BobKnoss

"At this time the thread is at a stall and we all know who and why. I admire you brave souls who continue try to help the Caretaker. The way I have seen it for yrs is that he is the one who needs a Caretaker. Now the thread is experiencing what I have experienced since 1996. This one is not the first and he won't be the last...to shout his story from the roof tops." Roof top would be the Enquirer. I'm quietly trying to slip you the real story in total, because TOG can't tell it himself. Mac can't either, although he wants to. I'm the gopher. TOG or Mac could stop me in a split second with a short visit and a request. It won't happen.

God man!!! You left, remember? I told you you couldn't leave your diary behind! Time away is good for you ailing mental health. Go talk to Ralph. Do something constructive. He can check with Mac for you. In the event you haven't figured it out by now, the Amboy Chute is a Big Deal in the Cooper case. How can it be, if it was manufactured after 1972?? You beat a dead horse. Time travel? You spend too much time on that Ragina site. Take Ralph out for dinner. Crow is in season.

Never heard of that before. No, I won't adopt a new name for it, but I guess it would fit. The original plan was as an excercise to demonstrate the vulnerability of the pilots and passengers based on the airline policy for how to respond to a hijacking, "according to the manual." The whole thing was nothing but a pilot sponsored living Play. The point would be made, the money returned, and negotiations between the pilots and the airlines about improving thr aircraft for PILOT safety would continue, with a reference. Reference: The Cooper vane which had been presented and rejected, created by TOG (but patented by another to cover the real designer). This plan was discussed with NOH evenings in his FBI office and things progressed through approval. Federal efforts on international negotiations in Montreal faltered as did Congressional support for Nixon's proposals. Nixon was big on pushing legislation through but could not get enough votes. He changed the purpose from a Pilot's Union dirty trick to a Tricky Dicky dirty trick and executed it. Then he made an edict with a Presidential Executive Order putting into effect that legislation Congress did not have the votes for. The pilots pursued the airplane modifications and the Government persued the baggage and magometometer changes, but this is all documented in the FAA History page, in detail, so you can follow along, step by step. The Montreal Convention on Air Piracy is key to the actual cause for authorizing Project Norjak, but it was not the original cause for creating it. It just became something new and got used for much, much more than it was intended. A False Flag? You decide. Kinda fits, huh? I like that a lot better than the term "conspiracy" which has been worked to death. Hey, if I couldn't find humor in this pain in the ass project, I'd probably be dead by now. I was used against my will by intimidation and, "I have a grudge."

Transferred to another page to fill out a form to request records to be snailed to St. Louis. Filled out and sealed ready to mail. Asked for the complete file. They will call for credit card payment. I do not see what this proves. are you completely 100% positive about this when you called them? when I called they gave me all my information? was not put on hold, the whole thing took less than ONE MINUTE! would you like to retract your version and try another? was 10:09pm when I did it!!!! I think the gig is up! don't you Bob? You seem awfully anxious to dispose of my facts. No, when I called them, I got a recording that told me to 'press one if you are on a touch-tone.' Then it tells you that records are archived in St. Louis for men born before 1960 and to go to .SSS.gov and click on the "before 1960". Which I did. No live answer, and I called immediately after you posted the phone number. They are not open today I imagine. The only thing that is up is the proverbial cob, I think.

I am sure SOMEONE is trying to use this little gem I found on WikiMapia as "proof" but just because some MORON stuffed some idiocy onto a website.... it just does not make it so. Getting the airplane from where the placard was found.. over to where this little box on the map is.... is ludicrous at best.. but I think SOMEONE found it on the map so it must be so. Too bad the facts just add up to so much monkey poop. http://wikimapia.org/#lat=45.9471652&lon=-123.0122356&z=12&l=0&m=b I respect your right to a personal opinion. I request your consideration of a presentation of facts which lead to a different conclusion. A closed mind is a dead end, an open mind is a vessel of learning. Monkey poop is only the tip of the mountain. Lots of contributions to this pile, including yours. I'll take the word of TOG and Mac any day of the week over pure speculation based on jumping experience. You had to be there to warrant credibility. TOG was. Mac was. Duane was. I never left the backyard.

