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Seattle First, formerly American Savings, formerly Tacoma savings and Loan. American Savings and Loan was mortgage on the original warranty deed. Probably a merger or buyout occurred after 1972. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I don't believe you are missing anything. Kenny assumed the mortgage. That's pretty much black and white, no "speculation". However, purely based on the amount of tax and assuming a tax rate of 1% , it appears that the purchase price was somewhere in the neighborhood of 14000. Now if the rate was higher, then it is possible that the price was 7500. (the tax rate was 1 % in 60s and 1.78 percent in 2013). But that will be easily discerned once the documents arrive. Either way the final transfer of the property was contingent upon the satisfying of a mortgage and promissory note, and we know that at least 7500 of that was not paid off until the 90s. Like i said all this will be easily done and over with, one way or the other, once the documentation is posted. What is clear is that there is no documentation as of yet that shows that Kenny paid out large amounts of cash post hi-jacking - to anyone for anything. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

It must be worth something more than that....Were 100% LTV mortgage notes available in 1972? I don't know - Blevins didn't understand that the mortgage he kept saying was for the adjacent lot was actually for the property with the house and it seems that he still doesn't get that in this case the 10.00 + is like a legal placeholder - it has nothing to do with the actual price of the property. Oh well. I've given up trying to tell some people on this forum anything because they are so much damn smarter than anyone else. If you look at the warranty deed tax stamp, that will give you an idea of the price of the land. I do think it was sold for the 14,000-ish that was originally stated based on the amount of taxed paid and based on the fact we can guesstimate the tax rate in effect at the time from other documents. Why did the Grimes sell? Ummm... maybe to double their money, maybe they bought the property to turn it, maybe they bit off more than they could chew. There are several valid reasons for someone to mortgage their property right before selling - especially if they needed cash to make a down payment on another piece of property and they were not expecting a quick close. You would really have to know when they bought the property and did they buy anything else in order to be able to take a guess at their motivation. And it would still be a guess. We also know, if I remember correctly, that the warranty deed referenced a mortgage (the one that was satisfied in the 90s), AND a promissory note. I'm pretty sure that the wording was AND but the documents are on another computer so I will have to waffle on this one for the moment. Like I've said - it's about the data. I plan to make sure that NPR knows that they need to do some serious fact checking if they are going to put this story out there again. As of the present time, there is no documentation of any cash payouts or loans that Gray, Blevins, and Porteus have written as fact. Not saying it's not out there - just that no one has provided it to date. As a point of fact, the exact opposite of this has been determined by documents that we currently have -- and some on this thread are in the process of ordering the rest of the documents. In addition, there is ample documentary evidence that there are other more likely explanations for Christiansen's net worth at the time of his death than anything that was obtained from hijacking a plane. The value was likely from property that he bought in the 60s and sold a couple of years before his death for a huge profit. Like it or not, these were primary aspects of the case for Christiansen and therefore the record needs to be set straight. And I don't need to email Geoffrey Gray with this because I have no doubt that he reads this forum. He's hooked for life like the rest of us. And yes, if GG is a legitimate investigative reporter then he needs to come clean with his sources on what he alleges. This ain't deep throat shit for crying out loud. It's just a 40 year old mystery. No governments are gonna topple and no one's gonna make a million dollars if they find the skeleton clutching the briefcase or otherwise solve the case. 2 weeks then it's history. I believe that anything to do with DB Cooper is infinitely more valuable as long as the case remains unsolved. But that's only an opinion based on my amateur study of the fickle nature of man and my opinion that the mystery of it is the allure for many of us. Gray, Blevins, et al can either prove their stuff or they can't. I don't get the high-level, double secret, can't enter without your decoder ring and knock-knock handshake bs that we have to go through whenever someone thinks they know something that no one else does. Funny creatures, us humans. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

+100000 I second this post. Thanks for posting WSHS!! This is some very interesting stuff. I notice further validation that Ted Mayfield's name popped up rather quickly. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

+100000 I second this post. Thanks for posting WSHS!! but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

deja vu? You know that's french for "been there, done that" Okay, Jo, we've been down this road before but I'll keep breathing with my fingers crossed for you anyway.

