrestling duo, that Tommy Gunn was involved with. Billy and Bart Gunn. Mac took Mike to Japan where his career started over. Mike boxed "Butter Bean" and lost in the first punch. Richard McCoy, Jr., is featured in a portion of the film as Tommy Gunn, film star. He is in the picture I posted here. The rest of the film was another look-alike actor posing as Mac. Yes, and no. Mac claimed to be a movie star as he was in many pictures, most all as an extra, background. He was bodyguard for a number of stars including Burt Reynolds, Stallone, Peppard, and his best friend is Mr. T. Just passing on what McCoy was passing to me. Not my claim, it is his. Ask him.

"See how you change subjects - I asked you about Blue Bird and suddenly you are on MKUltra." Jo, the terms are interchangeable. If you even read the first sentence about mind control in the FBI/CIA you would not be so silly sounding. It is why you have everything so jumbled up and confused. You can't associate or disseminate or departmentalize information AT ALL. You have all the words, but they appear to you like confetti in a big fishbowl. You can't rely on your memory anymore. It is SHOT! I know that you know better. Read some of your earlier notes, maybe you did a better job of recording what was actually given to you. Start before 1999, since none what you quoted of mine from 2000 is correct. Sad.

"Do you believe his story? Since you brought it up, you may as well go on the record about it. Nobody's really attacking Knoss, the problem is that he has a history of trashing articles, forums, and other online venues that have anything to do with Cooper." Blevins, you have ONCE to consider or discuss ANYTHING i have posted from the very beginning. You immediately attacked and continue to mount unequalled attempt to belittle, dishonor, discredit with false statements, and even unprecidented attempts to have me banned. I have NEVER been banned from a forum. I have been outspoken and active, and was once given a 30 day vacation from this page. The ONLY reason is your involvement with a "club" of sorts, known as "The Cooper Crew" who act on the welfare of the co-pilot and Project Norjak to deflect release of any truth about Flight 305. Initially the object was to muffle Jo Weber, but that was easy. I am a horse of a different color because I actually KNOW what Jo is guess at. Bigger stakes, bigger performance. Ask Jerry Thomas. TheHeadOffice.com. That's what we called the can in my day. Bathroom jokes on some weirdo page by Blevins, practical jokes with the phones, newspaper trashings, yah, Gray has it pegged. As Jim said, "the guy who writes for Grapevine would be the guy............" NAILED, SUCKER!!

"not the first to check out Christiansen, anyway. That would be Geoff Gray." Geoff got legs when he smelled a KC rat and left you guys in the muck to sink by yourselves!!! Don't rely on the messenger, go directly to the source. He considers you the biggest mistake of his life and now has you guys to live down. You can't tell two sentences of truth in a row, and it's getting worse. I don't know this, it was just told to me first hand. Of course I could have heard it wrong, I could have it backwards. It could be that Gray didn't want to expose KC out of respect for his personal rights. Yah, that's it! Respect! Yah. The Judge in McCoy's case authorized a stand-in for McCoy to protect McCoy's identity. You will find the order in McCoy's transcript. Larry Carr confirmed this to me. "There is no law against doing that." McCoy advised me on the phone that he would put pictures for me on Google where I could find them, and I just posted them. Henry Seleck was hired as a stand-in for McCoy and all the pictures of the days back then were Henry, NOT McCoy. Payment for his services was in the form of plastic surgery which is more than evident to anyone with half a brain. Look at the pictures. That's Henry today, still working. McCoy pictures courtesy Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. Ask Henry, he might even 'fess up with these pictures exposed. Nothing lost at this point in time. Bite me Blevins. Truth talks, BS walks. "These boots were made for walkin'.... and that's just what they'll do.... these boots are gunna... walk all over you!" (Tina & Frank Sinatra) Really rotten song, but I got it stuck in my craw, now. Frank just helped get it done.

If the pic of MAC does NOT match McCoy with photo recognition he will claim Mac had plastic surgery! As a matter of fact........ HE DID!!! Had HIS ears flattened, too! Gotcha!! YOU do not have pictures of McCoy!!! Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!

You just got had into POSTING the pic on your own - not very sharp there are you! I have nothing to hide. I will post whatever you ask for. Except my 'classified' incriminating material. It has all been posted before. Nothing new. Free images.

You claimed Weber did his training in 1967- 1968 NEVER. You are always WRONG. Spring thru Fall 1968. He was in as Duane Weber and released as John Collins. McCoy introduced them to help Duane with his illness. You have completely lost it. Quit.

