BobKnoss

14,000' divided by 5280' = 2.65 Plus we are talking about a Congruent Right Triangle. I rounded down. It benefited your story, but still it proved wrong for you. Line of sight, NOT distance. Crow Flies stuff. Bye.

what am I looking up Bob, this again had nothing to do with the question, you like to skew off the point when things are asked! the whole thing is not worth the argument! it's impossible what she has claimed, I don't need 337's post or any other post to conclude this, just another reason why her story is in the background! end of this part of the story. No. The point of Janet is not that she saw a jumper, but that she saw the plane. Cook's witnesses saw it also. The fact that it was seen on THAT course verifies TOG's statement to Ralph and to me, that Janet is correct, and vice-versa. It is prima faca to a misrepresented flight path and a path to the actual jump site which is dead on to Tena's Bar. It is not dismissed. It is key evidence that I will not sweep under the rug. If you guys won't do it, I'll hire it done myself. The facts are there and easily reproduced. Take your choice.

I would challenge anyone to put two planes side by side in the daytime at 10,000 feet and glance up and tell me which one had a human on the bottom of the plane! REPEAT I acknowledged that, 377. Witnesses have a tendency to enhance their testimony sometimes, I suspect ol' Janet did that with her jumper. Look it up. When can we do the Brigham Young Medallion thingy?? Huh? HUH? Or do I have to hire a navigator to redo Robert99's re-plotting of 305 using wind data from the other airliner?????? Wanna know where it puts 305???? Read Cook. 35 miles west of the FBI search area, right where TOG said he flew!!! Right where Janet claims to have seen the plane, right where Mac said it was. Then there are Cook's witness of the flight over the west of Portland. Come on, guys, this is too simple. and you claim to want to throw it out because she bragged about seeing Duane's Wienner?

Matt and yet you call a woman that will not come forward completely with her story of seeing a man on the stairs of a plane at 10,000 feet at night in a storm, that does say flares came off the plane and you claim a helicopter shot them? Proof? OOOOkkkk YUP! Read Ralph, guys. PLUS Mac told me the same thing on the phone. Good enough???? Good! didn't see Matt's post until after mine, let the record also show 2.5 miles away! At 45°, distance is not 2.5 miles for 10,000 ft, Einstein. That's LINE of SIGHT! It's less than 2 miles distance and less than 2 miles elevation. It is impossible to discuss anything with Matt because he can't understand it. He has his crew duties that get in the way all the time. If you can't win with facts, then bury 'em in BS. I get the facts on the table and the subject changes to a dead topic with the same old line. Sorry, Matt. You are out of chances. You burned your bridge. See ya.

Your Crabbing term does not fit the actions of the plane and its flight path, nor reality of AVN. Right. It is Faking a recorded path and flying an altered path. But, for reasonable discussion purposes only, if the pilot did run with the wind, it would increase his airspeed, as well as ground speed. How would it at several tons be affected more than the light weight placard? Assuming facts not in evidence. The plane is going to actually be further west than the navigator records. Actually 35 miles west of the FBI search area. Per Cook and TOG. This is the story told to an SA at a party by TOG and ignored. Ignor the placard, too. That was a later incident, no one saw it drop, only claimed the found location. No proof. Familiar? A PLANT! Matt

"The guy goes into the backyard and sees a nice looking Labrador retriever sitting there." Ya know what? That is actually right on the money!! Good shot, 377! I don't know if BS is the right analogy though.

It is a legal statement. I can have an opinion, I can not claim a fact that challenges his character. It has to be worded that way. Ask 377.

Knoss, your reply supports my conclusions about your mental and emotional health. I have done an indepth analysis of the flight path and dynamics of NWA 305. It convinces me that you are still nuts. Then, Sir, you are inept. It happened as I state, right from the man's mouth.

So Crabbing, altering the flight path has been proven false. Matt Jesus, Matt! If a pilot pretends he is flying into a wind which is not really there, and plots a compensating course, he is CRABBING into a fake wind. The result is a flight path alteration from his plot to a real location. GET IT??? If in fact, there is a countering wind that is real, and blowing him in the direction he is actually flying, then his true speed and direction are altered, RIGHT???? THAT is what was done to put the plane on a course different that what was recorded. If you could check radar recordings it would be there. IF you could find radar recordings. GET IT?????? Crabbing. FAKE crabbing. Pretend crabbing.