Page reference, please. I see a woman who doesn't want to believe her friend Kenny was involved and to protect him would point to her husband. I don't see anything definitive. That is a story that has also had subtle changes to it over several years. Or maybe Bernie was the hijacker.

lol...I hope something is going on cause it's getting like a hamster's wheel in here. I have nothing against Blevins and nothing against Kenny being the hijacker if it was proven - they just lost me over the description. I think that the witnesses, esp Tina was in a good position to get the particulars -- and remember, much of the description from the flight attendant came while the hijacker was still on the plane and I think she would have been able to get a good read on his height in relation to her own. Still i keep an open mind. Which is getting harder now that we find a lot things that were written are either just wrong or they are lies. Kinda like when Margie Geestman was called a liar by RobertmBlevins. Of course, now she must be telling the truth. This saga can get downright confusin. You know, the bad thing about an internet forum is that you can go back and find old posts where people said exactly what they now say they never said. Internet forum = bullshit detector, big time. As for Duane - well you know I'm not convinced about him either, but I keep an open mind about him too. Unfortunately all of you guys lack any real proof, and some of you don't even meet the bare minimum. But I will say, for you, that what you lack in real evidence, you make up for in sheer perseverance. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I can't agree with that, Robert. If Kenny didn't surprisingly come into a bunch of money right around the hijacking, why would he be a suspect? Otherwise, you're no different than any other person who with a personal reason pointing them to a particular candidate. No different than Jo. No different than the Foremans. No different than Marla. Wait...I take that back. I reread "Blast" again and there is nothing to indicate that Marg Geestman or Bernie Geestman know anything about the hijacking. I get that Bernie may have been involved in some shady activities, but nothing ever on the scale of air piracy and kidnapping. Jo, the Foremans and Marla all have confessions or contemporaneous memories actually alleging involvement. You throw a lot of information at us in very long posts, but when you boil it all down, it comes down to what appears to be speculation by a few people. That doesn't mean Kenny wasn't the hijacker, it's just thin. There is an old legal adage: The lawyer with the facts on his side, hammers on the facts. The lawyer with the law on his side, hammers on the law. The lawyer with neither the facts or the law on his side, hammers on the table. The long posts appear to be hammering on the table. You are wasting your breath. Mark. Some folks will cling to the lifeboat until it drags them under - never taking the time to see the buoy that is 10 feet away. And if the facts don't fit the story, then they change the story to fit the facts. "The case against Christiansen has minimally to do with the cash". Bull. That was supposed to be the smoking gun - that and the money and coins he left. And now that those myths are busted it's just another story. The documents that we have already show that he did not pay the cash they said he did, and more proof of this is, I'm sure, on the way by people other than Robert. lol...really...the last person that I would trust to vet it now is the one that got it so wrong to start with. I guess we'll never know whether it was just sloppy work, inadequate knowledge base, or a con job - though I suspect the former. Though it might have been a combination of all three. There has been a great deal of false information from Robert over the years about Christiansen, but when called on it, he always says that part was irrelevant. Go figure. No...all the logic and proof won't be good enough because when people are highly vested in something it is very hard to give it up. Even when we know - and they know - they are wrong about some of the stuff. Like you said - doesn't mean Kenny wasn't the hijacker, but all the stuff they have to keep throwing out is making what's left pretty thin. lol...Like I said before - they should have stuck with Kenny's resemblance to the composite. I've always said he is a great match as long as you don't read the fine print in the description. Crap like this happens when you try to get too fancy.