BRAVO! I stand, and applaud! Matt Yah, and you sit to pee. (:#)

Funny how living in an area for over 30 years will really do a good job of getting to know what is actually there.... out here in the real world. I believe you, totally. I'm just sayin'. Look here.

Knoss, my ego considered all the possibilities. And navigation was not a problem since they were basically just tracking down V-23. That's the deception. Also, I hate to be the one that has to tell you this, but the airliner navigation was being done by the people flying the aircraft. The airliner did not have a separate navigator. There was an FBI navigator tracking the flight, right or wrong? One thing can be said with absolute certainty, you don't have a mind block. You obviously have mental and emotional problems, but you can fabricate impossible scenarios in a flash. All previously written down and work out in detail, amaturish as it may be, it is based on real reports from the two people who carried it off. And I do not refer to Duane Weber. He was a pawn. Persons of Interest attached. Bedtime.

The pilots said that I am "missing the facts"? I never met those pilots. I don't know. You might have. If you were at Ralph's party. In the den. Talking about the shift in flight path by 15-20 miles west. Now, I doubt you would have been consulted. Wasn't information for release at that time. I'm telling you now, so you can be the brilliant guy that figured it out. But you got too big an ego to admit you missed the boat first time around. Do you know how many trials Edison ran on light bulb filaments? The first one that even gave hope was a carbon filled bamboo, but it was very brief. That's a true answer, but I flunked the test because the professor didn't read Edison's notes. Thought he was above it all. Sound familiar?

Your ignorance of how draft boards work matches your ignorance of everything else you have been claiming on this thread. THAT is why I politely asked you to do what I stumble through. Your big ego refused to consider any other possibility. YOU were absolutely RIGHT! Remember?? The difference is that I KNOW where it should be, you are able to figure out HOW it got there. You have a mind block. Move the reported flight path 20 miles west and watch it coincide with the oil pipeline clear cut. Watch the flight path circle the Portland population. Watch the jump spot land just north of Tena's Bar. Watch the TRUTH light up in front of your face!! Now YOU tell me about the winds and the seat of the pants fly-by-reckoning "fake crabbing" the pilot was reporting to the navigator. I suggest that pilot had his hands full with calculations from umteen sources to get to his destination without anybody detecting it. I suggest he was a master at deception, and he deceived you, too. Please look at it again, now that you know what really happened.

Knoss, so you and Blevins are weather experts and claim that the winds were from the southeast? If either of you knew how to read aviation weather reports, you would know that the winds were from the southwest in the Portland/Vancouver area on the evening of Cooper's hijacking. Keep up the good work. Not according to the pilot of the airliner behind 305. Check Cook. What was the pilot's claim for 305???? I KNOW you are missing the facts because the pilots said so.

Knoss, so you were inducted on a Saturday morning in 1968? In case you haven't heard, it is highly unlikely that anyone in 1968 was inducted on any day except Monday through Friday. The draft board and most of the federal government works on a five day week. Your ignorance of how draft boards work matches your ignorance of everything else you have been claiming on this thread. Don't argue about facts, look them up. You sound like Matties little sister, making like a motorboat with the pablem. Wait for the facts rather than spit all over the floor. Act like a grown up.. Choke it down.

Knoss, do you remember what country (NOT county) you were inducted in? It obviously wasn't the United States. Hennepin County, (Minneapolis, MN.) And yes, last time I had to check, it was in the United States of America, the country where everybody is supposed to have rights. Cute. Can't even check out wind directions correctly. Do it again, Sam. Mark the map where Duane jumped. Will do better than that. You show the flight over Vancouver. Attached is the FBI path NOT over Vancouver, but four miles away....from Blevins. Will attach my stuff too. I verified the railroad track marks that represent the flight path according to Blevin's checked against the FBI map. The transfer west is based on TOG's confession to Ralph and me, confirmed by Googling Janet's phone number, and by McCoy's report that Janet actually saw the plane west of the location they desired to create a search area where they actually put it. Cook says 35 miles east of the real jump, TOG says 15-20 miles. I'm just taking notes and making records. This map is an exercise in what Robert99 should have done and didn't. I am no expert.