You might assume that. He will deny everything, obviously, as he won't even take my calls anymore. He just says to "Call the FBI, I don't work for them anymore." It is my opinion he knows EVERYTHING and it goes deep. You will not get squat. Please try.

"You obviously have mental and emotional problems." Only in your mind, Sir. I check out just fine other than shoes that are a little too narrow for my wide spreading feet. You need to study the winds and headings of 305 and the trailing airliner in a little more depth. Since my information came from the cockpit of 305, I can assure you that I am not trying to lead you down a golden KC path. The crab is a fact and you can do the math to expose it. Unless your job is to cover it up.....

asking for a first name in order to back up ones story is hardly "badgering a witness" that's story check 101 Asked and answered. No need to badger the witness further, MrShutter45. Bob, you need to lay some facts on the table other than what is in your mind! you can't expect anyone to believe stories from you that gives dates, times weather among other things, and then turn around and be fuzzy on your background! I see no fuzz. You ask things of me that did not exist. They can be researched, but you can't hold me responsible for information I do not have, or never had. I can only tell what I know. I don't want to guess with you monsters at my throat. The word is called "suspect" you try so hard to prove and say things but, unless you can back them up other than your own words...it means nothing but a good written story with zero sources backing these claims! sorry bud! Bill does not want to take a chance on releasing facts, Nick will not discuss it at all, Mac is in hiding but willing, Jo is playing cover up, the FBI either doesn't know or doesn't care to know depending on their age, George is stuck on a creatored Cooper, Karen is over it, Denny is chicken, some don't remember anything at all, Towsaw is dead as are Scott and Duane. Cossy is a possible. Ralph is a possible. I know what you say is true. Blevins wrote a book on thin air and straws, then presented it as a possibility. What I have, with redactions is what really happened as opposed to digging in KC's scrapbook for anything that might fit. I can lay out the entire thing all by myself based on what happened rather than speculation. Once the truth is obvious, the guys who would sue me would be safe by the truth of the matter. Ref: I Led Three Lives, by Herbert Philbrick. Until then, I am a perceived threat to people I am supposed to protect. What is protection? I believe in truth. I believe the truth of what happened was GOOD. They were GOOD. They are HEROES. And it is a HEROIC story that I think is time for release.

"(Crabbing, by the way, does not change a flight path, it keeps you on it and it is adjusting for potential drift . AVN 101)" Yes, it does when you crab into winds you claim are eastbound when in fact they are westbound. This is why I don't care to waste the forum's time with you. You don't have what it takes to follow along. Robert99 and MrShutter have a brain on their shoulders which they use effectively. 377 has blinders on, and Jo has an ego caught between her eyes. YOU have a CREW thing enveloping you and can't be objective. Understand?

"I don't know that it was false" So, how did they conclude this was all false information where they had to give the Doctor (with no first name) a reprimand? E.A. first name. You are badgering the witness. Thayer admitted to writing the letter with the purpose of keeping me out of the Army. I thought and still believe it was accurate, authentic and sufficient. I didn't agree with the War, much less Government tactics of dealing with objectors, card burners, gays and blacks including MLK. Still don't.

I like pie. BITE ME, Mattie! You had your chance and you BLEW it. I will not respond to your Crew Troll Flame posts.

Quotehow did the military Doctors come to there conclusion your letter was false? what was your medical reason for "rejection" I don't know that it was false. I had allergies to most everything except rocks. Exposure to dried grass, oats, grains, dust, animals, etc., would cause shortness in breath and the inability to breathe. I had a bad case of Osgood Schlatter's Disease, which is a bone spur on the knee. It stuck out an inch or so and had deteriorated my right leg's mobility severely. I was in a cast for two years. Dr. Thayer's opinion was that it would affect my ability to perform regular tasks. This letter was filled with 'probably' and words like that. The reason for the discontent was having told Lorraine K. Long that I would move to Canada before submitting to the draft. I thought that was made clear previously. I'm presently reading a story of a man who had a letter from a doctor who was treating him for acne, guess what the good old military did with him? Sent him Home! Me too. They tried to get him twice! 1967 Never asked me again.