Yes, Blevins said Hal Williams - he even chided you about that being Copper 101. Unfortunately, he was incorrect about that. According to articles from the day and book references, the ticket agent was Dennis Lysne. Hal Williams was the gate agent, aka the ticket taker upper. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Just go to Amazon and search out D.B. Cooper. They have all the books available on the case listed in one spot when you search out that term under 'Books'. My recommendations are, in this order: 1) Skyjack - by Geoffrey Gray. 2) D.B. Cooper - Dead or Alive? by Richard Tosaw. 3) Norjack - The Investigation of D.B. Cooper by Ralph Himmelsbach. There's this other book that puts forward the idea that Cooper might have been an actual employee of the airline, but you can get that one free just by contacting the author. I had another poster recommend Skyjack to me in a pm. I'll think I'll start there. I'm not really interested in possible suspects at this time. I need to get basic case facts down first. But if you want to send me a copy, I'll eventually get to it. Thanks. Other Cooper resources. http://n467us.com/ http://vault.fbi.gov/D-B-Cooper%20 Oops beat me to it, Vicki. I was just going to suggest Sluggo's site as well. To me, that is still probably the best Cooper site on the internet. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Robert: Read every word carefully so you will fully understand what I am posting. I DID NOT say that Robin Powell got the adjoining lot. I DID NOT say that you said that Robin Powell got the adjoining lot. WHAT I SAID was...the warranty deed that you, Robertmblevins, posted and put in your report and on your website, the one that you said was the deed for the adjoining lot purchased by Kenny for 10.00 (that's what you said before you changed it to 10.00 and other consideration) IS NOT FOR THE ADJOINING LOT. The deed that you posted in your pdf document is for the lot with the house on it - the same property that was later willed to Robin Powell. Repeat after me...the warranty deed that I, RobertmBlevins, posted, was for the lot with the house that was later willed to Robin Powell. The deed was --NOT-- NOT--- NOT for the adjoining lot that was willed to Kenneth Brian McWilliams. Now to address your other points...the reason that you should provide accurate information is because you wrote a book that has misleading and/or false information. This is not about Margie or Bernie or anyone else that told you stuff about Kenny. This is about the fact that you all wrote that you could prove that Kenny paid cash for a lot of stuff after the hijacking, including the house and property. You said this was based on REAL, VERIFIABLE DOCUMENTATION. The point of paying cash was used, by you, as further "evidence" to make you, Robertmblevins, 98% sure that Kenny was the hijacker. I agree Geoff Gray should not have suggested that KC paid out a lot of cash either if he can't back it up. But that does not relieve you from having accurate documentation to back up YOUR claims in your book. I don't care if you go to Tacoma or not. Or who you have look at whatever you have. All I was telling you is that if you want to try and prove anything about KC (or not), all of the real estate documentation is not a state secret. It is public record probably at the courthouse. In other words, Kenny might remain a mystery but the property documents don't need to. Unless you purposefully did not want to fully vet your claims, I'm surprised that you guys haven't already checked this out. Believe it or not, this isn't about you or whether or not someone believes that KC is the hijacker. This is about the DATA. You made claims about Kenny Christiansen. Now maybe those claims about spending a lot of cash are true. So if you uncover real documentation that proves that KC was throwing around cash after the hijacking then good for you. But so far the documentation that you have posted shows the exact opposite of paying cash since the deed for the house and property that you posted is subject to a mortgage and promissory note that Kenny will have to pay. But let's be clear.... it is what it is. Having Benjamin Franklin read it is not going to change what it is, nor will your theories about it. And until you can provide documentation that proves your claims - it's just another myth. No better or more believable than somebody saying his daddy had a safe deposit box in Canada with all the money in it. Or threw it off a bridge in a paper bag. And when, on top of this, you have the gall to ask others for proof of what they present, all I can say is tis truly mind-boggling. Smokin99 but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Precisely what did you order? Just a copy of the last transactions or did you get a history on the property? The County records maintain all of the transactions on a piece of property - HOW the hell do YOU think real estate transactions occur. The history of every track of land is traced for many many yrs - this is required in order to provide TITLE INSURANCE. No one want to by a piece of property without Title Insurance. If they do they are damn fools...in todays time. Title Insurance is REQUIRED to get a loan or mortgage. Now if someone is fool hardy enough to pay cash for a piece of real estate without a TITLE search they need to have their heads examined. Cases have been found in Title searches on land that rights to certain aspects of the property are owned by an oil company for example. Now if you found oil in your back yard - you would want to own those rights - yes or no? In the good ole days a cash transaction and hand shake was all that was usually needed. NOT today. You can go to the County Records and go into the archives yourself. These are PUBLIC records! I expect the records there go back at least 100 yrs. Most individual depend on the TITLE companies to do this. Back in the day there were NO title companies and one could buy a small farm and it was there. Now MOST STATES mandate the mineral rights belong to who ever purchased them. Some states allow the mineral rights to past with the transaction and others are SUBJECT TO. Precisely. The real estate documents are public records and can be found wherever Pierce County houses property records. On-line records are available but they only go back so far. As you can attest, Jo, there can be NUMEROUS documents associated with real estate transactions - warranty deeds, trust deeds, quitclaim deeds, title documents, survey documents, contracts, promissory notes, etc. Also one transaction can easily go several months from offer to inspection to survey to final closing. Especially if there is an existing mortgage or new mortgage involved. As we know from the warranty deed on KC's house and property, it was subject to an American Savings and Loan mortgage and promissory note. We just can't tell from the deed whether that is an existing mortgage or a new one. But you are definitely correct - all these records can be obtained from the county. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I said I wasn't a real estate expert. I didn't say I couldn't read...