"You flatly REFUSE to investigate the points I make" what did we just go through checking? We didn't go THROUGH anything, you STOPPED, remember? I don't claim perfect data and Janet is not perfect. Her sighting WAS enough to alarm McCoy and get him to her front door, so she HAS validity to the story no matter what gets thrown at her. Weiner vision or no. She absolutely substanciates the west path, ABSOLUTELY! Cook says 35 miles, I have not verified that. TOG said 15-20 miles. Don't have Towsaw's opinion, but it sure ain't consistent with the 'most trustworthy' FBI claims. also, do you know what a False flag operation is? don't start using it now either! No. Please explain. I waive a white flag, you pop your head up and I blow you away with a precalculated shot? Or, I fly a French flag to draw you in, then blow your French panties off? Not sure. I'm straight arrow, Dude. No snakes in the woodpile. This stuff is post-jump and put together from reports from McCoy and TOG coupled with bits and pieces from a multitude of sources, a little Cook, a little Ralph, a little Jim, etc. I never left the yard, like 377 said.

Transferred to another page to fill out a form to request records to be snailed to St. Louis. Filled out and sealed ready to mail. Asked for the complete file. They will call for credit card payment. I do not see what this proves.

QuoteI had a feeling you would respond, Bob, Take the map given to you and put a little circle around the area you think Cooper jumped. I am more than fair with you Bob! and you know it, I have only begun to hit you with hard questions, so put your seat belt on and let's shift gears! #1 actual date the Induction letter was sent I did not keep a copy. If I have to guess, I'd guess March 15, 1968. I drove my 54 Ford to the place. We bought a 1967 Volkswagen, new that I received right after that, so I know it was not 69. Could have been 1967 though because I had a 58 T Bird in between. I remember my birthday as being the date. Best to find the records. #2 actual time you went to Induction (careful) I did not keep a copy. If I had to guess, I'd say on a Saturday morning, maybe 8AM. Traffic was very light, no pedestrians. #3 try to remember your Doctor's first name (very important) He did not use a first name. There is no memory of something that did not exist. I look up current info and I get an EA Thayer and that sounds right. your story starts from this point, so it is very important to validate these time frames. I suspect you could get this information from Selective Services and be more accurate that I can be without any records. I had no interest or reason to memorize that information, it was not important at all to me. It was 44 years ago and I did not TRY to remember it, I had not been hypnotized yet, and was not instructed to remember that. If you think it is that important, let's get copies of the original information and be accurate. I can not be 100% certain without the actual paperwork. My guesses are only that. I think you are being overly dramatic here.

Minor difference in locations. Don't change any facts. You throw out everything on a minor point? You show your adgenda, and it is NOT to investigate any new avenues, it is to disprove everything but what you believe, or maybe even are told to believe. I have a similar position on what I KNOW to be the truth and have my own adgenda, to simply expose what really happened. I will do that, because it is right. You seem to jump at the smallest opportunity to torpedo. That's not an investigation, that's back to Kangaroo Court, just a little more subdued. For a while I thought you were fair. You are another Mattie in sheep's clothing, huh? Everybody knows who runs the show, but you won't even mention it. Kinda obvious, don't you think??? The No. 1 suspect from the beginning. Who do you think you are fooling? Who is there left to fool? The evidence is all compromised. Time and lies and planted evidence have buried everything except my words. I really fail to see any valid point. Nobody else has ever been able to stir up this much dander, because nobody else has ever told the truth other than Jo Weber in the beginning. Simple fact. Simple truth. Obvious. If I weren't right, you'd just ignor me. You consider me a risk for some stupid reason. I can cause no harm. You do that by calling attention to my claims, like 377 says. You flatly REFUSE to investigate the points I make. We get close to exposing something, as soon as you see it fitting together, you throw all the cards on the floor and yell, "Game Over!!" That's not the way to play fair, or to search for truth. You hear a person out and evaluate the total sum of the story. Nothing is perfect, Not even TOG. Case in point, a $75 bottle of Channel #5. ("French whore perfume") That was mean. Feed me, I'll go away.