"If Knoss was ever proven to be fabrication, my sentence for him would be spending the remainder of his life in a Veterans Hospital so he could be constantly reminded of this mistake. (If proven)" I'm BAAAAA-AAAACK! "What struck me in the article was the first paragraph about the Government Policy in 1968!" Like I said, General LeMay was a mean son-of-a-bitch. He was the one pushing that policy. The Lottery Drawer, the "Bomb 'em back into the stone age!" SOB. THAT guy. If proven, I will personally sign my commit papers for the State Mental Hospital seven miles south of me. "Which helo. whose helo?" The one that McCoy was in. The TV FBI Cooper film showing the helicopter chase by the FBI with Adam Beach playing McCoy in the Helicopter. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE watch that video!! This is important. Adam is a Canadian of Native American heritage and looks a lot like Mac in 1971-2. Mac wanted to play the role himself and I cautioned against it. Ask Mac. Check WHO made the film. I double dare you. The flares were shot from the chopper that carried McCoy. He was NOT flying it.

Night flares are very effective at lighting up aircraft in the sky. Remember the flares over Bagdad at night on TV? Knoss, shooting flares through a helicopter's rotor can have very bad side effects such as losing a rotor blade. I think it is safe to assume at this time, that no flares were shot into the blades of the chase helicopters. I will acknowledge that objection. We certainly don't want to create any injuries at this late date. Obviously I'm tired, bedtime here in the deep dark woods. Wolves are howling and the log fire is flickering. Time to shut off Jo's new wide screen and call it a day.

You are right. ALL of the good "PROOF" is covered up. The only option is lining up the circumstantial evidence showing the facts in truth in a different light and in total as a complete panorama of the sequence of events. One little point at a time only loses interest, but they have to be exposed to join them together to see the whole picture. When we have people trying to squalsh even the discussion of what really happened, it is very difficult to expose anything. It's a jungle out there, an authorized free-for-all with Cooper cover-up EXCEPT when you speak any truth. Then the big guns come out and the threats roll and the sabres clash. You can see it right here. All I have to do is type a couple names.....

Reference was to what you can see way up high in the sky, like people jumping. I 'twas not born in Dodge City. My birthplace was in Minnesota, though. In a hospital, too. Not in a barn or in a shed, in a room and in a bed.

'People seen a man in the grassy knoll,....' They 'seen' more than one. One guy even took 'pitchers'. There was supposedly another guy in the gutter drain. I have no insight for any of that, only what I experienced. Over 2000 people have claimed Cooper experiences. They don't help my cause at all. I have the only credible witnesses there are. TOG, MAC, NOH, etc. That is the difference. They confirmed to me all I need to know. I never even HEARD of Maria (new name Cooper) or any of the other boneheads... enough said on that subject.

That would be my guess, somewhere around 4 grand.... And yeah, I have over 30 years of looking up at aircraft watching people fall out of 'em...that story doesn't pass the smell test period. Yes. I watched a skydiver in a wing suit jump at the Fairmont Airport in southern Minnesota. He was a very well experienced jumper and thought he could land without pulling the chord. With each consecutive jump he had been getting closer and closer to the ground. They made a movie about him with Bert Lancaster. I watched him climb out of the plane and jump. He landed on the cement right in front of the crowd. His bat suit wasn't good enough to catch the wind that day, but we could see him try. Stop it Bob, yer killin' me here! What year was that Bob, I can seem to find any record of the incident happening in Fairmont Minn. The movie was Gypsy Moths, filmed in Kansas...A buddy that use to post here was in the movie. They called them Bat-Wings back then, not wing suits...so much for the accurate memory huh? Right! Bat wings. Must have been in the late 50's. I saw something on it on the internet. Check Fairmont Municipal Airport history. Manager was Al Alsworth. That was before I got my 6 Million Dollar MKUltra memory, don't cha know.

'Stop it Bob, yer killin' me here!' Yah, I shouldn't have told that one there. I do apologize for that! That was a bad one there. But is was true. You can look it up. Lots of really bad stories about that airport. A display fighter trainer was being sent to our airport. He missed our house by a few feet and burned in our plowed field at 3 am. Couldn't find the airport 2 miles east. They sent another one the next month.

That would be my guess, somewhere around 4 grand.... And yeah, I have over 30 years of looking up at aircraft watching people fall out of 'em...that story doesn't pass the smell test period. Yes. I watched a skydiver in a wing suit jump at the Fairmont Airport in southern Minnesota. He was a very well experienced jumper and thought he could land without pulling the chord. With each consecutive jump he had been getting closer and closer to the ground. They made a movie about him with Bert Lancaster. I watched him climb out of the plane and jump. He landed on the cement right in front of the crowd. His bat suit wasn't good enough to catch the wind that day, but we could see him try.