Even simpler version. You haven't proven any of the above with documentation. And not only that - Some of us have provided documentation that proves the above is not entirely true. Yet you keep trying to push the myth. Sorry, but saying something a million times does not make it true. Just keeping it real. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Thank you.. if you slide the top of the R to the bottom of the v it will make a Y Then slide the E off the top of the N and now you can see KENNEY... now you can say GC 148 you've done it.. BTW Curtis Eng said that on 6-17-2013.... after I discovered the handwriting matches on 6-13-2013. This is why I was 100% sure when I was on my way to the FBI. Case solved 6-13-2013 Sigh...I knew what you were trying to do....and I still say it is a stretch. But hey - why are you trying to convince us? Call a news conference and tell them what you found and what eng and Carr said, and how the DNA is a match. And that you solved the case. Tell em u want equal time :) And, I don't know, maybe if you guys quit changing your story after someone points out the contradictions, you would have more credibility? But that's just a guess on my part. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

lol....GC, I hope you have some vacation time coming up. I don't know..I think you might be stretching.......Why not just send it to a paper in KENNEbunkport, ME or KENNEsaw, GA. or any city in KENtucky. lol...I'm thinking all the Kenny folks should have just stuck with the composite and quit while you're ahead. Oh well - whatever makes the boat float. Still waiting on my free book.

lol....GC, I hope you have some vacation time coming up. I don't know..I think you might be stretching.......Why not just send it to a paper in KENNEbunkport, ME or KENNEsaw, GA. or any city in KENtucky. lol...I'm thinking all the Kenny folks should have just stuck with the composite and quit while you're ahead. Oh well - whatever makes the boat float. Still waiting on my free book.

So basically, at this point, it appears that there is no documented evidence (as in tangible evidence, not someone's "testimony" 40 years later) proving that Kenny paid cash for the property or gave anyone a loan. And in fact there is a promissory note for part of the property. Looking like some somebodies just jumped the gun. But really, no one wants to hear wild speculation or made up theories about why someone signs a promissory note. Occam says it's cause he doesn't have the money to pay all of it upfront. This is amazing. Gray, Porteus, and Blevins all said that Kenny paid cash for the property. Blevins goes on to say that Kenny loaned Geestman's sister 5000, They even said that they had documentation proving all of this. But apparently there is at least one promissory note saying the opposite, the deeds do not prove that he paid cash (quite the opposite, actually), and, as far as we know, there is no corroborative documentation of the loan. Few statements, not all of the tax records, no receipts. One has to wonder what they were going on to make their claims of all this cash paid out. LOL..... I don't know -- I'm thinking there might not be a whole lot of confidence in someone investigating deeds and promissory notes that got it so wrong the first time. Just saying. And why would you need Bernie Geestman's family's opinion of the documents? The paperwork should stand on its own. So, hopefully the documents that are out there will be published at some point. I guess I could order them from the county or try the LDS route, but I don't know if I care enough to spend the time and money. Barring someone coming up with the documentation, I'm thinking that we've uncovered yet another myth. Cause really - think about it - if you take away the wild spending spree AND you have a valid reason for the amount of the estate that Occam says probably has more to do with the sale of real estate purchased in 1961 than a hijacking, you're left with a 5'8'' bald disgruntled NWA employee and a lot of anecdotal 40 year old stories about guess who didn't come to dinner.