That is a very bold statement, Jerry. I recall the report was an opening in the clouds. Wrong again? Seeing only one mosquito does not mean that squishing that mosquito will insure you are not bitten. Confusedus. TOG's confession is at odds with the record. We know the records were changed, some by TOG himself. That discredits all of the evidence that COULD be falsified. Ralph is careful not to fabricate very much. I like Ralph. I believe what TOG gave me. I believe McCoy and I accept the basics of what Janet reported, minus her embelishment about Duane's weiner. I'd be surprised if she could even see the stairs.... but maybe... no, it couldn't be!! Not Duane! That's not possible.

THANK YOU Bruce,,,, Bob, anything to add? So, since you didn't know where Janet really lived, how did you come up with your calculations that fit so perfectly (according to you) I typed her phone number into MapQuest and got a location in West Beaverton. South Vancouver is nowhere near the true flight path, right? or wrong? Cook referenced witnesses in the north of Vancouver that reportedly sighted 305. THAT makes sense, as the flight took a loop west around Portland. A Janet in southern Vancouver would NOT be approximately 2 miles from the flight path, would she?? Maybe? I did not scale anything to check what I believed to be more changed evidence. I do not trust anyone's info when it comes to this case. If I don't have it first-hand it is questionable. If Jo took that approach, she'd be a lot more correct. Deductive reasoning should verify any supposition if it is really true. BS rarely fits into a hand carved puzzle hole, and it won't light up. Get her phone number from 1971.

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Ok, even worse now, we have a witness spotting a man on the stairs in west Portland area, correct? With his weiner sticking out, if you remember. No. A plane in the sky on a circle around Portland, not Vancouver. You have no interest in the truth, do you? Nap time.

I believe that is misinformation. I got an address in west Portland. Cook was the reporter, Bruce has access. I think Bruce has a phone number. You can Google phone numbers for location.... But what do I know? Everything gets changed nowadays, clips for pins, KC's for DW's, don't know what's goin' on any more, huh?

Find Tena's Bar. Go upstream to farmland. Quite close, not too far. West side of the river, perhaps. I'm not looking at maps, I'm strictly using logic. If the river ever flowed backwards, we must throw that into the calculations. Then where does the 15-20 mile hike come into play if he was so close to Tena Bar? plus don't forget Janet saw in on the stairs over Vancouver? NO-NO- PORTLAND. Not Vancouver. He supposedly walked 15 miles, so 10-15 upland would be the probable landing site. First point of triangulation would be a oil line pumphouse by power transmission lines that run east and west. A fix from that point and radio fixes in the mountains to either side points to the clear-cut fire-trail for the pipeline I think he jumped in. That's a wide straight line down to the fork in the river and over to Tena's Bar.

Find Tena's Bar. Go upstream to farmland. Quite close, not too far. West side of the river, perhaps. I'm not looking at maps, I'm strictly using logic. If the river ever flowed backwards, we must throw that into the calculations. He supposedly walked 15 miles, so 10-15 upland would be the probable landing site. First point of triangulation would be a oil line pumphouse by power transmission lines that run east and west. A fix from that point and radio fixes in the mountains to either side points to the clear-cut fire-trail for the pipeline I think he jumped in. That's a wide straight line down to the fork in the river and over to Tena's Bar.

someone claiming they saw flares and stairs and people at 10,000 can not be trusted to verify a flight path! not buying it! As stand-alone testimony I would agree, but it is supported by TOG, Ralph, McCoy, Janet, Cook and me. Does anyone know if Portland was looking out at the tower trying to see the plane? seems they would of seen the sky "lit up" Good question. I was told there was no communication from the tower. I do not believe that. I believe it was deleted. 305 was given instructions to stay out of Portland's air space over populated areas. According to the 'official' map they flew right over Portland's east side. THAT did not happen. With the true path, they neatly circled the west of Portland just as purdy as pie. The shift in location was facilitated at no change in air speed by in the change in wind speed from negative to positive, making up the time loss and making ground distance to the new western shift in actual position. The position on paper, which the FBI had was left in the dust 35 miles to the east. That's how TOG got Duane to a search free area right by the river intersections west of Tena's Bar. You HAVE to do a sepia transfer to see what I'm telling you.