Remember the one with YOU standing in YOUR kitchen....did you forget about that picture? Yah, this one from Facebook for Richard McCoy. My pictures are under my name in Facebook. We look nothing alike. You have a mental problem you need to realize. Too strong a drug regiment, probably. Shit happens when you have to take that stuff. My dad sat here and carried on conversations with my late mother for hours. The person Jo thinks is McCoy is Henry Seleck. He has had nose and ear surgery. Mac referenced these pics to show the comparison before and after surgery. The guy in the kitchen is a guy off Facebook that I thought looked like Mac. Jo thought he was Georger or somebody. She is all jumbled up on everything these days. Sorry.

You had no connection to Pasternak - ZERO! I told him not to discuss anything with you. He is an honest and trustworthy man. He did extensive research on MKUltra and THAt was my discussion with him. You were left out of ALL communications. He promised. Bite me.

CRACK-Pot calling kettle black? Plese get it write.

Maybe you are "Baby Face" I think baby Face was shot to death running across a field in Wisconsin trying to flee the FBI. But you just let your imagination run rampant. You don't even remember Maggie! (Margie) The blonde FBI secretary type from Cleveland that took care of Duane. You know, the one that wanted to get paid???? You are losing it.

"1991 saw the publication of D. B. Cooper: The Real McCoy, by FBI agents Bernie Rhodes and Russell P. Calame. Both authors investigated McCoy's skyjacking case, and their book posits that Cooper and McCoy were really the same person. They cited similar methods of hijacking, and a tie and Brigham Young University medallion with McCoy's initials on the back left on the plane by Cooper." 1991 predates the pearl tie clasp. Here are two FBI guys that verify the truth back in the day. I suspect the cigarettes, the cup, and whateverall went to another evidence box at the same time the medallion went in a particular agents pocket and the clasp went into the cooper box. That is what I was told. Of course, we all know now that Cooper and McCoy could not have been the same person. Cooper was 45 and McCoy 27. And I have the truth on the medallion.

So very very sad. Ok. Everybody's sad. I stand by everything I said. Copies of my story about Bluebird were shared with your reporter friends, not ever to be shared with you, for this reason. That was my connection to Pasternak. The communications date back to 1999. Before you started calling me every week. I initiated one call to you, the first one, and I returned a few, but my attorney advised to avoid you, so I did. Chew on that one, fabricator.

"I don't have a grudge against your airline, miss. I just have a grudge." That's pretty close for a quote. (Miss is capitalized Mr. writer guy) "'I KNOW!' isn't quite good enough." Hell, man, works for me and sure as Heaven it's better than that KC garbage Lyle fed you two failures. Cap remembers, nothing else counts. He's not talking.

"THE KOOL AIDE WAS LONG AFTER YOU CLAIMED TO HAVE KNOWN DUANE - IT WAS A FEW MONTHS BEFORE HE DIED." He told me he NEVER paid for it, he ALWAYS stole it. Put it in his pants pocket, then stick his fingers in and put them in his mouth. All were good, but lime was his favorite. I suppose YOU told me that and it was a test because it wasn't true. Don't post any more silly posts about me. You are showing your bias and slipping facts you don't intend. Happens when you get mad.

ANOTHER PHASE and I KNOW WHERE YOU OBTAINED IT - YOU KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THIS UNTIL I TOLD YOU - the program either changed its name or is none existent now. IT WAS ALL ABOUT HELPING THE DOWN AND OUT AND NOTHING SINISTER ABOUT IT UNTIL you made it part of your story in your attempt to change history and facts. Are you talking about them using it on Tina? No, it's all in my notes of 40+ years ago, 27 years before you ever heard the name Norjak. YOU told ME????? Backwards, Jo. You are totally predictable. Up- down, left- right, did it, did not. Did too, did not! YOU WERE NOT THERE!

Thanks for the link to Dr Colin Ross and his book "Bluebird," Bob. I wasn't aware that Dr. Ross had delved into this realm. I've read some of his other work on MKULTRA-related themes. Although he do longer responds to my emails, earlier in our relationship he did tell me that he was not aware of any connection between the DB Cooper case and the mind-control activities of the MKULTRA folks. Well then, I am happy to re-introduce you to the subject and to be the one to inform you that the likelyhood of Bluebird involvement with Duane Weber, AKA Dan Cooper was far more than likely. MKUltra was no longer the accepted term for their mind control ops, it was addressed as Bluebird or Artichoke. I can't believe they had such an elaborate set-up there right by us and did not use it for this big project. There was too much detail, preciseness, for anybody to remember so much, word for word. I KNOW what I went through and the control it had for years over what I said and did. I understand how it works and it explains an awful lot about Duane's effectiveness. Mac was able to put me under on the telephone and rattle off his information for storage in my mind. It is all still there, at command. Whee-oowwww-eeee-owww. "Don't try to adjust your television set, we are in control of the vertical and the horizontal............"