Actually, I've had my shots. But here again is where you miss the whole point. Right now, the report, as written, is simply not completely accurate. I've pointed out various discrepancies and provided explanation of same. No amount of secret wondering on anyone's part makes it any different. Let the record speak for itself, but let it be accurate. And you're correct - it doesn't change conclusions or competing theories as to how he got the money, or whether he was Dan Cooper....and why should it? That's what honest debate is for. But at the very least the underlying premise that has been the cornerstone of the KC is DB theory, such as where his estate came from and whether KC paid out cash, should be honest and accurate. Otherwise, Jo should just say that Duane was a jumpmaster and be done with it - since the truth and verification of it no longer matters. You know, it won't bother me if you turn up tomorrow with the proof that was requested - other than wondering why it took so long and why you made such a big deal out of producing it. And it certainly doesn't seem to bother you when you demand proof from others. So if I had a secret wondering I guess it would be - why does someone wanting accuracy and truth in the record of KC bother you so much? It is what it is. Right or wrong, good or bad - the historical paper trail should speak for itself. Woof woof And on a completely and totally off the subject of DB Cooper rant...WTF..#&*@#)&*..Braves...*&*&*#$(&boohoo@$@$%I'd like to chop that pitcher's beard off at his nose$#$@$)* Okay I feel better now. Crap. I guess I'll have to be content with the fact that we did have a hell of season. Two things I always say about my Braves...there's no such thing as a big lead...and there's always next year. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Thanks for the reminder. I had forgotten about the reading room. I love LDS for all of the work they have done on family histories. I need to read up on the history behind the LDS genealogy projects but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Document doesn't say he SOLD it for ten dollars. Says he BOUGHT it for ten dollars and 'other considerations'. That was the lot adjoining the house. And I never considered you a Cooper Nut. Document attached. Side Note: Helen Jones testified that the same people who sold Kenny the adjoining lot were also the same people who sold him the house. As you know, I am waiting for the comparison documents from either/both Geoff Gray and Skipp Porteous on the original house sale. I will compare what they submit to what I have now. Will post when they arrive. Really though...this house-for-cash question has been going since 2007, and forwarded originally by Geoff Gray, both in his book and in his NYM article. And it's been six years before anyone here thinks to ask him HOW he knows? Now they want ME to provide? It's laughable. But I will do it anyway, since all the serious Cooper investigators around here seem to have forgotten one of the main points that made Christiansen a suspect in the first place...and still haven't tried asking the original source. Just to be clear - I never once said that anyone "made" anything up. What's laughable is that someone wrote a book stating many things as fact and actually has no clue whether what he wrote is true or not. And won't just say that and be done with it. Blevins says that he will compare what they send to what he has now. LOL.. Sorry - but if he had it he would have posted it. How many times have we heard Blevins call someone out wanting proof of things they write, and then when someone does this to him, he accuses them of pathetic attempts to get info, and whining and picking on him. And brings up how we are all Cooperland nuts. Come on.. Give me a fa-rick-in break. As for why this hasn't been questioned before. It actually has - on this forum. A couple of times even. But it was never answered and I guess part of the reason I did not pursue is how much time do you spend on someone that doesn't meet some of the basic physical charateristics? I don't know. I guess I'll have to say I just wasn't paying attention. Also - I had no reason to question it - I certainly question conclusions made from documents but I wouldn't think that I should have to question whether the documents that a book uses for its primary premise even exist. Far from giving Blevins a hard time, I was more than willing to give him the benefit of that doubt that he had the proof that he references. So that's how it was.... until I found out that the premise that Kenny had all this money in his bank accounts with no assets other than the Buckley Road property was false and misleading. - for whatever reason - whether sloppy research, inadequate knowledge or intentional mislead. The rest of the story: The whole reason that this came up now is because I was looking around for DB stuff and found out about the property that KC bought in 1961 and sold in 92. I was astounded that this had never been acknowledged by anyone as being of consequence. Everything was always about the cash and coins, etc he had at his death with oblique references made to property and timber land that was bought AFTER the