BobKnoss

"I just wanted to use the facility to unload.....You have unloaded enough, your "pipeline" has bursted!' You mean 'burst'. No, we haven't even gotten by the 4 year sentence yet. I've still got hundreds of pages to go, and we haven't reached the last number in Pi. 3.1412 don't cut it.

"Cooper requested a bourbon. Does that mean to you he was JACK DANIELS and intended to bail near a brewery or a bar?" FYI: Interesting note. In 1968 Duane weber said he drank an occasional Brandy and did not like the hard stuff. He liked the fruity flavor. Bar whiskey was a part of his "Dan Cooper" persona.

"Well, that sure narrows it down." Well, it is not another epic post of BS like that recent one. I am not responsible for the sugarplums that may dance in your heads from mixing alcohol and Cooperdom. It is a meeting of The Liar's Club here, and I walked into this bar a Pepsi drinker, looking for the washroom. I didn't wish to be the guest speaker, or to draw you a map to the loot. My boots don't fit, my feet hurt, and there is no TP in the can. I can't bum you a cigarette, I don't smoke. What I can tell you is I am not a member of this club, I just wanted to use the facility to unload.

"I like Charlie too, but that was a big mistake." Charlie apparently has problems, but he got publicity... just get my name right.... He will survive if it doesn't kill him.

"The dairy farms I am referring to were NOT on the Columbia. Period. The owners of Tena's Bar had dairy cattle, but not the supposed dairy farms I have referred to." Does not have to be a dairy farm to have milk cows. Most family farms had a little of everything. Vegetable garden, pigs, chickens, milk cows, etc. I grew up with my grandparents farms and took milk in cans to the creamery often. It was not called a dairy farm, but might qualify as the type farm Duane buried the milk can on. I have no idea WHAT river it was on, only that there was a tree on the farm, by a river that Duane buried the can beneath. Because McCoy said so. And I believe Mac 100%.

Yes but like Charlie Sheen, you are not "winning" "95% believe to be my friend McCoy" ?? Ok, since you don't know who your friends really are, what percentage is your story now? Gobelty-Gook, mrshutter. You drinking? You missed the quote. "I...believe..." Need to go back to school. Thought we were doing so well. Charlie won, in my book. It's not my story. It is the truth. I try to tell the truth, but I don't know everything. I can only tell what I know first hand, or what Mac, "Dan" or the other guy told me. Doesn't sound like much, but I believe it 100%. Accuracy? I'll wait and see. Nobody is perfect, but some try.

" One site banned him - he called himself CareTakerAl on that one." If you banned me, it must have been after I left, because I was not aware of it. They closed the forum because of your fights. I was never banned. You are telling stories to fit your needs again. Damn, you're ruthless.

caretakeral was on here too http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4025466;search_string=CareTakerAl;guest=85926435#4025466 And my information is always basically the same, isn't it? Truth is truth, it doesn't change, only one's understanding of what the truth might be. Falsehoods on the other hand, have to change as the truth is uncovered and the falsehoods are exposed. Pluto ain't a planet no more, is it. We learned something new and the story is different. We have new planets now. Duane Weber was Dan Cooper and he told me so, face to face, in 1968. It was the name he was using. THAT will never change. I have a witness who was standing right next to me asking the questions. You all know him. He ain't talkin. I have recently spoken to a man I 95% believe to be my friend McCoy. That changed my position of his body temperature. May be right, may be wrong. You go with your gut feel sometimes. Jo does it all the time.

"First was when you added 'Janet' to the story, when she was only discovered in 2010 by Galen Cook." Ahha! My dear Watson! You fail to grasp the facts of the matter again! McCoy told me the story of Janet way back in the day. Cook just verified and confirmed what Mac reported. Truth ALWAYS wins out over deception.

Two other points were radio fixes on two radios in the cockpit. The lights from the pump station were the start point for the run. The run had been made several times before from higher altitude as practice to verify accuracy. Cooper jumped early and had to walk 15 miles or so along a clearcut right-of-way, fireway, whatever you call it. I wasn't there, just took a debriefing report from McCoy. Cooper found both a shovel and a milk can at his destination and after pocketing a wad of cash, buried the balance in a milk can under a tree by the river, never to be located again. POOF.

Pump station lights are much, much brighter. And on the true flight path. And a point of triangulation for the drop. The Cooper chute was attached with a series of gramma knots in parachute chord.. Easily identifiable. I DO know who owned that chute, but I never saw that particular one. It was not used in practice. And THAT"S the twooth!

"I have several problems with this..." I agree. I understand the farm was abandoned. I doubt Duane would have chosen a can that was rusted out. I believe the money was mildew at least, and probably wet as indicated by the aging of the bills recovered. What moisture content is required to create a bundle to totally submerge? At what point will wet bills float? Is it possible the can stayed buried and the stacks of bills floated? Enough boyancy in the bills might lift the cover along with the floatation potential of the bell effect of the cover? How deep was it buried? Lots of unanswerable questions, but to arrive at a logical sequence of events, one must choose one scenerio or another to afix betwix the obvious. List all the options and place "or' between them. Makes for a more accurate account. Just not as easy reading. If we don't know, we don't know and it is probably not all that important to the bottom line. Money go "POOF." Duane go "POOF." Evidence go "POOF." Everything go "POOF." Except the story. It won't go "POOF." Me either.

"I am fighting a time clock, so will you please get LOST and stay LOST. Why don't you take a trip to WA. State and learn WHY the things you rant on about are NOT justified." I've been there. Surprise. I was given my information long before you entered the picture. I hope I don't rant, just clarify what you claim are facts based on jumbled up notes of conversations with participants, kooks and deceivers. You can't just tell half the story and make sense. You can't protect one person and claim a conspiracy of Government cover-up. “Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive.” You have even confused yourself. I speak the truth with clarity.

"most of them were made out of steel and would rust pretty quick that close to the river underground, I am checking now on how water tight they were, they were only meant to store Moo Moo juice and not designed to be submerged." Cazactly. Depends on how he buried it, too. Assuming he buried it upright, it would be a natural floater, given no holes, as the cover creates a water shed, hence, my theory that the can would have a tendency to pop up like a casket in New Orleans, and float until it came to shallow water and got grounded or somehow made prone, where the cap could possibly be dislodged and removed. Caps did not generally lock on to prevent spillage as I recall. This would lend logic to distribution of monies to be caused by multiple floodings as tipping the can alone would not explain washing out the contents or distributing the contents downstream. Other theories may apply.

Some were stainless, but most were galvanized I think. There were 5 and 7 gallon cans and they all had narrow necks with taper fit caps. I do not know what type Duane used. Only that it was an old can that he found on the farm. My theory would be that the shape of the can would be an excellent bobber until it would be grounded tipped on it's side and moved by wave action or left by receding waters. Only then would it be susceptible to lid removal and subsequent loss of contents. This would be consistent with the facts at hand. Other theories may apply.

I do not know. One story to me was that the area was intentionally flooded for some reason and it changed the course of the river. I don't know if that was BS or the truth. Can't believe what Jo says. Fact of the matter is that the money that was buried was found at Tena's Bar after it was buried upstream in a 'moo-moo can'. The rest is to dig out of the area's history records. Of course, you have to know where that dairy farm was, and again, Jo would be the only current source for that, having been there. Supposedly. If she could remember anything accurately.

Is that right, when I first posted that quote you said, "They were not idiots and they were not "Great Criminals". McCoy was Government and Rataczak led the Pilot's Union fight for pilot safety. I am entirely consistent with the point of each statement," That is correct. I stand by my statements, thank you. McCoy WANTED to be infamous, remember? He touted his role as a criminal plant and helped write the stories and make the training films. You begin to get the picture.

"This case existed before you. It will definately exist after you. That is 100% guaronteed, thing-thingie." And there will be NO contributions whatsoever from said thingie-thingie. Only refuse and clutter and a long list of where not to go. A failed writer and a failed investigator in a fishbowl of unspeakable, foul, coagulants. AND, he gives books to our children at Christmas time. Hope he has supervision.

"Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr? You have GOT to be kidding! Stupid screw-up wanna-be. Couldn’t even walk into town. Had to buy a ride for $15!" KEEP IT IN CONTEXT, PLEASE! This was in reply to the statement that McCoy was one of the 10 most famous criminals of all time. Had to be written by McCoy himself, because McCoy as a top 10 is a joke! I had to give him some shit. Personal jab at a friend. Don't take it at face value.

"Explanations regarding the Tena Bar money would be a lot easier if one OTHER question were answered: True status of the Amboy parachute." The Amboy chute manufacture postdates the Cooper jump and is therefore null and void to the subject at hand. All you need do is absorb, Bleepins. You are a magnet for big wild hairs, er, hares.... Bunny wabbits, like Harvey. Are you really Elwood P. Dowd under cover? Do the wabbit white yo widow stowies as a ghost whitor, Elwood? (:})

"Here's a hint on how many bills come into Treasury for destruction and replacement each DAY........" I toured the Federal Reserve and watched them sort and destroy bills. There was a dump truck full of confetti bills at the end if the day which were then burned. We were able at that time to acquire the confetti bills and used them as filler in molded products we produced, flower pots. I don't think they release it anymore, do they? The Tena Bar bills weren't quite so finely particulated, but were found several feet deep from dredging pumpings.

"I hardly know what to call you." Overly honest would be good. Snitch fits. Whistle Blower is most accurate. Wikki-Leaker is kinda close. Rotten Son-of-a-B Loud Mouth is most frequently used. Rat Fink works. Loose Lips fits. You need to try harder, but pick something you can spell, Private. (:Q)^

"You haven't identified 'Mac'." No, damned right, and I will not. He is fully capable of communicating if and whatever he cares to, by any means he wishes. Cooper was a small fraction of his involvements and one of the least interesting. It got him his lifetime job and for that reason, has merit. I have never met another person with a kinder soul or more willing to help his fellow man. He IS my friend, and always will be, even though my attorney friends say he is NOT my friend. Go figure. You, Matt, are NOT my friend. Why not? Guess.

"- how the hell does anyone think that Duane Weber walked on a Jefferson sentence with a Commutation of Sentence... a 5 time felon - walks right out of prison - UNBELIEVABLE! Absolutely unbelievable!" On the Federal Marshall's badge of Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr., that's how. On names: He wanted to be called Mac. He DID NOT want to be called Dick, Rich, Ricky, Richard, Dicky, etc. Either Mac or McCoy, nothing else. Dan didn't like to be called 'Coop' either. One 'Rat" and he regained his 'Cooper' name. Didn't last long though and we were right back to 'Coop.' Anything else is a lie, Jo. It is not my job to present a court case for you on the Cooper hijacking. I simply intend to inform you of what really happened. If you chose not to believe it, I could care less. If your really WANT to know the truth, then you can accept what I say. You won't find any hard evidence as what little there is is closely guarded by the kingpin. I can't even get anything anymore. I'm a bad person now. I've told you evidentuary information which you chose to ignore or cover up. You don't pursue it. Not my problem. Truth is what truth is. Never changes. Lies do. Cover-up does. A blind man feeling the trunk of an elephant may think he has a life grip on a hairy snake, when in fact he has taken it upon himself to wrestle an elephant. I'm now thinking this Cooper thing is 'Mammoth'. Geoff Gray reported correctly. This story seems to go leap frogging forever, like the next number in Pi. I like pie. You go there. Not my pie. I'm a pacifist, not an Iron Fist.

I thought this was a Government plan? why would they have to hide anything? You also claimed the flight path is way off...."You also need to include the 15 mile shift in real position from faking a crab to the fake winds out of the West" So, did they hike 15 miles back to the river? HE hiked 15 miles, yes. Not THEY. To his destination at the old dairy farm, by a river, yes. That eventually flowed through Tena Bar, yes. That is what I said. That is what McCoy told me. Jo kinda says the same thing, but she will change it now that I announced it. Because I'm a liar and fabricate everything. And write idiotic posts on obscure sites for my personal edification. And pick and choose points of fact that suit my fabricated story in order to make it seem authentic. And I have a gold mine in Oregon that produces 2 oz. per day of gold with only a shovel and a pan. And I'M the liar? I need new shoulder high waders. Take what I say to the bank. It is the most consistent source of facts on this forum, except Nixon's pilot experience. Haven't found that clip yet. I found where he wanted to take lessons. Does that count? Should. Cover stories are fabricated to allow undercover agents to adopt new identities all the time. Mac did it twice. It's a way of life. You are still stuck on Mac 1. You still have Mac 2 to ponder. "Captain Tommy Gunn". Then there is Mac 3 who was all over the World. He's retired now and still providing a helping hand where it's needed. 'A REAL American Hero,' as Stallone put it, as they ended Mac 2. Hell of a story. He's infamous all right! Said he would be. Hi, Mac! Your Regina whatever posts are a poor attempt to frame me for something I am not doing. Why would I continue to do that, knowing the posts could be easily traced. That's STUPID! The ramrod on the subject is probably the perp, that's Bleepins, the fabricator, doing what he does best, write untrue statements about people to change the blame. I invite an honest release of information, but you won't get that from this unscrupulous Crew Member. His sole purpose on this forum is misdirection from the story Jo Weber is ineptly trying to tell. The information I am presenting. The TRUTH of 305. There is no fair play here. It is Nixon Dirty Tricks, smear tactics, and the like. Discuss facts? NOT ON YOUR LIFE. Robert99 is on the right path. Bleepins is full force 24-7 with the bull(shit) dozer trying to alter the face of the Earth. Comical. Pac Man in a sanitation crew suit, push cart and a broom. I like pie.