hijacking (oh yeah, and said reference included that the land sold was probably bought with money from the hijacking). Now we know that is so much bs. So I decided to look at Blevins report and there I saw the so-called adjoining property deed that Blevins says was bought for $10.00. Blevins had also made posts about this in the past, but I assumed that he knew what he was talking about - it is possible to have a quit claim for 10.00 or for love and affection, etc. I had no idea that he was basing this on the amount written on the warranty deed. So when I bring it up that this is likely inaccurate based on the tax stamp and that the $10.00 is just a "stand-in" for the real amount. (you can generally get an idea of the amount by looking at the tax stamp), all of a sudden it's like attack the questioner. So I think - jeez - maybe he just didn't know how to read the property deed. Maybe this whole KC thing paying cash is based on someone mis-reading the documents. WHen I bring this up Blevins gets defensive and tries to re-route the conversation and make me out to be the bad guy instead of just saying - I don't know. For pity's sake - he wrote the book. He lives in the general area - This stuff is public record - take a trip to the courthouse or wherever they keep archived property records and check on something you are writing about. Honestly I think he just doesn't know. No shame in that. Some folks on here just tend to take credit for knowing more than they do. Maybe just get caught up in the telling. Or maybe that's human nature. We all do it at times. Whatever - regardless - if you're going to write a book and tout all this stuff as gospel and that all this is based on documentation that you own (need I show you the posts) -- then you should be able to produce the goods. Otherwise just say that you don't know and you were just going on what others told you. There's no shame in that but you should acknowledge this is hearsay rather than writing as if you have seen the documents. JUST ONE MORE THING...as a necessary clarification of the data. The deed that he has attached that he says is the adjoining lot is not the adjoining lot anyway. The deed posted is the initial deed for the property that was later deeded to Robin Powell, on Kenny's death. And, the initial deed states that the sale is subject to a mortgage or promissory note being paid by Kenny Christiansen. And yes, further evidence of this is the amount on the tax stamp that would correspond to sales price of approx 14,000. So again I ask - has anyone seen the proof that KC paid off this mortgage with cash? There should be a record of this also at the courthouse. Note: Another reason this thing has been so difficult to follow. Geoff Gray says 14000, and that the adjoining property costs another 1500. Blevins puts down the sale of the inital property at 16500 and the adjoining property at 10.00. Which just further confuses the issue since the deed posted didn't jive with the information. I'm done with the Blevins part of this. I just wanted to set the record straight on the data. Like I said I want this to be about the data and not the person. Sometimes, I'll admit, it's hard to separate the two. eta (as if this isn't long enough already Yes, if Geoff Gray doesn't have proof then he shoudn't be writing it as a given either. -- But then he's also not the one posting all of this stuff on this forum. Which is where we discuss this stuff. And - I'm also not saying the proof that Kenny paid out a lot of cash in 71, 72 isn't out there - it may very well be - just that it hasn't been produced to my knowledge. And now that there are questions, seems like there is no rational reason not to produce it esp since it was a major premise of why KC was even considered in the first place. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

GC, The property from 1961 is in Bonney Lake, but it is not 18406 Old Buckley Hwy. This was at least three lots of undeveloped land that he held on to for years and sold in 1992 for a large profit. This could easily account for the money in his bank accounts at his death. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

No problem and btw - It's an improvement. I can read it now without getting heart palpitations. I'm glad you took no offense because none was intended. I will accept your offer of a free copy. I'll have to be honest though, I started out thinking you might actually be on to something -- not necessarilly about KC cause there are other problems with him. But if nothing else it was a new angle to talk about --but I just can't make the handwriting match with anyone. Of course I can't be sure that any handwriting I found even belonged to the known candidates, so it's kind of a moot point.

Hmm..okay if it's a trick - none can move by themselves?? Even if not a trick none can move in multiple directions on the same turn. Like a Queen can't be moved up then go diagonal, right? So I say none. So what's the answer? Edited to add - My two Yes/no questions were: Do you have any copies of the ticket agent's handwriting? And, to your knowledge, have they tested for dna on the envelopes? but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill